Conquer Club

Lootifer wrote:

Night Strike wrote:

Symmetry wrote: So, if I'm getting this right, you're saying that you want guns so that people can overthrow the democratically elected government by sheer firepower?

I'm saying that people should be allowed to have guns for self-protection. Whether that protection is due to assault from a citizen criminal or the government is relatively moot.

Just a little thought experiment. How would you feel about the 2nd amendment being changed to this instead:
- You have a right to bear arms in respect to personal protection from criminal activity (you can word it however you like)
- Some allowance for sports and recreational use of firearms
- If the government is not a fair and democratic representation of the population, and that government seeks to remain in control through non-democratic process, then the control of the powers of national defense shall be passed over to the people; all defense force personal shall be free to use themselves and their relevant resources to overthrow the tyranical government.

Lootifer wrote:

Lootifer wrote:

Night Strike wrote:

Symmetry wrote: So, if I'm getting this right, you're saying that you want guns so that people can overthrow the democratically elected government by sheer firepower?

I'm saying that people should be allowed to have guns for self-protection. Whether that protection is due to assault from a citizen criminal or the government is relatively moot.

Just a little thought experiment. How would you feel about the 2nd amendment being changed to this instead:
- You have a right to bear arms in respect to personal protection from criminal activity (you can word it however you like)
- Some allowance for sports and recreational use of firearms
- If the government is not a fair and democratic representation of the population, and that government seeks to remain in control through non-democratic process, then the control of the powers of national defense shall be passed over to the people; all defense force personal shall be free to use themselves and their relevant resources to overthrow the tyranical government.

Quote to get a NS/PS answer.

Lootifer wrote:

Lootifer wrote:

Night Strike wrote:

Symmetry wrote: So, if I'm getting this right, you're saying that you want guns so that people can overthrow the democratically elected government by sheer firepower?

I'm saying that people should be allowed to have guns for self-protection. Whether that protection is due to assault from a citizen criminal or the government is relatively moot.

Just a little thought experiment. How would you feel about the 2nd amendment being changed to this instead:
- You have a right to bear arms in respect to personal protection from criminal activity (you can word it however you like)
- Some allowance for sports and recreational use of firearms
- If the government is not a fair and democratic representation of the population, and that government seeks to remain in control through non-democratic process, then the control of the powers of national defense shall be passed over to the people; all defense force personal shall be free to use themselves and their relevant resources to overthrow the tyranical government.

Quote to get a NS/PS answer.

Night Strike wrote:

Lootifer wrote:

Lootifer wrote:

Night Strike wrote:

Symmetry wrote: So, if I'm getting this right, you're saying that you want guns so that people can overthrow the democratically elected government by sheer firepower?

I'm saying that people should be allowed to have guns for self-protection. Whether that protection is due to assault from a citizen criminal or the government is relatively moot.

Just a little thought experiment. How would you feel about the 2nd amendment being changed to this instead:
- You have a right to bear arms in respect to personal protection from criminal activity (you can word it however you like)
- Some allowance for sports and recreational use of firearms
- If the government is not a fair and democratic representation of the population, and that government seeks to remain in control through non-democratic process, then the control of the powers of national defense shall be passed over to the people; all defense force personal shall be free to use themselves and their relevant resources to overthrow the tyranical government.

Quote to get a NS/PS answer.

There's nothing wrong with the way it's currently worded (except that it doesn't explicitly say individuals have the right to bear arms). The current problems are with the people who demand that the government ignore the Constitution and take away the right.

Phatscotty wrote:gun control worked in this case, in that it prevented the psycho from getting a gun. The psycho tried to get a gun legally, he was turned down. It didn't stop shit.

A gun-carrying man in Flagstaff, Ariz. is being credited with helping stop a bank robbery suspect — but he never even had to pull out his gun.

Dave Young was driving up to the Arizona Central Credit Union branch when he saw a friend’s son trying to stop a man jumping over a fence.

Young says he quickly confirmed a bank robbery had occurred and took off after the two in his vehicle.

