Conquer Club

Bones2484 wrote:Why give them the satisfaction?

They are claiming a victory when they have merely changed two maps and some terms. Big fuckin' deal.

That's what the German's said when the Nazis took over...

Boss_oss_ss wrote:

InsomniaRed wrote:

Boss_oss_ss wrote:I think we should all just go on strike-- Not play any games until they sort out these maps!

That is a bit extreme, especially for this community. It wouldn't work, is my opinion.

Well how else are we gunna get our veiws across, they woint do anything about it as much as we plead.

They are working on it. Let it go and give them a few days to sort things out.

Boss_oss_ss wrote:

InsomniaRed wrote:

Boss_oss_ss wrote:I think we should all just go on strike-- Not play any games until they sort out these maps!

That is a bit extreme, especially for this community. It wouldn't work, is my opinion.

Well how else are we gunna get our veiws across, they woint do anything about it as much as we plead.

strike... no chance

Everyone by now would have noticed these changes on the site:

• Classic gone weird
• Middle Earth changed to Centerscape
• Dice are now green and have numbers instead of dots
• Attacks are called assaults
• Cards are called Spoils

In any normal case i would understand why these changes have occurred, 'because of possible copyright issues' you say...

But when we have had them the way they were for soooo long, it gets confusing as to why nothing was done before now???

fishydance wrote:Being sued is no laughing matter. If there were even the hint that it might happen, I'd do the same thing they've done - pull the maps, words, and anything else that is in question, until things are sorted out.

Sure it sucks, but given the number of talented mapmakers around here, I'm sure something new can be created to replace the two maps we've lost. In the meantime, let's play on - there are still 98 other maps that are intact!!

Well said.

Hate to say if my court room was on the federal and not the state level and this case came before me, it would be impossible to rule in favor for CC. There were way too many similarities. They have changed what was needed and we all know the maps will get better.

Glad you changed what you had to so we can continue to play.

Maybe Canadians have some sort of joke-day after thanksgiving.

Snorri1234 wrote:Maybe Canadians have some sort of joke-day after thanksgiving.

October Fools Day?

you idiots, they had to change it due to copyright issues.


-tig

I did a bit of research... I am after all on the internet and I found this:
http://googlemapsmania.blogspot.com/2005/12/hasbro-puts-end-to-google-maps-risk.html Perhaps CC received a similar letter for Hasbro.

Further research Tells me that you can't copyright a game. Neither the name, nor the rules. Only the unique graphics and pieces.
Here's what the US Copyright office has to say about it - and they should know {url]http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl108.html[/url]

The idea for a game is not protected by copyright. The same is true of the name or title given to the game and of the method or methods for playing it.

Copyright protects only the particular manner of an author's expression in literary, artistic, or musical form. Copyright protection does not extend to any idea, system, method, device, or trademark material involved in the development, merchandising, or playing of a game. Once a game has been made public, {b]nothing in the copyright law prevents others from developing another game based on similar principles[/b].

Some material prepared in connection with a game may be subject to copyright if it contains a sufficient amount of literary or pictorial expression. For example, the text matter describing the rules of the game, or the pictorial matter appearing on the game board or container, may be registrable.

So make your Risk game, your Camen Sandiego game, your Sim City game - you can even use the same name. All these attempted smack-downs by lawyers who should know better make me sick. No wonder Shakespeare said "first we kill all the lawyers."

Just my $0.02

Snorri1234 wrote:Maybe Canadians have some sort of joke-day after thanksgiving.

Cronus wrote:plus the new look of the dice....what's your opinion?

wow, stop moving my threads...I had a poll and everything

I know that moron.It doesnt change that I hate the new one

Cronus wrote:

Cronus wrote:plus the new look of the dice....what's your opinion?

wow, stop moving my threads...I had a poll and everything

Diddo!

i will not start any more classic games until it is fixed

Scrag Head wrote:I'm new to premium but its a great site for wasting time on, so there isnt a classic map anymore...so the dice look different, meh...who cares, top site and some nice people

Someone said new Classic should be called "World 1.0" and I agree. At last a chance to make both maps coherent

Hello chaps,

well i am not thrilled at the way this was handled: throwing this map at us when the site must have known for some time. If you involve us in the situation we can help and therefore not become the disgruntled enemy.

i am also not filled with bonhomie at being lied to regarding 'Data providers', 'server crashes' and so forth .. this obviously is at the route of that!!


