Game of Thrones Mafia 9/24 Night 6: End Game Vote 4 MVP

[boonetown]

while i understand what you are saying, you understand that if a mafia currently sits on the throne, and crasps says "so and so it on the throne" the mafia can say "no i'm not" and get him lynched?

i'm just saying, outting a name, regardless of the throne or not, doesnt really help town as much as it helps mafia. especially if they have a role that allows them to check a player and get their character name.

does that make sense?

[betiko]

I perfectly agree with boone and that was my point.

Boone, are you more interested in the hotshot case today than you were yesterday?

[betiko]

Strike, any chance you can update the activity watch list?

Haven t seen bunnies yet, but she is quite active so it must just be a week end thing (just saying it cause i was her activity watcher yesterday and she will likely be today too)

[pretender77]

does hotshot have experience in mafia....Im trying to figure out if where he is coming from with his slightly weird posts

[boonetown]

I perfectly agree with boone and that was my point.

Boone, are you more interested in the hotshot case today than you were yesterday?

yes, i will probably filter his posts today and read through them



PLEASE NOTE

i will be camping for Canada day (i leave tomorrow night and will be gone until the 4th) and i'm sure they have cell phone service there, so i will post, but will not be able to do as much as i could with a computer. quoting, etc.

[boonetown]

Not sure what is so important about the iron throne...

i do not understand how you can say that. you know what game we're playing, right?

please explain to me where you were coming from with this.

[boonetown]

##VOTE NO LYNCH

I havent caught up in the readings yet but Im glad we can talk in the night so I can go over my reads on what I think has happened today. Expect something in a couple hours just going to go shower and make some more food.

that's a long ass shower...

[betiko]

##VOTE NO LYNCH

I havent caught up in the readings yet but Im glad we can talk in the night so I can go over my reads on what I think has happened today. Expect something in a couple hours just going to go shower and make some more food.

that's a long ass shower...

It s not the shower.... It s the food!!!!!!

Ok but you aren t convinced of anything yet regarding hotshots, he s just high on your scum list? Just asking, as you made your scum list and I would be interested to know how big are your scum vibes.

[pancakemix]

Finally, I am back. I have read the thread and will reread and post soonish.

[charm]

Dear Mafia Dogs!
Your role blocking was totally wasted on me last night! Ha ha!!

Oh and I'm on to a couple of you now. I'll watch to see how things progress today...but you are warned that you better back off or I'll send out a secret note to the dog catchers!

[HotShot53]

Not sure what is so important about the iron throne...

i do not understand how you can say that. you know what game we're playing, right?

please explain to me where you were coming from with this.

What I mean, is that right now I don't know who has the throne, or where it's at... and as far as I know it doesn't affect me anyway, so I'm not sure if it needs a lot of focus. Maybe a third party cares, or someone gets a bonus if they kill whoever is on the throne or something... but I guess for me I'm seeing this as more mafia with a few quirks, rather than GoT using some mafia mechanics. So I think it's more important to find scum, rather than to find the throne.

does hotshot have experience in mafia....Im trying to figure out if where he is coming from with his slightly weird posts

I've played about 8 or so games on here over the last few months I think, and like 3-5 normal real life games over the years before this... so I have a little experience, but not extensive. What posts of mine have been weird?

[pancakemix]

I was not happy with the Crasp lynch from the start, it felt emotional to me, I put my vote there soley because Betiko was not going to get lynhced and I had to get a vote out. I thought that he would still get lynched when I unvoted as it was getting late and I was not expecting the activity that came in late yesterday. So a soft claim was enough for me to reassess my vote and put it where I thought the scum was. Maybe I jumped too fast, I should probably given crasp a bit more pressure to get more info out of him, I didnt realise how soft his claim was till I re read it again this morning. I think he is more town now that his claim has been expanded.

I'm very much of a mind to agree with those who show you contradicting yourself here. I could say that any number of people who voted crasp should be held accountable but you're trying very hard to do an about face on the whole thing.

FYI we need to be very careful in the next day phase about voting. I can EASILY see us getting L-3 and there being like a triple voter popping in there and lynching someone. Lets be careful

Curious as to why you're pointing this out.

Yeah, this is kind of an odd thing to wonder about. What makes you say this, pretender?

Dear Mafia Dogs!
Your role blocking was totally wasted on me last night! Ha ha!!

Oh and I'm on to a couple of you now. I'll watch to see how things progress today...but you are warned that you better back off or I'll send out a secret note to the dog catchers!

