GODFATHER MAFIA - FINALLY OVER! CORLEONES WIN!!!

icedagger · Post by **icedagger** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:00 am

I can claim if needed.. although I'd rather not with two people having claimed already today

kalishnikov · Post by **kalishnikov** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:25 am

rebelman wrote:
nagerous wrote:It is August 1945, the war is over and the Corleone family are at the height of their power. Unfortunately, in doing so they have succeeded in entering a bitter street-war with the Barzini family and have made a number of enemies along the way. The entire state is in a complete and utter state of paranoia with no-one trusting each other. In order to crack down on the wave of street crime, the corrupt Senator Pat Geary has proposed a democratic system to lynch whoever the majority of people believe to be the chief cause of the bloodshed that is taking place on the streets. Perhaps if all threats are eliminated then peace can be restored to the city.

ok based on above we have scum family 1 - corleone family

scum family 2 - barzini family (rivals to family 1)

senator pat geary - town character but corrupt

townies - the ones geary is calling on to do the lynching

nagerous wrote:The corrupt Archbishop Gilday was walking down a dark alleyway when a shadowy figure suddenly came behind him with a rope and choked him resulting in him suffocating and dying. His guts were then slashed. Citizens were shocked by the act of violence that had just taken place. Was it an act of pure malice, or was there motive behind the incident?

Sierra_Leon - Archbishop Gilday (Faith Healer) has been killed!

- this confirms there are townies as he would have been a townie and not part of one of the scum families, it also confirms the corleones are scum as if gilday was town then the corleones couldnt be

nagerous wrote:In the aftermath of the Archbishop Gilday attack everyone was on edge and in complete and utter shock. Suddenly, everyone heard a gun-shot!!! Where it had come from no-one knew but where it had landed was clear for everyone to see. Jnd94 screamed out in pain and agony... as the bullet had hit him straight in the heart.

Jnd94 - Johnny Ola (Personal Bodyguard) has been killed!

ok here things start to get a little confusing as Johnny Ola could only be the personal bodyguard to Hyman Roth - in these early times Roth was a diligent worker for the corleone family so if his bodyguard is killed and hes town then that implies the corleones are town

my take on it is this both the corleone and barzini failies have a day killer - they obviously know their own family but dont know the others therefore the barzinis took out roth and the corleones took out the archbishop - my problem with this though is timing as in the film he was a friend of the corleones first before becoming an enemy but they were the ones that killed him in the end.

Unvote

Excellent summation rebel, well thought out and I agree about most points. Do you have any proof to support your theory of the specific families making the specific kills? If so, have out with it and let's lynch us some scum. I ask because the way you worded it you seem to know not guess, however DO NOT roleclaim to answer my question.

Now on to '/'- in the future I'd recommend in this situation that you wait the night out and run your investigation on the person who you feel is scum. Regardless of your role, if you wouldn't have come out I'd think you'd be a slim choice for a NK tonight, but since you've come out with it I'd say lets get some doc protection on him, investigate Fir tonight and we'll see where we stand tomorrow.

I really don't think he's a 'dumb ass noob' or anything like that for revealing his 'thoughts' on the matter he just choose a somewhat poor time to do so. Regardless, I'll bet he truly is a cop (would be a ballsy claim for a newish player if he wasn't), but his faction is yet to be seen. Either way I say protect him, he investigate Fir, depending on the results we lynch Fir tomorrow both verifying/disproving a sanity and alignment.

One of them is scum, and probably a scum cop at that, it's not hard to figure it out... I'd say, personally, hassling '/' about his 'hunch' isn't gonna do us any good but his actual hunch can do us quite good assuming we actually hit a scum cop because of it, which we will (either him or Fir probably are).

mandalorian2298 · Post by **mandalorian2298** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:27 am

nagerous wrote:Mandy's vote was in blue and didn't count.

Er...sorry about that. Not that it proves that Wicked is right about colors or anything. [-(

unvote vote Icedagger

got tonkaed · Post by **got tonkaed** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:47 am

I think the day would advance farther given what the recent development was if / or fircoal was lynched if not today then tommorow.

kalishnikov · Post by **kalishnikov** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:49 am

got tonkaed wrote:I think the day would advance farther given what the recent development was if / or fircoal was lynched if not today then tommorow.