The Arizona Daily Sun reports Young caught up with the pair and placed his hand on his sidearm, showing the suspect that he was armed. He didn’t pull his gun — but he was ready if he needed to.

Young called 911 and police took the suspect, later identified as 32-year-old Joshua Nesmith, into custody.

“I provided cover for him. If the suspect had tried to pull a weapon I could have stopped him,” Young said. “I told him don’t move. I looked him over for weapons and visually inspected the suspect, then called 911.”

In Arizona, gun owners can carry a concealed or exposed weapon without a permit or training. Young says he’s held a concealed carry permit since 1998. He also said carrying a firearm is the responsibility of able-bodied, law-abiding men.

“I think it’s important if you’re a male with a clean record to protect your community,” Young added. “You should be ready to do something like this if possible.”

However, he went on to say that individuals who carry concealed handguns should receive the same amount of training he has. That training, he explained, taught him how to handle a gun and provided him with the mental and emotional control needed not to draw his weapon unless it is absolutely necessary.

Phatscotty wrote:1)Our right to bear arms is one of the biggest reasons why a foreign power would have a severely difficult time trying to occupy us.

2)Keeps us safe

Juan_Bottom wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:1)Our right to bear arms is one of the biggest reasons why a foreign power would have a severely difficult time trying to occupy us.

2)Keeps us safe

Number (1) is obviously a fantasy. That's all it is, a fantasy. Our nuclear submarines, flying robots, and ruthless diplomacy are obviously what keeps us safe from foriegn powers, not to mention that we have our own continent. Kinda hard to move a trillion men across the oceans. England's citizen's aren't all packing heat, and nobody is trying to invade England. Why? Because invasion is a fantasy.

2) What do you think brought this whole conversation about? We don't feel safe, and parents don't feel like their kids are safe.

Phatscotty wrote:

Juan_Bottom wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:1)Our right to bear arms is one of the biggest reasons why a foreign power would have a severely difficult time trying to occupy us.

2)Keeps us safe

Number (1) is obviously a fantasy. That's all it is, a fantasy. Our nuclear submarines, flying robots, and ruthless diplomacy are obviously what keeps us safe from foriegn powers, not to mention that we have our own continent. Kinda hard to move a trillion men across the oceans. England's citizen's aren't all packing heat, and nobody is trying to invade England. Why? Because invasion is a fantasy.

2) What do you think brought this whole conversation about? We don't feel safe, and parents don't feel like their kids are safe.

Ever heard of the reason some Japanese General gave for not invading the United States? I'm guessing not

Iliad wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

Juan_Bottom wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:1)Our right to bear arms is one of the biggest reasons why a foreign power would have a severely difficult time trying to occupy us.

2)Keeps us safe

Number (1) is obviously a fantasy. That's all it is, a fantasy. Our nuclear submarines, flying robots, and ruthless diplomacy are obviously what keeps us safe from foriegn powers, not to mention that we have our own continent. Kinda hard to move a trillion men across the oceans. England's citizen's aren't all packing heat, and nobody is trying to invade England. Why? Because invasion is a fantasy.

2) What do you think brought this whole conversation about? We don't feel safe, and parents don't feel like their kids are safe.

Ever heard of the reason some Japanese Admiral gave for not invading the United States? I'm guessing not

Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto - “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass.”

Phatscotty wrote:

Iliad wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

Juan_Bottom wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:1)Our right to bear arms is one of the biggest reasons why a foreign power would have a severely difficult time trying to occupy us.

2)Keeps us safe

Number (1) is obviously a fantasy. That's all it is, a fantasy. Our nuclear submarines, flying robots, and ruthless diplomacy are obviously what keeps us safe from foriegn powers, not to mention that we have our own continent. Kinda hard to move a trillion men across the oceans. England's citizen's aren't all packing heat, and nobody is trying to invade England. Why? Because invasion is a fantasy.

2) What do you think brought this whole conversation about? We don't feel safe, and parents don't feel like their kids are safe.

Ever heard of the reason some Japanese General gave for not invading the United States? I'm guessing not
/quote]
Except that's just wrong. The reason Japan couldn't invade the US is because of that thing called the Pacific Ocean.