And to what end did you feel the need to reveal that?

[pretender77]

Dear Mafia Dogs!
Your role blocking was totally wasted on me last night! Ha ha!!

Oh and I'm on to a couple of you now. I'll watch to see how things progress today...but you are warned that you better back off or I'll send out a secret note to the dog catchers!

Normally you don't talk about night actions unless you have to...

[pretender77]

I was not happy with the Crasp lynch from the start, it felt emotional to me, I put my vote there soley because Betiko was not going to get lynhced and I had to get a vote out. I thought that he would still get lynched when I unvoted as it was getting late and I was not expecting the activity that came in late yesterday. So a soft claim was enough for me to reassess my vote and put it where I thought the scum was. Maybe I jumped too fast, I should probably given crasp a bit more pressure to get more info out of him, I didnt realise how soft his claim was till I re read it again this morning. I think he is more town now that his claim has been expanded.

I'm very much of a mind to agree with those who show you contradicting yourself here. I could say that any number of people who voted crasp should be held accountable but you're trying very hard to do an about face on the whole thing.

FYI we need to be very careful in the next day phase about voting. I can EASILY see us getting L-3 and there being like a triple voter popping in there and lynching someone. Lets be careful

Curious as to why you're pointing this out.

Yeah, this is kind of an odd thing to wonder about. What makes you say this, pretender?

Dear Mafia Dogs!
Your role blocking was totally wasted on me last night! Ha ha!!

Oh and I'm on to a couple of you now. I'll watch to see how things progress today...but you are warned that you better back off or I'll send out a secret note to the dog catchers!

And to what end did you feel the need to reveal that?

Well for one neb had 2 votes on the final vote count if im not mistaken

[charm]

Dear Mafia Dogs!
Your role blocking was totally wasted on me last night! Ha ha!!

Oh and I'm on to a couple of you now. I'll watch to see how things progress today...but you are warned that you better back off or I'll send out a secret note to the dog catchers!

And to what end did you feel the need to reveal that?

Sometimes dogs need to be told to sit and when they don't mind then they need be put down!!

[pancakemix]

Well for one neb had 2 votes on the final vote count if im not mistaken

Look again, it's not there. Think it was an error and mod fixed it.

[Nebuchadnezer]

while i understand what you are saying, you understand that if a mafia currently sits on the throne, and crasps says "so and so it on the throne" the mafia can say "no i'm not" and get him lynched?

i'm just saying, outting a name, regardless of the throne or not, doesnt really help town as much as it helps mafia. especially if they have a role that allows them to check a player and get their character name.

does that make sense?

But that means the player saying he was "not" on the throne to get Crasp lynched would also out themselves, if Crasp did flip town on a lynch. Without knowing the numbers, I'm not sure if a 1 for 1 trade is good in this game. I lean to yes. Especially, since Crasp's power is rather limited, right? If he knows who's on the throne, but never tells anyone, what the heck good is it?

Dear Mafia Dogs!
Your role blocking was totally wasted on me last night! Ha ha!!

Oh and I'm on to a couple of you now. I'll watch to see how things progress today...but you are warned that you better back off or I'll send out a secret note to the dog catchers!

So, do you have some mafia we can hang, or are you just screaming for attention?

I was not happy with the Crasp lynch from the start, it felt emotional to me, I put my vote there soley because Betiko was not going to get lynhced and I had to get a vote out. I thought that he would still get lynched when I unvoted as it was getting late and I was not expecting the activity that came in late yesterday. So a soft claim was enough for me to reassess my vote and put it where I thought the scum was. Maybe I jumped too fast, I should probably given crasp a bit more pressure to get more info out of him, I didnt realise how soft his claim was till I re read it again this morning. I think he is more town now that his claim has been expanded.

I'm very much of a mind to agree with those who show you contradicting yourself here. I could say that any number of people who voted crasp should be held accountable but you're trying very hard to do an about face on the whole thing.

I see why you bring up Crasp as Zivel jumped off him so quick. But Crasp was not lynched. So, we could focus on his wagon and whether or not there were legitimate reasons for voting him. I would be more curious to see if there was any cross over between Crasp and Firth. Let's be honest, that Firth wagon took off like a rocket, on the word of Betiko. Now, I'm pretty much done with Betiko's case, but let's look at some history...

End of votes Day 1

Current Vote Count
Voting ends 6/28 @ 16:00 CC time
Reminder any role pm actions must be in 1 hour before the dead line.