However, let's move forward and take the chance to make 2 beautiful replacement maps. Again please explain why this did not begin before .. (could be copyright issues again i suppose?)

Please communicate with the community better, so we can help get past this mess.
I can not look at the Classic Temporary map, so let's move quick sharp.

And if we can not move quickly then explain to us why not please!


jim

Wait Wait Wait...

Aren't we all rushing to judgment here?

How can anyone be sure it was those two "terrorists" actions anyway?

Until I see court documents substantiating claims of litigation with Hasbro as Plaintiff and Conquer Club as defendant, I can't believe that those two had anything to do with this. Just ludicrous. And it's all rumor mongering to suggest they're behind it.

saraith wrote:I did a bit of research... I am after all on the internet and I found this:
http://googlemapsmania.blogspot.com/2005/12/hasbro-puts-end-to-google-maps-risk.html Perhaps CC received a similar letter for Hasbro.

Further research Tells me that you can't copyright a game. Neither the name, nor the rules. Only the unique graphics and pieces.
Here's what the US Copyright office has to say about it - and they should know {url]http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl108.html[/url]

The idea for a game is not protected by copyright. The same is true of the name or title given to the game and of the method or methods for playing it.

Copyright protects only the particular manner of an author's expression in literary, artistic, or musical form. Copyright protection does not extend to any idea, system, method, device, or trademark material involved in the development, merchandising, or playing of a game. Once a game has been made public, {b]nothing in the copyright law prevents others from developing another game based on similar principles[/b].

Some material prepared in connection with a game may be subject to copyright if it contains a sufficient amount of literary or pictorial expression. For example, the text matter describing the rules of the game, or the pictorial matter appearing on the game board or container, may be registrable.

So make your Risk game, your Camen Sandiego game, your Sim City game - you can even use the same name. All these attempted smack-downs by lawyers who should know better make me sick. No wonder Shakespeare said "first we kill all the lawyers."

Just my $0.02

O yeah i heard about this: they are doing it to scrabble too! Dam Selfish Bastards!!!

We just have to wait this out, and until then, a discussion about it is perfectly alright...so there is no need to flame the thread.

f*ck all of them

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This is our industry. Hasbro is a toy company, with a toy company mentality. Their lawyers are toy company lawyers. Are these the people we want setting policy for the computer games industry? I don’t think so!

The game development community is chaotic and tumultuous, but it is not fragmented. We are a tightly-bound group, in constant communication with each other and sharing common interests. Hasbro has put itself outside the game developer community, and this strategy will backfire on them. We have the brains, the strength in numbers, and the resources to fight this. It is up to us now. Let’s take it to the streets.

Thought it was kinda funny and not the only ones that hasbro has tried to screw over either they are just greedy

omg - oh wait, i'm not texting.
immediate feedback from one of my games - the new "classic " map sucks, big time.
i understand the concept of copyright infringement, but cc has been around a couple of years and now hasbro is flexing their muscles?
isn't there a law saying that if something is left in the public domain for a period of time, it becomes public domain? it isn't like cc is calling the game risk, and a disclaimer has always been present, so why is hasbro squawking now?
are you guys in the process of making a new "classic" map, with some of the territories re-named? hasbro can't claim copyright infringement on the map of the world.
the concept of conquering the world can't be copyrighted, otherwise all your other maps would be in jeopardy.
how soon can we expect a real map instead of connecting the dots?

Yup,the world's not ending just yet. Am looking forward to what improvements/modifications those in the foundry can help make to classic map:)

Youve got to be kidding me. You would think we would have some notice. To be in the middle of several games and have this slop foisted apon us is inexscusable.

Im a big fan of this site and have just found new life playing with several good folks in Cook School.

The map is awful awful awful.

Crap happens. I understand that but man alittle forthought would have been nice.

Did conquerclub get permission from Bethseda to use Tamrial?