The US is safe because it's isolated by two oceans which act as its borders, and it has vast superiority in the air and on sea. An invasion of the US is thus completely infeasible, made only worse by the sheer size of the US, ie the Russia syndrome, which means that holding ground and advancing the invasion would be a logistical nightmare.

Japan didn't invade Australia either, simply because while it was a very potent military force it did not nearly have enough. men to mount an invasion like that

Not because of some rednecks with shotguns.

Except you are just wrong

Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto - “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass.”

Iliad wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

Iliad wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

Juan_Bottom wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:1)Our right to bear arms is one of the biggest reasons why a foreign power would have a severely difficult time trying to occupy us.

2)Keeps us safe

Number (1) is obviously a fantasy. That's all it is, a fantasy. Our nuclear submarines, flying robots, and ruthless diplomacy are obviously what keeps us safe from foriegn powers, not to mention that we have our own continent. Kinda hard to move a trillion men across the oceans. England's citizen's aren't all packing heat, and nobody is trying to invade England. Why? Because invasion is a fantasy.

2) What do you think brought this whole conversation about? We don't feel safe, and parents don't feel like their kids are safe.

Ever heard of the reason some Japanese General gave for not invading the United States? I'm guessing not
/quote]
Except that's just wrong. The reason Japan couldn't invade the US is because of that thing called the Pacific Ocean.

The US is safe because it's isolated by two oceans which act as its borders, and it has vast superiority in the air and on sea. An invasion of the US is thus completely infeasible, made only worse by the sheer size of the US, ie the Russia syndrome, which means that holding ground and advancing the invasion would be a logistical nightmare.

Japan didn't invade Australia either, simply because while it was a very potent military force it did not nearly have enough. men to mount an invasion like that

Not because of some rednecks with shotguns.

Except you are just wrong

Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto - “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass.”

And if you've bothered o think for yousrself for once in your fucking life Scotty, you'd realise that an invasion of the US was infeasible because of the factors I mentioned.

Phatscotty wrote:

Iliad wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

Iliad wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

Juan_Bottom wrote: Number (1) is obviously a fantasy. That's all it is, a fantasy. Our nuclear submarines, flying robots, and ruthless diplomacy are obviously what keeps us safe from foriegn powers, not to mention that we have our own continent. Kinda hard to move a trillion men across the oceans. England's citizen's aren't all packing heat, and nobody is trying to invade England. Why? Because invasion is a fantasy.

2) What do you think brought this whole conversation about? We don't feel safe, and parents don't feel like their kids are safe.

Ever heard of the reason some Japanese General gave for not invading the United States? I'm guessing not
/quote]
Except that's just wrong. The reason Japan couldn't invade the US is because of that thing called the Pacific Ocean.

The US is safe because it's isolated by two oceans which act as its borders, and it has vast superiority in the air and on sea. An invasion of the US is thus completely infeasible, made only worse by the sheer size of the US, ie the Russia syndrome, which means that holding ground and advancing the invasion would be a logistical nightmare.

Japan didn't invade Australia either, simply because while it was a very potent military force it did not nearly have enough. men to mount an invasion like that

Not because of some rednecks with shotguns.

Except you are just wrong

Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto - “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass.”

And if you've bothered o think for yousrself for once in your fucking life Scotty, you'd realise that an invasion of the US was infeasible because of the factors I mentioned.

Except it's not about any factors other than the factor I stated the Japanese Admiral acknowledged.

You kiss your mom with that mouth?

Iliad wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

Iliad wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

Iliad wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:
Ever heard of the reason some Japanese General gave for not invading the United States? I'm guessing not
/quote]
Except that's just wrong. The reason Japan couldn't invade the US is because of that thing called the Pacific Ocean.

The US is safe because it's isolated by two oceans which act as its borders, and it has vast superiority in the air and on sea. An invasion of the US is thus completely infeasible, made only worse by the sheer size of the US, ie the Russia syndrome, which means that holding ground and advancing the invasion would be a logistical nightmare.

Japan didn't invade Australia either, simply because while it was a very potent military force it did not nearly have enough. men to mount an invasion like that

Not because of some rednecks with shotguns.