Agreed, the question is though do we wait for / to investigate Fir tonight (my vote) so we can 'clear' him while we are at it or do we run the wagon on Fir now? I'd think we should wait so we can 'kill 2 birds with 1 stone'.

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:50 am

Neutrino wrote:While I can definately see the evidence against icedagger, I can't escape the feeling that he might have been onto something when he was questioning AD on page ~25.
Now, I don't mean this as an attack in any way; I just want to explore it further.
Can someone, preferably AD, explain to me why the Corleone family is more than likely town? Without giving too much away, my role is pro-town, (blue text and such) but also most definately not pro-Corleone.
The scene on page one also points out that the Corleone's and the town are definately not the same entity. It isn't exactly much of a stretch of the imagination to think that the town is town...

I can understand AD's point that not all those with the Corleone surname are scum, I would also have imagined that such non-combat/innocent characters wouldn't actually be present in the game. Admittedly, there's the possibility that we might hit a traitor to the Corleone's, but that's fairly remote and is a possibility in most other large games anyway (

I can make this answer very easily.

Why are there kids in this game? They obviously can't already be considered scum, can they? But they ARE Corleones. Will they grow up to be scum? Who knows. But we already know that not only will peoples roles change, but their alignments may very well change too.

I say again, check out the movie. People swayed back and forth depending on who the Don of their family was. Sonnie was a mean sonofabitch who liked to fight, so the people in the family then that DIDN'T like to fight turned traitotr on him. Which, coincidentally, got him killed.

icedagger · Post by **icedagger** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:51 am

Well I don't really know how to say this, but you're not going to lynch me today. Getting me to claim isn't going to help town at all

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:51 am

rebelman wrote:
The1exile wrote:If he "thinks" fircoal is scum that would be a good enough lead for me. we lynch people for submarining, not contributing etc., yet you wouldn't lynch someone for a strongly implied mod hint that he is scum (or at least, not pro-town)?

hmmmm there could also be a bit of metagaming on, if i recall there was a phase of almost nes like proportions where there was an effort to lynch fircoal on day 1 in all games

Hmmm, kinda, it was a bit different though.

got tonkaed · Post by **got tonkaed** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:51 am

kalishnikov wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:I think the day would advance farther given what the recent development was if / or fircoal was lynched if not today then tommorow.

Agreed, the question is though do we wait for / to investigate Fir tonight (my vote) so we can 'clear' him while we are at it or do we run the wagon on Fir now? I'd think we should wait so we can 'kill 2 birds with 1 stone'.

i dont know...im kinda stuck wondering whether or not having the investigations of another night could throw us off a bit considering those results are probably going to direct us the wrong way.

I think running off one of them tonight saves everyone some issues down the line with running down incorrect investigations.

CoheedCambria09 · Post by **CoheedCambria09** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:54 am

can i join this game?

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:54 am

got tonkaed wrote:
kalishnikov wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:I think the day would advance farther given what the recent development was if / or fircoal was lynched if not today then tommorow.

Agreed, the question is though do we wait for / to investigate Fir tonight (my vote) so we can 'clear' him while we are at it or do we run the wagon on Fir now? I'd think we should wait so we can 'kill 2 birds with 1 stone'.

i dont know...im kinda stuck wondering whether or not having the investigations of another night could throw us off a bit considering those results are probably going to direct us the wrong way.

I think running off one of them tonight saves everyone some issues down the line with running down incorrect investigations.

This is very true. What is also true is that McClusky is the most evil sonofabitch around. Fircoal even admitted that was his name!

I can't believe that the town wouldn't vote to lynch the guy who has said he was one of the most corrupt cops in New York!

Unvote

I think Fircoal should be lynched, and we see what comes of it. McClusky was NEVER a pro-town cop in the book or movie.

got tonkaed · Post by **got tonkaed** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:56 am

i suppose i agree and will be a man of action!

unvote vote fircoal

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:57 am

got tonkaed wrote:i suppose i agree and will be a man of action!

unvote vote fircoal

Yeah, Fircoal. You should never have said that was your name.

If you end up being a pro-town cop, then nagerous has totally deviated from the book and movie, and I highly doubt he did that.

Vote: Fircoal

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:59 am

I'll be back after Easter Dinner, guys.

