INTO THE DEEP (COMPLETE - Mafia Win !!)

[TX AG 90]

I'm willing to join the pershy lynch now. I was on the fence earlier, although as my response to BuJ pointed out, I was OK with the lynch outcome if it happened. But his recent comments about Tobi really made me suspicious, because Tobikera is not at all one of the realistic lynch targets for today, and pershy going after him screams to me some combination of OMGUS and desperately trying to find something to talk about to deflect from his own behavior.

Also, the wiretapper claim is extremely suspicious indeed. That's a scum role. Town have cops.

Out of deference to strike and anyone else who wants to wait until later tonight, I'll hold off the actual vote.

But didn't he backtrack on Tobi?

[strike wolf]

I still want to look at a couple things real quick but I plan on voting Pershy and going ahead with the lynch. unvote

You know how this sounds to me... 10 hours left and Pershy at L-1 and you unvotes him and that's the only wagon which can be completed and only which can give some information. But you unvote like you're asking for someone to vote for Pershy and you will hammer because you've already set an action in place. FOS

Isn't he at L-2? Or was before Mets vote? My vote wasn't on Pershy and hasn't been since I replaced into the game.

You could at least go over the argument about me not suggesting Pershy's action be dictated onto one person. Though I find that unreasonable as we'd still have to trust that person to be a truthful person and frankly still doesn't prove Pershy's alignment.

Honestly, it probably doesn't matter much. I don't have a specific direction for extending the day other than reading back through a couple things (So far has not borne fruit) and giving myself a moment to kill things over from a different angle before night.

[dakky21]

Now, dakky21. *sigh* Just... why?

I also want to go on the record as stating that I don't see dakky as scummy today. I think he's been all over the place, to be sure, but it really reads to me as town play from him. He's honestly trying to generate cases and spark discussion, and he's been prodding people to go on the record about what they're doing and why, which is solid town behavior.

Really, are you serious?

I am trying to make more discussion, that is true. But I don't need your support. You sound to me like you're scum defending me because you now know you can't kill me so "lets get someone who will trust me" is going on. I'm starting to believe chap/mets was actually a good case.. I thought that one was meta based but there might be something.

fpd ... @sw he was L-2 and got to L-1 but you unvoted him, count votes. Anyway it doesn't matter... i'm drunk as hell, see you in a few days after Night !

[dakky21]

and as I said don't spend night actions on me as you won't find me

[strike wolf]

Ya still didn't read my post. "My vote wasn't on Pershy and hasn't been since I replaced into the game."

[Metsfanmax]

Now, dakky21. *sigh* Just... why?

I also want to go on the record as stating that I don't see dakky as scummy today. I think he's been all over the place, to be sure, but it really reads to me as town play from him. He's honestly trying to generate cases and spark discussion, and he's been prodding people to go on the record about what they're doing and why, which is solid town behavior.

Really, are you serious?

I am trying to make more discussion, that is true. But I don't need your support. You sound to me like you're scum defending me because you now know you can't kill me so "lets get someone who will trust me" is going on.

OK. Then that was the last time I ever publicly voice a town read on you.

[Sirius Kase]

Seriously guys?

Yes, I'm playing quite seriously. This seems like a game I'd enjoy very much if or whenever I figure it out. Then maybe I'll be more comfortable joking around.

Let me just add that this is a PROVABLE role! Not some ol BS scum can make up.
You don’t believe me? I’ll tell your your night action result!

you already know my night action? That sounds like a clue. Hopefully someone here knows, might take me awhile to research it myself.

FOS Sirius btw

Finger of Suspicion. Acronyms are easier. I'm not going to tell you to stop, but making me go to other pages just to understand you affects my attitude towards you. I'm trying to remain unbiased, for the good of the town.

Seriously I probably won’t make it to D2 so check out Bujabber, Sirius and possibly Tobi if I don’t on D2. I would put them on my suspect list at the moment judging recent events.

If I start attracting votes, I'll deal with it then. I don't expect my grace period to last much longer. I will check out that suspect list. I'll even check out myself, as objectively as possible, to see if I'd vote for someone who writes like me.

I hope I don't need a grace period. But, I certainly appreciate the people who write clearly, give understandable explanations, and otherwise make it easy. I am trying not to let that influence my vote, since being nice and being scummy do not necessarily correlate.

[Sirius Kase]

It's slow around here. I'll go try to research Pershy's role, he might live if he agrees to Tobi's plan, and also Dakky's, see if I can find out where he'll be hiding tonight. He said he could protect himself, so I guess he will. The only way to figure him out might be by lynching him. Why is he setting himself up for that?

