Conquer Club

Iliad,when I was making out a case against ET it was at a time when we had very little evidence to go on. I admitted that the evidence was a little shaky, but it was all we had to go on.

Just because he was claiming to be a power role does not make him exempt to be accused.

However, he has been behaving a lot less scummy lately and I am inclined to believe him now. Mainly because there is no-one claiming cop so I think there is no cop and therefore they must surely be a tracker, and no-one has counterclaimed him.

If I believe him then it puts a whole new light on William. He has been behaving incredibly scummy lately, first accusing everyone who did not jump on his iliad bandwagon as being scummy, then changing his vote to me cos I voted for him. But the fact remains that he could have hammered ET, a power role but didn't. I rreally can't see how william can be scum if ET is telling the truth.

So for now unvote

yorkiepeter wrote:Iliad,when I was making out a case against ET it was at a time when we had very little evidence to go on. I admitted that the evidence was a little shaky, but it was all we had to go on.

Just because he was claiming to be a power role does not make him exempt to be accused.

However, he has been behaving a lot less scummy lately and I am inclined to believe him now. Mainly because there is no-one claiming cop so I think there is no cop and therefore they must surely be a tracker, and no-one has counterclaimed him.

If I believe him then it puts a whole new light on William. He has been behaving incredibly scummy lately, first accusing everyone who did not jump on his iliad bandwagon as being scummy, then changing his vote to me cos I voted for him. But the fact remains that he could have hammered ET, a power role but didn't. I rreally can't see how william can be scum if ET is telling the truth.

So for now unvote

Playing chicken may only work with newbs, but it works exceptionally well with them.

So where do we go from here.

I voted for Phil earlier for no other reason then he jumped on my and amazzony's bandwagon, but other than that he has kept out of the spotlight hoping to be forgotten about, a typical scum tactic.

But I really don't know who else. My whole case was built on ET being scum, which would be make it a lot easier to find his scummates. Phil on the other hand not having said much doesn't give away much to judge who his mates might be.

Yorkie trying to defend william(I know you also accused him but that last few comments render your accusations useless) is great for you now. william has been scummy but we have to be careful. I don't think there are many protective roles so we need to get today right.

Will post what I think of each player in a minute

1. Skoffin-pro town. Seen nothing that seems scummy from her yet.
4. ExplainThis Pro-town. Think he behaved strangely day 1 but he is pro town
5. cena-rules Scummy. Popping in randomly. Might have to re-read to see more no him but there might be something happening here
7. william18 Very scummy. Vote hopping, bandwagon hopping, it's all just very scummy. Also probably need to re-read for more evidence
8. philh not much on him since I really don't remember his posts. Either he is not posting or just rarely and doesn't get into the attention. Coudl be scummy
9. sam_levi_11 Where is that guy
10. Yorkiepeter Still scummy. The way he instantly backed off and went after people who had claimed power roles and how he tries to defend william is scummy
11. icedagger neutral I think.

Skoffin wrote: Haha.. I like that 'yet' at the end thar.
Anywho, I think it might be a good idea if we all did a list like that, it might give us a better idea of where we all stand and we can compare easier and find a consensus on who to lynch. Thoughts?

that's actually a good idea. Post your ideas of every person in the game

Im always here but you know its discussion about things I sort of realise and you would hate me just popping in with random I agree comments.

Skoffin = town i think
ExplainThis =Not sure. No results could mean hes scum but mafia could have a roleblocker
cena-rules = Quiet but town
philh = Quiet
william18 = probably scum. Best lynch IMO
sam_levi_11 = only claimed masons with LoVo after LoVo was dead. No counterclaim so probably town
Yorkiepeter = Could be scum
icedagger = I believe to be town
Iliad = Unsure

unvote? vote william

I don't think I've been all that quiet, but I suppose you guys are better judges of that than I am. It probably doesn't help that I have no avatar or sig. You're less likely to associate my posts with my name, especially when ET is the same and more active than I am. Apart from that, like cena I don't like posting unless I actually have something to add. I did start the Yorkie wagon, which I wouldn't have done if I wanted to stay out of the spotlight. (Unless it was just to make it look like I wasn't trying to stay out of the spotlight. It wasn't, but you guys will have to judge for yourselves.)

How hard is it for scum to act non-scummy? We haven't even managed to uncover any mafia, so it seems like a simple matter of not voting anyone who's obviously town or who you know to be mafia.

I may have to reread at some point, but impressions from what I remember:
Skoffin - not much. Haven't seen anything scummy, but see above.
ET - I'm not entirely convinced about, but unless ranger #1 doesn't appear in this game and we have neither a cop nor a tracker, he would have been outed.
Cena - like skoffin.
william - is acting like amazzony was. Like amazzony, that doesn't make him scum, but I still don't trust him.
sam - bulletproof claim. That people think he's acting scummy only further convinces me that that's not a good metric.
Yorkie - potentially scum, but I don't want to go for him when he has a claim, however weak.
Ice - like cena and skoffin.
Iliad - I don't remember much, but he's been on four of five wagons. I don't trust him, but nor do I especially mistrust him.

Can we have a vote count?

Iliad wrote:Yorkie trying to defend william(I know you also accused him but that last few comments render your accusations useless) is great for you now. william has been scummy but we have to be careful. I don't think there are many protective roles so we need to get today right.

Will post what I think of each player in a minute

I'm not trying to defend william at all, had he not refused to hammer william I would say he is a cert. Maybe him not hammering is a very clever ploy to pretend to be town. I'm not played many games so can't be sure. I unvoted to give myself time to think.

Vote Count

Yorkiepeter:(2) Iliad, Sam
William18: (2) ExplainThis, cena-rules
Iliad: (1) icedagger

8 alive, 5 to lynch.

Skoffin Seen nothing that seems scummy from her yet, but then nothing to suggest town either.

ExplainThis Initially I thought scum. His refusal/inability to track caused me grave suspicion. But in the absence of a counterclaim and no cop claiming I may have been wrong

cena-rules Scummy. Experienced player contributing very little. Urged william to hammer ET

william18 Very scummy. Vote hopping, bandwagon hopping. But most damning of all is to try and get cop to not clear townies. Seems he would rather let cop watch while we lynch someone that the cop could have cleared. Very scummy indeed. His 1 saving grace is the fact he didn't hammer ET

philh. Too quiet, likes to stay in background. Just the way most scum players play. Started the amazony bandwagon and then tried to lynch me

sam_levi_11 Good claim and no-one else has claimed mason so certain town

Yorkiepeter All I have tried to do is make suggestions and cases against people I think maybe scum. Whenever I try and do this I get accused....maybe I'd better keep quiet....but I like to think that my comments are helpful. Sure I still went after ET after his claim but he wouldn't be the first scum to claim a power role. If I claimed cop would everyone leave me alone? You'd be daft if you did....especially after I couldn't give any results cos 'i was blocked'

icedagger nothing scummy. always tries to help town. If they guy turns out to be scum I would congratulate him on a very well played game.

Iliad. Was encouraged to claim cop and everyone waited for him to do so. If scum I would think he would have claimed cop and encourage a bad lynch.

Conclusion

No cop therefore 3 scum. PhilH, cena and william

Just my 2 cents worth

Started the amazony bandwagon and then tried to lynch me
I didn't start the Amazon wagon. I did start your wagon, for reasons which I made clear at the time, but I was also the first to unvote after your claim. That's not 'trying to lynch', that's 'trying to find out whether or not to lynch'.

Now that I know I'm not going to accidentally hammer someone, vote William.

vc from day 1

militant wrote:Vote Count


sam_levi_11 (4) cena-rules, ExplainThis, Lord Voldemort, Kernal_Kronic

why wouls lovo vote sam (his mason buddy?) and add pressure which leads to a claim

i did think that, but he was town mason too.

also what does this mean

philh wrote:sam - bulletproof claim. That people think he's acting scummy only further convinces me that that's not a good metric

If I was scum I would have hammered ET a while back. I'm not scum.
I really have a feeling that yorkie is scum.

cena-rules wrote:vc from day 1

militant wrote:Vote Count


sam_levi_11 (4) cena-rules, ExplainThis, Lord Voldemort, Kernal_Kronic

why wouls lovo vote sam (his mason buddy?) and add pressure which leads to a claim

cena, that is actualy a very good point. and surely is definite proof that sam is scum....or am I missing something? sam I believe got to l-1 with lovo on the wagon, so I can see no reason why lovo would do that.

Am I jumping to conclusions too quickly? he did try for a no lynch day on day 1 and its only his excellent claim which kept him in the game........ thoughts anyone?

william18 wrote:If I was scum I would have hammered ET a while back. I'm not scum.
I really have a feeling that yorkie is scum.

what happened to your vote Iliad campaign?

you asked me why I wasn't voting Iliad and that I must be scum otherwise I'd have jumped on his bw. You said anyone who doesn't vote Iliad must be scum.

Presumably you could not muster up enough votes for him so now you are trying to start a bw against me. If this fails which townie will you try next? No wonder you urged the cop not to reveal townie results.

Despite you not hammering ET I really do feel you are scum.

Tell me William, did you enjoy KK?

yorkiepeter wrote:

william18 wrote:If I was scum I would have hammered ET a while back. I'm not scum.
I really have a feeling that yorkie is scum.

what happened to your vote Iliad campaign?

you asked me why I wasn't voting Iliad and that I must be scum otherwise I'd have jumped on his bw. You said anyone who doesn't vote Iliad must be scum.

Presumably you could not muster up enough votes for him so now you are trying to start a bw against me. If this fails which townie will you try next? No wonder you urged the cop not to reveal townie results.

Despite you not hammering ET I really do feel you are scum.

Tell me William, did you enjoy KK?

Thats becuase Iliad had a pretty good argumant.

sam_levi_11 wrote:also what does this mean

philh wrote:sam - bulletproof claim. That people think he's acting scummy only further convinces me that that's not a good metric

It means I'm not convinced "X is acting scummy/non scummy" is a good way to tell whether someone is, in fact, scum. You seem(ed?) to be acting scummy (to other people - I didn't see it myself), but you've got the best alibi. By extension, other people who act scummy aren't necessarily scum, and people who don't act scummy aren't necessarily town.

As for LoVo, I'm confused now. But the wagon only got to -2, and he unvoted without giving a reason before sam claimed. Possibly he only voted to get something moving, but then I don't get why he picked sam. ET was already on 3, and sam was only on 2 at the time.

lord voldemort wrote:

sam_levi_11 wrote:who do you support....chelsea? spurs? or as i thought...liverpool!

arsenal rule

stay fricken on topic
vote sam
lets get some pressure going

Ok I'm back. Iliad's done enough to convince me he's probably town.
My votes torn between William and Cena.
unvote for now

philh wrote:
As for LoVo, I'm confused now. But the wagon only got to -2, and he unvoted without giving a reason before sam claimed. Possibly he only voted to get something moving, but then I don't get why he picked sam. ET was already on 3, and sam was only on 2 at the time.

Oh ok, so it wasn't a serious attempt to lynch him then ....I guess that sort of explains it