F1fth · Post by **F1fth** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:10 pm

icedagger wrote:Well I don't really know how to say this, but you're not going to lynch me today. Getting me to claim isn't going to help town at all

I'm guessing this means that you're either the governor, or affiliated with the governor. Regardless, I think that lynching Fircoal would be a smarter move, because I'd expect both of them to be NK'd tonight by mafias trying to kill cops. At least with this way, we can get an idea of /'s alignment, and a doc can protect him if he's right.

Unvote Vote Fircoal

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:16 pm

Unvote vote fucking Fircoal

CrabNebula · Post by **CrabNebula** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:16 pm

Finally got to do some reading in the wiki and I agree McKlusky doesn't look pro-townish at all, and with that

unvote vote Fircoal

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:30 pm

CoheedCambria09 wrote:can i join this game?

We're kinda mid game already and I already have a load of replacements who want to play if anyone drops out, all with lotsa mafia experience. If you want to learn about mafia or are interested in playing then click one of the links in the announcement thread or wait for signups of another game to begin. I think a few like neoteny's game are waiting for players at the moment.

mandalorian2298 · Post by **mandalorian2298** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:32 pm

F1fth wrote:
icedagger wrote:Well I don't really know how to say this, but you're not going to lynch me today. Getting me to claim isn't going to help town at all

I'm guessing this means that you're either the governor, or affiliated with the governor. Regardless, I think that lynching Fircoal would be a smarter move, because I'd expect both of them to be NK'd tonight by mafias trying to kill cops. At least with this way, we can get an idea of /'s alignment, and a doc can protect him if he's right.

Unvote Vote Fircoal

Or Vig can pacify him if Fircoal's role is not a Cop. Works out either way. :twisted:

unvote Vote Fircoal "It's not personal. It's strictly buisness." to quote the movie. :wink:

CrabNebula · Post by **CrabNebula** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:37 pm

Fircoal wrote:
icedagger wrote:Seen Fircoal browsing forum games a couple of times but he hasn't posted..

because I"m reading, and I'm slow because I get distracted by everything???

Anyway, all I know his some of what he says is right. I am Captain Mark Mcluskey, though I'm not scum, and I have no idea at all about what / is saying. I didn't get any other info in my pm besides my name, and that I was a pro-town cop. That's it.

Mandy the skimmer heh :lol:

Talapus · Post by **Talapus** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:38 pm

It makes the most sense to do it this way. Besides he was an ass**** in the movies. So, Unvote, Vote - - - Fircoal.

militant · Post by **militant** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:17 pm

I have not seen the movie yet, but i rented it on Thursday and am going to watch it tonight or tomorrow.

Anyway, if / is Fircoal's deputy, is there a chance he could be corrupt aswell. If in /'s message he got the idea fircoal is scum, and he was a deputy, would the deputy demand a cut in the profit, and even if we lynch fircoal today, / wont be able to investigate anyone because he is a deputy not a backup cop. He would only recieve Fircoal's results which will be none if he is a night cop.

unvote vote Fircoal

MafiaScum wiki wrote:A Deputy is a role that begins as a Vanilla Townie with no knowledge of their special role. Once the Cop has 'died', the Deputy will be notified and can choose to 'retrieve' the results of that Cop's investigations. If there is more than one Cop, the deputy usually can only get the results of one of the Cop's investigations, so they must choose wisely.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:22 pm

Whoa, so you're just willing to give up a cop? :shock:

Didn't it say in the game rules that claiming names/roles would hurt the town? I'm pretty sure there's a protective role or two that can protect the claimed cops tonight. At least let the cops get some reads first to help us out here.

I don't think it's ever a good idea to lynch a claimed cop and anyone pushing for that reeks of scum. I find it really hard to believe that / is telling the entire truth based on the way he came out about it. I'd think if he was given partial information in a role, that it wouldn't be a sure thing like he's making it out to be.

My guess is / is a mafia day cop, which explains his delay in coming out with info. It fits better with the info he has and the timing. I bet he got a day read on fircola, so is using us to try to kill of the town cop.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:24 pm

MafiaScum wiki wrote:A Deputy is a role that begins as a Vanilla Townie with no knowledge of their special role.

So / is claiming deputy with knowledge of his role and knowledge of another cop? IS that right? Far-fetched. Deputy wouldn't have any info.

icedagger · Post by **icedagger** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:27 pm

It says under variations they often do know about their role though. Either way I think it was a crappy move by / to come out day one, but now he has we might as well lynch what looks like a scum cop? It would'be been better if he'd let fircoal do some investigations first so we could get info though..