[Ragian]

Actually I’ve been mulling it over some more. Of the votes on me I think tobi and Dakk are misguided town.
Tobi started the train pretty much. I don’t think he’s scum.

OK, pershy, at least you claimed. And, as you say, it's provable.
So here's the deal. I'll remove my vote, and you attach to me tonight.
Tomorrow (D2) you tell me what I did on N1. IF you are correct, then I'll accept that you are town, AND
you will know that I am town as well. Of course, if the scum targets either of us, it probably won't work.
Until then, IGMEOY.

UNVOTE

And if scum blocks him, buses him, or something elses him? What then? Do you then lynch Pershy?

I don't know what to make of Pershy's role, but I do think we need a lynch, and I have no issue being the hammer with whatever extra scrutiny that might add. A fair few people have disappeared close to closing time. That's never good. Despite Pershy's claim, I'll maintain that he has acted un-Pershylike in this game. I don't know what claim would have swayed me if any. It still feels...off...

vote Pershy

Hopefully, this is the hammer before closing time.

[ZaBeast]

How much time is left? I believe with one more vote, that's it, people won't be able to retract their vote. Or is that only the case if the moderator is on?
So, one more vote and it might be over, so no more votes if we think anyone has something to say.

Lynching requires a majority of the town vote. Once the majority has been reached, any unvotes will not be counted.
The majority is half the player's alive +1.

Read back the rules

Im fucking confused and I'm at work (RAGIAN) and wont be home for 7 hours, but
I rid want to say before i forget that i am convinced there is an sk in the game.

Is it role-related information or stuff you can discuss about?

i think we should give him time to respond.

sorry for writing in the quote above and posting again.I didn't see what i had wrote after the first one.

Hi Mr. "I post more than others so I must be town"

@ZB. After a third reading of your posts, I don't really follow them. I realized on second reading that I think it was against me. Can you restate?

About the chaps & mets issue: I like the case on chaps, not so much the one on mets. He seemed pretty on the fence about jfm after his soft claim, which to me is playing it on both sides, so he could point out he didn't wanted jfm dead while still throwing shade at him (see below), role-fished (but I think others on the jfm wagon have engaged in worse role fishing, see below), and His vote on mets looked more like an OMGUS than an actual argument.

jfm's claim came out of nowhere, IMO. It seems REALLY fishy to me. That being said, I'm not sure if I believe him, but I think if someone is claiming that straight off, we should give them the benefit of the doubt, not lynch him. No one is counterclaiming, so I would believe him at this point.

Only part about you. Basically I didn't like how you said jfm is scummy for his soft-claim but should be given a pass. You seemed to position yourself so you could say you pointed out he was scummy or you said you didn't want to vote him, depending on how he flipped. Role-fishing allegations and OMGUS vote against Mets have already been covered by others so I won't restate. You were not the scummiest on my list but I thought you were the most likely lynch candidate at that point which is why I voted you.

[ZaBeast]

This is utter madness!
I go into a meeting for a few hours and come out to see Pershy is at L-2!!
I really don’t think pershy has said anything that warrants this and for those that say they want a claim is just hypocritical after I and others were called out for doing the same to jfm!

Maybe don't skim?

arguments taken from those posts

To me, the scummiest thing that has happened in the entire D1 was pershy coming off of 5 days hiatus and immediately voting for jfm10, bringing him to L-1 (at that time). That's not the way pershy usually plays. He hems and haws, patting people on the back, portrays himself as seeing all sides of the issue at hand, playing Mr. Understanding and Accepetance, AND THEN, even after building a case against someone, WILL NOT VOTE. He'll only vote when he acts like everyone else has convinced him to do so. He didn't do that here. He came back from vacation and immediately voted for jfm10, not just joining the wagon, but taking him to L-1 (pardon the repetition). I tell you, it's atypical pershyness.

I take issue with Tobi, pershy, blacky and SK's opportunistic bandwagonning and role-fishing.
[...]

no, I don't think he has

vote jfm

I think we will get an extension of 48 hours but we need a claim and a lynch. If your claim is sufficiently good jfm then we might still have time to pressure chaps but probably not.

We need a lynch either way on D1 for information.
sorry nothing personal from me either.

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But that's just based on a gut feeling. I suppose the likely candidates based on current votes to get any traction are chapcrap or mets or possibly myself according to what a few people have said. I personally don't find chapcrap scummy.
But there probably isn't time unless the mod grants another couple of days I guess. I feel we have had a fairly productive D1 at least and we have got one claim which cleared jfm in my eyes at least for now. Seems a fitting ability for this game - especially the detail of the ability starting weak and getting stronger. Seemed legit to me.

pershy seemingly not understanding that every role that can target people becomes more useful as the game progresses. As time goes by you have a smaller pool of people to investigate/kill/jail/... and a better idea who to target. I mean, there's a reason why vigilantes should wait and not kill on the 1st phase they're able to. For someone who said he played mafia 8 years that's pretty weird to see that part as a confirmation the role is legit. It is the least useful part of jfm's claim, as BuJ already stated.

..and Bujaber just came onto my radar.

A fine OMGUS if you ask me, even if there wasn't a vote associated with it.
I also liked BuJ case about pershy.

Pretty sure this is a scum reaction.

Feels the need to state that he believes the claim 4 times. Really? 4 times just in case someone missed the first 3 times he said it in the same page.

And the part that he "especially" believes is basically the least alignment indicative part of the whole thing. Mafia can do math. In fact it's one of the easiest ways to look legit. Use a probability argument.

There is like 0 reason to believe him after the full claim if you didn't believe him after the soft claim.
1. Not everyone has had a chance to counter claim. He didn't even post the actual name.
2. There's nothing about that description that makes it a town-only role.
3. Given that he claimed a protective earlier, this wasn't that big of a reveal. Nothing very revealing.

So all in all this looks like scum that was just waiting for a reason to 'believe' him.

@Tobi/pershy Your plan is a terrible one. To prove your role, you'd disclose the result another player got (which is basically outing his role, I assume you'd get something like "(player Y/his target) has been protected/investigated as .../role-blocked"). It might somewhat prove your role if you could tell us who your target visited (but nothing tells you the wording of the PM you'll receive will give that information), but, as mets pointed out, it wouldn't necessarily mean you're town aligned. If somebody belives he is scum, he should vote to lynch him, if someone doesn't believe he is scum, he should have never voted him, because there is no confirming that role apart from a cop claim.
Also, as rage pointed out, someone could interfere with his action with/without him knowing.

Actually I’ve been mulling it over some more. Of the votes on me I think tobi and Dakk are misguided town.
Tobi started the train pretty much. I don’t think he’s scum.

Quite a change of stance from the vote you put on him just the previous page

It seems like deja vu all over again. Last time I was in a position to put someone to L-1, I backed out and move my vote first to Pershy and then to darin. I didn't think it was fair to leave my vote on someone who just didn't seem scummy enough. I don't think it's wise to get any closer to a lynch when all we wanted was an extension. Pershy woke up so I was uncomfortable voting for him, but darin died at the hands of the moderator.

The extension WAS to get time to get a lynch. When you get someone to claim, you basically have to ask yourself "is he scummy enough to risk losing that role"? That's mostly why jfm was given a pass, because doc is a pretty valuable role, but I'd be surprised if the topic doesn't come back on later days as he hasn't been cleared.

[BuJaber]

@Pershy - how am I opportunistic?

I was against the jfm wagon since the start despite it being very popular, I was voting mets who had 4 votes but moved to someone with only 1 vote on them at the time (you). I built a case against you instead of just sheeping some existing reasons, and rallied votes against you despite not knowing if it's going to happen or not. I mentioned those whose posted suggested they could be swayed and encouraged them to vote you.

Where's my opportunism other than you wanting to throw a buzzword at me because I am scumreading you?

[Sirius Kase]

Hopefully, this is the hammer before closing time.

Has anyone counted lately? I get that Ragian brought it back to L-1. Is so, don't we need another?

[strike wolf]

I think Rage hammered. Dakky miscounted because he thought my vote was on pershy and gave the impression that I had brought him back down to L-3 when I unvoted Chap but in reality Mets brought him to L-1. To be sure,

Vote Pershy

[Sirius Kase]

[quote]Deadline for Day 1 will now be CC Time: 2019-03-12 06:59:59
Day 1 will end, unless there is a lynch prior to the deadline.[/unquote]

Thanks, I feel better. So, no more unvotes? Good nite, all

[Sirius Kase]

I'm glad we won't have Tobi swimming aruond with a leech sucking on him. I never could figure out how that proved anything. They could both be scum. We'll find out about Pershy soon enough.

[strike wolf]

Despite his willingness to be sucked upon, Tob I is actually someone I'm interested in looking into tomorrow if Pershy flips town. A lot of flavor talk and didn't exactly like ho2 he more or less admitted to voting JFM because he was closest to claim territory.

[pershy]

cheers guys.
Enjoy the rest of the game. It’s been a pleasure.

[Metsfanmax]

I forgot to unvote chap, I think.

unvote
vote pershy

[Tobikera]

To me, the scummiest thing that has happened in the entire D1 was pershy coming off of 5 days hiatus and immediately voting for jfm10, bringing him to L-1 (at that time). That's not the way pershy usually plays. He hems and haws, patting people on the back, portrays himself as seeing all sides of the issue at hand, playing Mr. Understanding and Accepetance, AND THEN, even after building a case against someone, WILL NOT VOTE. He'll only vote when he acts like everyone else has convinced him to do so. He didn't do that here. He came back from vacation and immediately voted for jfm10, not just joining the wagon, but taking him to L-1 (pardon the repetition). I tell you, it's atypical pershyness.

@Tobi/pershy Your plan is a terrible one. To prove your role, you'd disclose the result another player got (which is basically outing his role, I assume you'd get something like "(player Y/his target) has been protected/investigated as .../role-blocked"). It might somewhat prove your role if you could tell us who your target visited (but nothing tells you the wording of the PM you'll receive will give that information), but, as mets pointed out, it wouldn't necessarily mean you're town aligned. If somebody belives he is scum, he should vote to lynch him, if someone doesn't believe he is scum, he should have never voted him, because there is no confirming that role apart from a cop claim.
Also, as rage pointed out, someone could interfere with his action with/without him knowing.

@ZaBeast: You are absolutely right and I was wrong to offer my plan...too many things could go wrong. I was influenced by Pershy's sudden change of heart about me, I guess. I still stand by what I said initially (see above) as supported by Ragian's insight. Following through on my offer probably wouldn't have revealed someone else's role, give me some credit, but it would have revealed my role, which could ultimately hurt town. So, I started it, and if it is already ended, then I will piss on his grave.

VOTE PERSHY

Now where have the mods been during all of this? Not very attentive to keeping us up to date with the VC.

[Razorvich]

Now where have the mods been during all of this? Not very attentive to keeping us up to date with the VC.

The mods were logging in on their phone at work between forklift action unloading 40 pallets of arriving stock, ordering another $50000 worth for the mid week and printing over 100 special tickets for tomorrow, and all the time wishing it was their day off !!

Sorry everyone, I may seem online but cannot contribute, or reply to pms until I get home, can just read during office hours (on the sly of course)

THATS A BIGTIME LYNCH... and just in time !!


Scene coming in an hour or so.. I need beer

[Sirius Kase]

Enjoy that beer. You deserve it! We managed to get 10 people in that pile up. Might take awhile to sort them all at.

[Razorvich]

Town folk gather to investigate the death of their beloved Sailfish.

Fingers are pointed at some, others rant with conspiracy theories.

Attention swings to the one reef dweller that can go about investigating undetected.

"HE MUST KNOW SOMETHING !!"
"WHO ARE YOU PROTECTING?"
"ARE THEY PAYING YOU IN FRESH BLOOD?"
"CORRUPTION !!"
"WE WANT ANSWERS !!"

pershy claims his innocence, "I know nothing, I have incorruptible standards"

The town has OVERWHELMINGLY pointed the finger at the one creature that "should have known" what happened to the Sailfish.
The interrogation continues, but then goes too far, his limp body now rests in the depths below.

town wiretapper has been lynched

Title: Town Wiretapper

Common Species Name: Leech
Night Action Role: Detective
Favorite Food: Anything bloody

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The sun begins to set... Shadows again appear
Your journeys across the top of the reef is fought with danger... not only from above but from below as well

The reef dwellers are concerned, it is dark and all know that the reef is no longer safe.

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It is now NIGHT 1

Send in your night actions by replying to your role PMs.

You also have the option to waive your night action and go for your favorite food .. (may random.org be your friend)
Remain undiscovered and your night actions will succeed... become detected, and all hell may break loose

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NOTE TO THE NEW GUYS
During night time there will be no relevant posts in this thread until the day results are released, and a Day 2 Scene is posted.

Good luck to all those who choose to travel

[pershy]

Argh, you lynched me. But I have faith in you town. Read carefully and avenge my death.
Well payed scum! You have won this battle but not the war, you’re going down.
GO TOWN!!!
Adieu and hf all

[chapcrap]

Is there a night deadline?