[OFFICIAL] Charle's Fun Mafia - "Game On" Day 4

[Kingm]

We won't get a second claim in time. Perhaps looking back at whom seemingly delayed this intentionally may prove useful...

Are you sure?
I have not read anything from before yet, so I would be doing the exact opposite of what I was saying, but I would be willing to put my vote back on Chana, so we could get a claim.

But it would seem wishy washy from me, but who cares, whatever will help town.
So 4 hours euro time should be enough to get Chana to L - 1, but who knows if Chana will be here in time to do a claim, and then we would have a really short time to lynch if needed, so yeah ok, you are probably right, its just not enough time.

[Ragian]

I don't like the case on Chana. I might be wrong, however. I also don't like that a couple of those that I suspect are voting for chana.

Fwiw (and if everyone else could do something similar)

Chummy --> scummy
halrob - unopposed town cop claim
---
Loose - has seemed to engage like I'd like him to
hjelp - I don't agree with his points, but they seem to come from a towny p.o.v.
---
Max
devon
darin - I have no clue relating to these five based on the sparse contributions
devante
kong
---
kingm - has just entered the game
---
chana - there is something odd in the replies, but it could also be interpreted as a frustrated townie not understanding why the heat keeps mounting
---
EW - PMC said it best: A helpful EW is a scum EW...I have nothing concrete here...it's just a nagging feeling.
Son!c - has flooded the thread with loads of banter and stuff that is a good and funny read but also distorts what to look for. I didn't like the lack of reaction to my vote.

Have a good weekend, people!

[halrob64]

I misread the Chan conversation so I will UNVOTE

[halrob64]

Well I was asked to come clean, I did. Its up to you to believe me or not. Why would I lie that's the question?
When night falls...

[Extreme Ways]

VOTE CHANAKAM

Ok Halrob. Explain me why you decided to vote me immediatly after I asked explanation from Extreme Ways ,
Why he wanted to put you to L-1 in this reply ?
https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 0#p5364472

Does your vote have to do some thing with I questioning Extreme Ways
Or ?
Do you have some other reason ?

Any reason why you choose to reply to this post, but not to my post (also: I never advocated halrob to be put to L-1 and I didnt vote myself precisely for that reason)?

I have answerd to you here
https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 0#p5364472
Did you actually missed to read my reply
or
Are you pretending that you did not see it to skip answering my question ?
.
Here I am copying and pasting it again for you.
.

@Extreme Ways

Now this is becoming interesting and worthy analyze

Your hesitancy on bringing Halrob to L-1 is indeed a post worthy of some alignment.

How can I put Halrob to L-1 . Because when Halrob was put to L-2 & when he made claim my vote is already in that 5 votes there and
I cannot vote twice. And Explain me why you expected to put some one claimed town power role to L-1 after he claimed power role & there was no counter claim. Now this is very suspecious to me.

That's how you decide to read my post. I said that you preferring others not to put him in hammer range (=execution range) is indeed something which helps in telling your alignment. I didn't say it makes you scummy, or towny for that matter.

Your hesitancy on bringing Halrob to L-1 is indeed a post worthy of some alignment.

You did not answer my most important question here.
Why Did you wanted to keep my vote to Halrob without Unvoting him and put Halrob in L-1 even after he claimed that he is town and holding a power role for town.
He made his claim when he was in L-2.

This is the vote count when Halrob is in L-2 .

Vote Count:

Halrob (5) - Loose, Sonic, Darin, Chanakam, Max
Loose (1) - hjelp
Darin (1) - Kong
hjelp (1) - Devon

13 Alive - 7 Needed for a Lynch

You have not voted at that point. Still you was expecting someone else to put Halrob to L-1
And you are not casting that 6th Vote putting Halrob to L-1.
So why you wanted to some one else put him to L-1 instead doing it by yourself even ahfte he claim powr role at L-2?
You waited If some one put him to L-1 then To cast 7th Vote and nail the coffin ?
Or
if players did not put Halrob to L-1 then stay away from voting him and act innocient ?
Explain.

And Here is a Lie detected Alert

(also: I never advocated halrob to be put to L-1 and I didnt vote myself precisely for that reason)?

You have clearly said L-1.
You asked me why I unvoted Halrob before someone putting him to L-1 from L-2
In case if you forgot what you wrote let me recite it for you.
.

Your hesitancy on bringing Halrob to L-1 is indeed a post worthy of some alignment.

How can I put Halrob to L-1 . Because when Halrob was put to L-2 & when he made claim my vote is already in that 5 votes there and
I cannot vote twice. And Explain me why you expected to put some one claimed town power role to L-1 after he claimed power role & there was no counter claim. Now this is very suspecious to me.

That's how you decide to read my post. I said that you preferring others not to put him in hammer range (=execution range) is indeed something which helps in telling your alignment. I didn't say it makes you scummy, or towny for that matter.

"Your hesitancy on bringing Halrob to L-1" = Me Unvoting Halrob After he claimed his Role and explaining my thought to others why I Unvoted
.
Now your time to Explain why you wanted to keep my Vote without unvoting him till some one put him to L-1 ?

Sorry, it was cut off by the last page and I missed it.

I was saying that you didnt want others to bring him to L-1, it was a post mentioned by you that I simply referred to as worthy of some alignment. Meaning I didnt lump them in with the others which I called information instead of analysis.

YEP EW MY REACTION IS TO ECHO RAG
(I think)

EW your "voting Halrob in spirit but not putting him at L-1" couldn't make you sound more like you're caught deciding whether to go mafia on mafia with Halrob, if you tried.

I guess we should give Hal a reasonable time to talk before putuung him to L-1 or L-0.
Because
Aftter he gone up to L-2 he still did not write any thing here and may be he has not seen his current status yet.

This is the post I am referring to.

You are telling others not to put Halrob in L-1, using your posts to influence others. That is what I am referring to. It's not a "lie detected alert", I am simply translating your post of "we should give Hal a reasonable time to talk before putting him to L-1 or L-o" to "please dont vote Halrob until he explains". Am I wrong in this translation?

As for the other answers which seem like rhetorical ones: I dont think a mafia EW could ever get away with hammering someone before they claimed, people will not believe anything I say about it. I was not going to be the 6th or 7th vote on Halrob, that's why I mentioned that I am voting there in spirit (==suspecting but not voting due to hammer range)

Having answered your questions hopefully to your satisfaction, can you answer mine?

[SoN!c]

I don't like the case on Chana. I might be wrong, however. I also don't like that a couple of those that I suspect are voting for chana.

Fwiw (and if everyone else could do something similar)

Chummy --> scummy
halrob - unopposed town cop claim
---
Loose - has seemed to engage like I'd like him to
hjelp - I don't agree with his points, but they seem to come from a towny p.o.v.
---
Max
devon
darin - I have no clue relating to these five based on the sparse contributions
devante
kong
---
kingm - has just entered the game
---
chana - there is something odd in the replies, but it could also be interpreted as a frustrated townie not understanding why the heat keeps mounting
---
EW - PMC said it best: A helpful EW is a scum EW...I have nothing concrete here...it's just a nagging feeling.
Son!c - has flooded the thread with loads of banter and stuff that is a good and funny read but also distorts what to look for. I didn't like the lack of reaction to my vote.

Have a good weekend, people!

It's always the silent ones so i have those 5 listed as high scum potentials. Like 2 out of those 5 silent lurkers are probably scum. I don't like it you have no clue on those as being silent like that is a big clue (except for Max ofc).

My top case is DDS however. Like i said it was frustration that got to him.

I have been very active reading and noticed one of the same 3 players that do not have their online status hiding in here almost every time i was reading this thread.


Of those not hiding their online status DDS his activity was by far the most present followed by loose and chanakam.

I found this very fishy from DDS as he did not post much and even stated he "had absolutely no time to play being busy with his work".

His few post he made where also meaningless blending in just acting DDS funny with DDS style comments. When town he would mix that with actual much better game analysis on some.

So those two things combined was a big red flag.
Then he lost his cool in an never seen before way with the Chana AI scummy list that said "smoke, if not fire" even if he was just placed 3d on that scummy to chubby list. Losing it completely when Loose and i placed our vote on him. Second big Red flag.

Now Kingm strategically putting us to sleep with his long spam series of answers. They were that good making you go zzzzzz you'd almost forgot DDS and Kingm are the same game role.

Hell of a recovery from the king.

So DDS for me is a first domino block. If we can figure out Kingm's allignment then we have the good stuff we need to figure a lot of things out. Why did he blew out like he did? There must be a reason.

[Extreme Ways]

I don't like the case on Chana. I might be wrong, however. I also don't like that a couple of those that I suspect are voting for chana.

Fwiw (and if everyone else could do something similar)

Chummy --> scummy
halrob - unopposed town cop claim
---
Loose - has seemed to engage like I'd like him to
hjelp - I don't agree with his points, but they seem to come from a towny p.o.v.
---
Max
devon
darin - I have no clue relating to these five based on the sparse contributions
devante
kong
---
kingm - has just entered the game
---
chana - there is something odd in the replies, but it could also be interpreted as a frustrated townie not understanding why the heat keeps mounting
---
EW - PMC said it best: A helpful EW is a scum EW...I have nothing concrete here...it's just a nagging feeling.
Son!c - has flooded the thread with loads of banter and stuff that is a good and funny read but also distorts what to look for. I didn't like the lack of reaction to my vote.

Have a good weekend, people!

Not sure if I posted this before but when I play scum I always try to ignore a vote if I dont understand where it's coming from. As town I do so much more freely, because I have nothing to hide and I dont really care if one person votes me. The lack of reaction to me seemed thus more towny than scummy.

I also rest my case that a helpful EW is an EW and that I am arguably less helpful as scum because I tend to ghost thread more.

Otherwise I agree with this list which concerns me. I have little scum leads, even Chana I can chalk up to communication/language issues but it's the best I have atm.

[Kingm]

I don't like the case on Chana. I might be wrong, however. I also don't like that a couple of those that I suspect are voting for chana.

Fwiw (and if everyone else could do something similar)

Chummy --> scummy
halrob - unopposed town cop claim
---
Loose - has seemed to engage like I'd like him to
hjelp - I don't agree with his points, but they seem to come from a towny p.o.v.
---
Max
devon
darin - I have no clue relating to these five based on the sparse contributions
devante
kong
---
kingm - has just entered the game
---
chana - there is something odd in the replies, but it could also be interpreted as a frustrated townie not understanding why the heat keeps mounting
---
EW - PMC said it best: A helpful EW is a scum EW...I have nothing concrete here...it's just a nagging feeling.
Son!c - has flooded the thread with loads of banter and stuff that is a good and funny read but also distorts what to look for. I didn't like the lack of reaction to my vote.

Have a good weekend, people!

It's always the silent ones so i have those 5 listed as high scum potentials. Like 2 out of those 5 silent lurkers are probably scum. I don't like it you have no clue on those as being silent like that is a big clue (except for Max ofc).

My top case is DDS however. Like i said it was frustration that got to him.

I have been very active reading and noticed one of the same 3 players that do not have their online status hiding in here almost every time i was reading this thread.


Of those not hiding their online status DDS his activity was by far the most present followed by loose and chanakam.

I found this very fishy from DDS as he did not post much and even stated he "had absolutely no time to play being busy with his work".

His few post he made where also meaningless blending in just acting DDS funny with DDS style comments. When town he would mix that with actual much better game analysis on some.

So those two things combined was a big red flag.
Then he lost his cool in an never seen before way with the Chana AI scummy list that said "smoke, if not fire" even if he was just placed 3d on that scummy to chubby list. Losing it completely when Loose and i placed our vote on him. Second big Red flag.

Now Kingm strategically putting us to sleep with his long spam series of answers. They were that good making you go zzzzzz you'd almost forgot DDS and Kingm are the same game role.

Hell of a recovery from the king.

So DDS for me is a first domino block. If we can figure out Kingm's allignment then we have the good stuff we need to figure a lot of things out. Why did he blew out like he did? There must be a reason.

Lol, I just tried to take a page out of your book mate, with the spam.

I can't speak for DDS, but I think he just felt strongly about 3.party, I however do feel he overacted a bit, but its good now that the rules are clear.
It would be very interesting to know what punishment chana got, but nobody has even asked, hmm.

And SoN!c, I hope to be able to show my alignment in D2

[SoN!c]

...
And SoN!c, I hope to be able to show my alignment in D2

After you whack me tonight

[Charle]

It is now Night 1, no more posting until Day 2.

Please send me the night actions as soon as possible. We can start with D2 as soon as I have all the actions.

[Charle]

NIGHT ONE ACTIONS

Kong (Vanilla Townie) died
Darin (Town Jailkeeper) died

With 11 Alive - 6 needed for a lynch.

It is now Day 2 - Enjoy!!

Kong and Darin thanks for joining, hoped you enjoyed while it lasted.

[Loose Canon]

11 left and we have to presume it's either 7 v 3 v 1 or 7 v 2 v 2
One faction went for a proven solver in Kong, the other for a relatively inconspicuous to recent players in Darin.
Don't know if presence of a jail keeper in game supports the claim there is a cop.
Also don't know but would lean towards any counter claiming cop coming forward now.

[chanakam2020]

NIGHT ONE ACTIONS

Kong (Vanilla Townie) died
Darin (Town Jailkeeper) died

With 11 Alive - 6 needed for a lynch.

It is now Day 2 - Enjoy!!

Kong and Darin thanks for joining, hoped you enjoyed while it lasted.

Oh a terrible night.