Except you are just wrong

Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto - “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass.”

And if you've bothered o think for yousrself for once in your fucking life Scotty, you'd realise that an invasion of the US was infeasible because of the factors I mentioned.

Except it's not about any factors other than the factor I stated the Japanese Admiral acknowledged.

You kiss your mom with that mouth?

What? You honestly don't think borders, naval and air capacities, size of nations, logistical issues or any factors like that play a role in likelihood of an invasion succeeding? It is those factors which make the US so safe from invasion, Scotty.
What one man says does not make automatically law, especially when that quote can just cover up the daunting disadvantages Japan faced against the US.

I'm sorry to say, but yes it's a complete fantasy.

Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto - “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass.”

Iliad wrote:...

I can see you posting here all the time, so I'm going to assume that you can in fact read. Or at least, hope that you can read.

What one man say does not make it gospel. If you look World War 2, it's clear that the US invasion of Japan was not just infeasible, but impossible primarily because of the factors I listed. The fact that some of the US citizens had guns is a minor footnote as Japan didn't have the capacity to launch an invasion force across the Pacific Ocean faced against the US navy. The fact that general decided to shift attention from that onto a different issue does not change these factors. A quote by itself provse nothing, an actual analysis of Japan's position shows otherwise. You've shown an entire incapability of forming arguments, resorting to literally parroting that same quote in every post.

Phatscotty wrote:

Iliad wrote:...

I can see you posting here all the time, so I'm going to assume that you can in fact read. Or at least, hope that you can read.

What one man say does not make it gospel. If you look World War 2, it's clear that the US invasion of Japan was not just infeasible, but impossible primarily because of the factors I listed. The fact that some of the US citizens had guns is a minor footnote as Japan didn't have the capacity to launch an invasion force across the Pacific Ocean faced against the US navy. The fact that general decided to shift attention from that onto a different issue does not change these factors. A quote by itself provse nothing, an actual analysis of Japan's position shows otherwise. You've shown an entire incapability of forming arguments, resorting to literally parroting that same quote in every post.

Just backing up the only thing I said.

Sue me prick

Iliad wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

Iliad wrote:...

I can see you posting here all the time, so I'm going to assume that you can in fact read. Or at least, hope that you can read.

What one man say does not make it gospel. If you look World War 2, it's clear that the US invasion of Japan was not just infeasible, but impossible primarily because of the factors I listed. The fact that some of the US citizens had guns is a minor footnote as Japan didn't have the capacity to launch an invasion force across the Pacific Ocean faced against the US navy. The fact that general decided to shift attention from that onto a different issue does not change these factors. A quote by itself provse nothing, an actual analysis of Japan's position shows otherwise. You've shown an entire incapability of forming arguments, resorting to literally parroting that same quote in every post.

Just backing up the only thing I said.

Sue me prick

And not a single rational argument was seen.

I wouldn't sue you Scotty. Life sued you, and you lost.

Phatscotty wrote:

Iliad wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

Iliad wrote:...

I can see you posting here all the time, so I'm going to assume that you can in fact read. Or at least, hope that you can read.

What one man say does not make it gospel. If you look World War 2, it's clear that the US invasion of Japan was not just infeasible, but impossible primarily because of the factors I listed. The fact that some of the US citizens had guns is a minor footnote as Japan didn't have the capacity to launch an invasion force across the Pacific Ocean faced against the US navy. The fact that general decided to shift attention from that onto a different issue does not change these factors. A quote by itself provse nothing, an actual analysis of Japan's position shows otherwise. You've shown an entire incapability of forming arguments, resorting to literally parroting that same quote in every post.

Just backing up the only thing I said.

Sue me prick

And not a single rational argument was seen.

I wouldn't sue you Scotty. Life sued you, and you lost.

But you said that the Japanese Admiral did not say what he said. But he did say it, and what he said was true.

So you are wrong

Phatscotty wrote:yes you did. You said I was wrong. How is going on the attack to deny your own mistakes working out for you?

Now shut up and go to bed. You can always try again tomorrow

Phatscotty wrote: