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Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 7:01 pm
by Juan_Bottom
rocky mountain wrote:Juan_Bottom wrote:rocky mountain wrote:no. Noah? no. i also doubt that if someone made it up, they would bother to make all those stories about Adam and Noah, etc. for a lie.
Careful, you lend creedance to all mythology here. That's like sayin' Zues is real because why would anyone come up with all those stories???
even so, is that the only comeback you have of all my post? that means you can't say anything against it
I wasn't debating you. I saw that you made an honest mistake and was allowing you to fix it before some jerker called you on it. Apology accepted.
Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 7:04 pm
by rocky mountain
ah ok, then thanks... i guess...
Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 7:05 pm
by Juan_Bottom
Good, now we can all be friends again. But still, no SUGGS.
Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:43 pm
by Frigidus
rocky mountain wrote:Juan_Bottom wrote:rocky mountain wrote:no. Noah? no. i also doubt that if someone made it up, they would bother to make all those stories about Adam and Noah, etc. for a lie.
Careful, you lend creedance to all mythology here. That's like sayin' Zues is real because why would anyone come up with all those stories???
even so, is that the only comeback you have of all my post? that means you can't say anything against it
No, his point is that because you make references to the propagators of the religion as people that we would argue are fictional your argument is moot. Besides, the ones that wrote the old testament weren't, as was originally argued, stoned, burned, etc. Indeed, whoever came up with the stories in the Old Testament had a good group of followers who probably did their every whim. After all, Christianity is just an offshoot of the Jewish faith.
Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:58 pm
by jay_a2j
Frigidus wrote: After all, Christianity is just an offshoot of the Jewish faith.
Actually, its the completion of the Jewish Faith.
Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:58 pm
by Frigidus
jay_a2j wrote:Frigidus wrote: After all, Christianity is just an offshoot of the Jewish faith.
Actually, its the completion of the Jewish Faith.
Fair enough, at least according to you guys.
Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:24 pm
by Neoteny
Frigidus wrote:jay_a2j wrote:Frigidus wrote: After all, Christianity is just an offshoot of the Jewish faith.
Actually, its the completion of the Jewish Faith.
Fair enough, at least according to you guys.
Well it's supposed to be... eventually...
Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:58 pm
by Juan_Bottom
And let's not forget that Jesus was not the only "son of God" with followers who was killed by the Romans. In fact, he wasn't the only one while he was alive. I think that says something.
And the Dead Sea Scrolls also make claim that calling yourself "a son of god" was a common expression for Jews of the time. After all, aren't we all children of god. this is only a point of reference for what I said above.
Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:37 am
by Snorri1234
WidowMakers wrote:stuart133 wrote:Interestingly a long time ago a bunch of men got together and decided they would make a bit of cash. So they went round telling everyone that they had been visited by a "god" and he had told them how the world was made. Everyone was so intriged that they ignored the fact that they had just been conned into believing there was an invisible man in the sky and payed money to hear about the earth. Somehow that scam grew until people were spreading tales of this "god" all over the world. And still today people blindly belive that there is an invisible man in the sky and that he made the earth. Thus logic dictates that there is a "god". As long as you take the word god to mean massive scam!!!
If you are referring to the early church, most of those people had nothing.
They were persecuted.
The were stoned.
They were killed.
They did not make money.
Why on earth would people, who knew they were lying, who knew what they were saying was wrong, tell made up stories only to be killed?
Why on earth would they make up these stories and go thought such torture and anguish for a lie?
Ask yourslef this. If you made up a story to get peoples money and a person said they would kill you unless you admittedt is was a lie, what would you do. Would you die for something that you knew was false? I doubt it.
Then why did so many people die for something they knew was false? I argue that they died because they knew it was true (saw first hand) and were willing to give the ultimate sacrifice.
WM
Stupid and gullible people die all the time, check out any number of suicide-cults.
Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:12 am
by MeDeFe
Has anyone seen Jenos lately? There's a rather lengthy post on page 261 that needs replying to.
Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:24 am
by joecoolfrog
rocky mountain wrote:i think he's talking about the first people who "came up with the idea of a God". not the early church... i like that argument though
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stuart133 wrote:Interestingly a long time ago a bunch of men got together and decided they would make a bit of cash. So they went round telling everyone that they had been visited by a "god" and he had told them how the world was made. Everyone was so intriged that they ignored the fact that they had just been conned into believing there was an invisible man in the sky and payed money to hear about the earth. Somehow that scam grew until people were spreading tales of this "god" all over the world. And still today people blindly belive that there is an invisible man in the sky and that he made the earth. Thus logic dictates that there is a "god". As long as you take the word god to mean massive scam!!!
you talk about this like it is a known fact. you have no clue what soever. you probably made up that story (or you heard it from someone else who is a strong atheist). if this were true though like you say it is, then who would've started it? Adam? no. Noah? no. i also doubt that if someone made it up, they would bother to make all those stories about Adam and Noah, etc. for a lie.
an invisible man in the sky? no. do a little research about the religion your going to try and tell made up stories about before you do it. it will help you not get the idea wrong.
I know you are only 14 but I have rarely come across anybody who knew so little about his own religion so its fairly priceless criticising others.
Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:51 am
by Backglass
joecoolfrog wrote:I know you are only 14 but I have rarely come across anybody who knew so little about his own religion so its fairly priceless criticising others.
Every 14 year old know everything already. Wait until he is 20 and in college. Then ask him his opinions again.
Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:19 am
by rocky mountain
joecoolfrog wrote:rocky mountain wrote:i think he's talking about the first people who "came up with the idea of a God". not the early church... i like that argument though
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stuart133 wrote:Interestingly a long time ago a bunch of men got together and decided they would make a bit of cash. So they went round telling everyone that they had been visited by a "god" and he had told them how the world was made. Everyone was so intriged that they ignored the fact that they had just been conned into believing there was an invisible man in the sky and payed money to hear about the earth. Somehow that scam grew until people were spreading tales of this "god" all over the world. And still today people blindly belive that there is an invisible man in the sky and that he made the earth. Thus logic dictates that there is a "god". As long as you take the word god to mean massive scam!!!
you talk about this like it is a known fact. you have no clue what soever. you probably made up that story (or you heard it from someone else who is a strong atheist). if this were true though like you say it is, then who would've started it? Adam? no. Noah? no. i also doubt that if someone made it up, they would bother to make all those stories about Adam and Noah, etc. for a lie.
an invisible man in the sky? no. do a little research about the religion your going to try and tell made up stories about before you do it. it will help you not get the idea wrong.
I know you are only 14 but I have rarely come across anybody who knew so little about his own religion so its fairly priceless criticising others.
the invisible man in the sky thing? he's not. i know more about my religion than some people. i may not know a lot, but i know he's not just an invisible man in the sky.
Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:09 am
by joecoolfrog
rocky mountain wrote:joecoolfrog wrote:rocky mountain wrote:i think he's talking about the first people who "came up with the idea of a God". not the early church... i like that argument though
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stuart133 wrote:Interestingly a long time ago a bunch of men got together and decided they would make a bit of cash. So they went round telling everyone that they had been visited by a "god" and he had told them how the world was made. Everyone was so intriged that they ignored the fact that they had just been conned into believing there was an invisible man in the sky and payed money to hear about the earth. Somehow that scam grew until people were spreading tales of this "god" all over the world. And still today people blindly belive that there is an invisible man in the sky and that he made the earth. Thus logic dictates that there is a "god". As long as you take the word god to mean massive scam!!!
you talk about this like it is a known fact. you have no clue what soever. you probably made up that story (or you heard it from someone else who is a strong atheist). if this were true though like you say it is, then who would've started it? Adam? no. Noah? no. i also doubt that if someone made it up, they would bother to make all those stories about Adam and Noah, etc. for a lie.
an invisible man in the sky? no. do a little research about the religion your going to try and tell made up stories about before you do it. it will help you not get the idea wrong.
I know you are only 14 but I have rarely come across anybody who knew so little about his own religion so its fairly priceless criticising others.
the invisible man in the sky thing? he's not. i know more about my religion than some people. i may not know a lot, but i know he's not just an invisible man in the sky.
No you dont know, you have been told certain things and simply not questioned them .
Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:06 pm
by rocky mountain
he is not just an invisible man in the sky!! he's much more than that. he's not really even man... and he's in heaven, not the sky that we see everyday.
Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:10 pm
by joecoolfrog
rocky mountain wrote:he is not just an invisible man in the sky!! he's much more than that. he's not really even man... and he's in heaven, not the sky that we see everyday.
So if your so sure then prove it !
Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:18 pm
by rocky mountain
i can't, but you can't prove that he's just an invisible man in the sky either. so if your so sure that he is, then you prove it. i have strong faith that he is real. you probably have strong faith that he isn't. so lets just leave it at that. neither of us are going to change our minds...
Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:38 pm
by jay_a2j
joecoolfrog wrote:rocky mountain wrote:he is not just an invisible man in the sky!! he's much more than that. he's not really even man... and he's in heaven, not the sky that we see everyday.
So if your so sure then prove it !
Matthew 12:39
He answered, "A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign(proof)! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:49 pm
by protectedbygold
jay_a2j wrote:joecoolfrog wrote:rocky mountain wrote:he is not just an invisible man in the sky!! he's much more than that. he's not really even man... and he's in heaven, not the sky that we see everyday.
So if your so sure then prove it !
Matthew 12:39
He answered, "A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign(proof)! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
meaning what exactly? That if someone asks for proof they are wicked?
Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:01 pm
by Snorri1234
protectedbygold wrote:jay_a2j wrote:joecoolfrog wrote:rocky mountain wrote:he is not just an invisible man in the sky!! he's much more than that. he's not really even man... and he's in heaven, not the sky that we see everyday.
So if your so sure then prove it !
Matthew 12:39
He answered, "A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign(proof)! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
meaning what exactly? That if someone asks for proof they are wicked?
Yes they are not blindly accepting what the believers are saying so they are wicked. It's rather easy, since that way you don't actually have to have much of a discussion because you don't have to listen to fools and wicked men.
Yay for religion!
Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:29 am
by jay_a2j
Guys (and Gals) we don't have a whole lotta time left here. Things in this world are about to change, dramatically change.
Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:53 am
by joecoolfrog
jay_a2j wrote:Guys (and Gals) we don't have a whole lotta time left here. Things in this world are about to change, dramatically change.
Yet you spend what little time is left digging out conspiracy theories and ancient prophecies, way to waste a life
Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:01 am
by joecoolfrog
[quote="rocky mountain"]i can't, but you can't prove that he's just an invisible man in the sky either. so if your so sure that he is, then you prove it. i have strong faith that he is real. you probably have strong faith that he isn't. so lets just leave it at that. neither of us are going to change our minds...[
Good for you if you want your life ruled by imaginary creatures, if it starts happening to me I will know its time to cut down on the drugs and booze
Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:10 am
by jay_a2j
Username:
joecoolfrog
Rank:
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3128Games:
393 Completed, 110
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What I'd like to know is how you can have 3128 points, yet only have won 28% of your games?
I have won 50% of my games and only have around 1900 points.
Oh, and there is a God! (to keep this post on topic)
Re: Logic dictates that there is a God!
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:15 am
by Iliad
jay_a2j wrote:Username:
joecoolfrog
Rank:
Brigadier Brigadier
Score:
3128Games:
393 Completed, 110
(28%) Won | Find all games with joecoolfrog
What I'd like to know is how you can have 3128 points, yet only have won 28% of your games?
I have won 50% of my games and only have around 1900 points.
Oh, and there is a God! (to keep this post on topic)
6, 8 player games? Single player?