[chanakam2020]

11 left and we have to presume it's either 7 v 3 v 1 or 7 v 2 v 2
One faction went for a proven solver in Kong, the other for a relatively inconspicuous to recent players in Darin.
Don't know if presence of a jail keeper in game supports the claim there is a cop.
Also don't know but would lean towards any counter claiming cop coming forward now.

What is 7 v 3 v 1 or 7 v 2 v 2 means ?
No Dice involvement in this game right ?

[Loose Canon]

7 town v 3 mafia v 1 serial killer
Or
7 town v 2 mafia v 2 werewolves

[chanakam2020]

VOTE CHANAKAM

Ok Halrob. Explain me why you decided to vote me immediatly after I asked explanation from Extreme Ways ,
Why he wanted to put you to L-1 in this reply ?
https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 0#p5364472

Does your vote have to do some thing with I questioning Extreme Ways
Or ?
Do you have some other reason ?

Any reason why you choose to reply to this post, but not to my post (also: I never advocated halrob to be put to L-1 and I didnt vote myself precisely for that reason)?

I have answerd to you here
https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 0#p5364472
Did you actually missed to read my reply
or
Are you pretending that you did not see it to skip answering my question ?
.
Here I am copying and pasting it again for you.
.

@Extreme Ways

Now this is becoming interesting and worthy analyze

Your hesitancy on bringing Halrob to L-1 is indeed a post worthy of some alignment.

How can I put Halrob to L-1 . Because when Halrob was put to L-2 & when he made claim my vote is already in that 5 votes there and
I cannot vote twice. And Explain me why you expected to put some one claimed town power role to L-1 after he claimed power role & there was no counter claim. Now this is very suspecious to me.

That's how you decide to read my post. I said that you preferring others not to put him in hammer range (=execution range) is indeed something which helps in telling your alignment. I didn't say it makes you scummy, or towny for that matter.

Your hesitancy on bringing Halrob to L-1 is indeed a post worthy of some alignment.

You did not answer my most important question here.
Why Did you wanted to keep my vote to Halrob without Unvoting him and put Halrob in L-1 even after he claimed that he is town and holding a power role for town.
He made his claim when he was in L-2.

This is the vote count when Halrob is in L-2 .

Vote Count:

Halrob (5) - Loose, Sonic, Darin, Chanakam, Max
Loose (1) - hjelp
Darin (1) - Kong
hjelp (1) - Devon

13 Alive - 7 Needed for a Lynch

You have not voted at that point. Still you was expecting someone else to put Halrob to L-1
And you are not casting that 6th Vote putting Halrob to L-1.
So why you wanted to some one else put him to L-1 instead doing it by yourself even ahfte he claim powr role at L-2?
You waited If some one put him to L-1 then To cast 7th Vote and nail the coffin ?
Or
if players did not put Halrob to L-1 then stay away from voting him and act innocient ?
Explain.

And Here is a Lie detected Alert

(also: I never advocated halrob to be put to L-1 and I didnt vote myself precisely for that reason)?

You have clearly said L-1.
You asked me why I unvoted Halrob before someone putting him to L-1 from L-2
In case if you forgot what you wrote let me recite it for you.
.

Your hesitancy on bringing Halrob to L-1 is indeed a post worthy of some alignment.

How can I put Halrob to L-1 . Because when Halrob was put to L-2 & when he made claim my vote is already in that 5 votes there and
I cannot vote twice. And Explain me why you expected to put some one claimed town power role to L-1 after he claimed power role & there was no counter claim. Now this is very suspecious to me.

That's how you decide to read my post. I said that you preferring others not to put him in hammer range (=execution range) is indeed something which helps in telling your alignment. I didn't say it makes you scummy, or towny for that matter.

"Your hesitancy on bringing Halrob to L-1" = Me Unvoting Halrob After he claimed his Role and explaining my thought to others why I Unvoted
.
Now your time to Explain why you wanted to keep my Vote without unvoting him till some one put him to L-1 ?

Sorry, it was cut off by the last page and I missed it.

I was saying that you didnt want others to bring him to L-1, it was a post mentioned by you that I simply referred to as worthy of some alignment. Meaning I didnt lump them in with the others which I called information instead of analysis.

YEP EW MY REACTION IS TO ECHO RAG
(I think)

EW your "voting Halrob in spirit but not putting him at L-1" couldn't make you sound more like you're caught deciding whether to go mafia on mafia with Halrob, if you tried.

I guess we should give Hal a reasonable time to talk before putuung him to L-1 or L-0.
Because
Aftter he gone up to L-2 he still did not write any thing here and may be he has not seen his current status yet.

This is the post I am referring to.

You are telling others not to put Halrob in L-1, using your posts to influence others. That is what I am referring to. It's not a "lie detected alert", I am simply translating your post of "we should give Hal a reasonable time to talk before putting him to L-1 or L-o" to "please dont vote Halrob until he explains". Am I wrong in this translation?

As for the other answers which seem like rhetorical ones: I dont think a mafia EW could ever get away with hammering someone before they claimed, people will not believe anything I say about it. I was not going to be the 6th or 7th vote on Halrob, that's why I mentioned that I am voting there in spirit (==suspecting but not voting due to hammer range)

Having answered your questions hopefully to your satisfaction, can you answer mine?

I am not satisfied with your word twistings and excuses.
Either it is you are prettending you missing my questions and then do not understand what I am asking
Or
My language skill is not good enough to ask it in understandable way to you.
.

Having answered your questions hopefully to your satisfaction, can you answer mine?

I think I have answered to your questions.
Double check whether you missed my replies by cut off by the last page kind of things
or
Like You missed SoN!c unvoting DDS

.
If I have really missed to answer some of your question can you please ask them again.
At the moment I am feeling little unwell (In real life) and tired and not in a mood to dig down in forum posts to find if I miised some thing.

:

[chanakam2020]

7 town v 3 mafia v 1 serial killer
Or
7 town v 2 mafia v 2 werewolves

Ah got it. Tnx

[SoN!c]

11 left and we have to presume it's either 7 v 3 v 1 or 7 v 2 v 2
One faction went for a proven solver in Kong, the other for a relatively inconspicuous to recent players in Darin.
Don't know if presence of a jail keeper in game supports the claim there is a cop.
Also don't know but would lean towards any counter claiming cop coming forward now.

Dang Loose, reacting super-calm like always is my first idea (after the shocker that we had a jailkeeper but he is gone already)..— huge loss for town. We should be careful today; too many quick accusations could backfire.

What we know: its 7vs3 or 7vs4 most likely. We have to hit scum today so don't realy care if the scum is more then 1 faction and which faction (3P included) we hit today. We can't afford mislynching a townie if tonight 2 more of us die.

Im thinking this: one kill by mafia yes ofc, but second kill could have been a lot of things: wolf faction, mafia double kill or a town vig misfire. Lets not jump rightaway to final conclusions that its 2 kills coming from 2 different scum factions. Also to be noted: both kills are carried out on the "silent 5". I was expecting other target then Darin and Kong tbh.

[SoN!c]

with all that said let get to D2 because I don't like all this AI stuff

unvote, vote no lynch

Looked up Darin. He was voting Halrob before this unvote.

No clues there who he might of jailed.

@Halrob, you have some good news?

[Extreme Ways]

Did we have any protectives on Halrob that may have influenced them not dying?

[Extreme Ways]

[quote']
Double check whether you missed my replies by cut off by the last page kind of things [/game]

I dont think I missed a reply consisting of you quoting posts of yourself and explaining your thought process, but if I did, I'd love someone not named you or me to link it.

I am leaning towards you town for now, I feel like if you were scum somebody wouldve pushed me off of you by now. It feels like thread is allowing us to collide, which means we are more likely to be town/town.

[Loose Canon]

Darin seems to me a hit on a player, who wasn't evoking strong town or mafia vibes so sort of a hit on a maybe town power role maybe rival mafia, from a mafia perspective.

With kong, people who have played with kong would see him as extremely dangerous if not on your side.
My instinct is the player who most of all would see Kong as dangerous would be rag.

[Extreme Ways]

Darin seems to me a hit on a player, who wasn't evoking strong town or mafia vibes so sort of a hit on a maybe town power role maybe rival mafia, from a mafia perspective.

With kong, people who have played with kong would see him as extremely dangerous if not on your side.
My instinct is the player who most of all would see Kong as dangerous would be rag.

I forgot if Darin did anything this game. Could be just a kill that attracts less protective attention, could be a kill because mafia is done fine.

[Loose Canon]

Did we have any protectives on Halrob that may have influenced them not dying?

Extreme can't believe you asked this.
If there were protectives on Halrob, and if there are protectives then surely they shouldn't say.

Halrob however should say what he claims to have done.

[halrob64]

Its the first time there have been murders in this town, an upstanding member of the community Kong has been ruthlessly murdered and the town jailer Darin has also been killed although he may have enemies other than the mafia, that will be investigated.
My own investigations led me to suspect Ragian before these heinous murders were committed.
What I can report is that my investigation has been blocked by the higher powers.
Read into that what you will.
I believe that Ragian now needs to come clean and explain why he is being protected by the higher authority