Mudpuppy(0): strike wolf
Strikewolf(0): Jmac1026
Epitaph(0): pretender77
Jak111(0): Charm, pancakemix
Jonty125(1): legionnare, jwiedlin
betiko (0): firth4eva, strike wolf, Army of God, Nebuchadnezer, jwiedlin, Jmac1026
27ninjabunnies (1): Iron Butterfly, Jak111
mtamburini (1) MudPuppy
Firth4eva (9): Betiko, strike wolf, Epitaph1, HotShot53, pancakemix, legionnare, kgb007, pretender77, jak111, crasp
crasp(3): Nebuchadnezer, HotShot53, Charm, Zivel, pretender77, jak111, jonty125, pershy
HotShot53(1): crasp, legionaire, jwiedlin, boonetown
Iron Butterfly (1): Zivel
jweidlin (1): 27ninjabunnies
Zivel (1): Nebuchadnezer

Voting No Lynch (1): mtamburini

Those who have do not have placed votes (0)
FANTASTIC EVERYONE PLACED A VOTE WOOOT!!!!

So, looking at the votes...Hotshot, pretender77 and jak111 all jumped from Crasp to Firth. Hotshot is already in a bit of a "hotseat" with some players. He's worth looking into. pretender and jak are also worth looking into, but maybe a step below Hotshot in this group.

It is interesting that Zivel also jumped onto Iron, who flipped town. I think this has been discussed along with other things Zivel has done, which is why he's my highest scum right now.

Also curious that mtamburini voted no lynch. I think he explained it as real life getting in the way.

So after all this, ##vote Zivel I'm picking up where I left off yesterday.

[pretender77]

Well for one neb had 2 votes on the final vote count if im not mistaken

Look again, it's not there. Think it was an error and mod fixed it.

Alright, that was the main think I was referencing. Thanks storm for fixing it

[strike wolf]

So a few things: first a complete list of what happened with the watch list yesterday (participated in purple. Those marked as inactive/semi-active at the time underlined):

1. MudPuppy>Jmac V-Jmac initially noted as inactive. Noted as posting more later.
2. Jmac1026>Pancake
3. pancakemix>Neb
4. Nebuchadnezer>Jak
5. Jak111>Hotshot VV
6. HotShot53>Crasp VV
7. Crasp>Strike
8. Strike Wolf>Charm
9. charm>Zivel
10. Zivel>Iron Butterfly
11. Iron Butterfly>Jonty
12. Jonty125>Army of God
13. Army of God >KGB
14. kgb007>Epitaph
15. Epitaph1>Jwiedlin
16. jwiedlin >Legion
17. legionnare>Pretender
18. pretender77 >Pershy
19. pershy>Tamburini
20. Mtamburini>Firth
21. firth4eva>Boone
22. boonetown>Betiko
23. betiko>27ninjas V
24. 27ninjabunnies >Mudpuppy

To be fair to Crasp, his watch was obviously very active . Tried to mark extra reports with a V but I guarantee I missed a few of them. I did not take in overnight ones.

New list:

1. MudPuppy>Jmac
2. Jmac1026>Pancake
3. pancakemix>Neb
4. Nebuchadnezer>Jak
5. Jak111>Hotshot
6. HotShot53>Crasp
7. Crasp>Strike
8. Strike Wolf>Charm
9. charm>Zivel
10. Zivel>Jonty
12. Jonty125>Army of God
13. Army of God >KGB
14. kgb007>Epitaph
15. Epitaph1>Jwiedlin
16. jwiedlin >Legion
17. legionnare>Pretender
18. pretender77 >Pershy
19. pershy>Tamburini
20. Mtamburini>Boone
22. boonetown>Betiko
23. betiko>27ninjas
24. 27ninjabunnies >Mudpuppy

@Betiko: Would you at least agree that the abilities given to the players so far (Bulletproof for the Mountain; Bodyguard for Brienne; even the Iron Throne role for Crasp though that's more debatable.) have fit the flavor of their characters?

@Boone: Any mafia that falsely claimed he did not have it would then be the top of the lynch for the next day. It's not worth the risk of doing that. Overall, I think I agree with Jak about having him say. it has its risks but they seem fairly small from what I am considering.

[jak111]

Dear Mafia Dogs!
Your role blocking was totally wasted on me last night! Ha ha!!

Oh and I'm on to a couple of you now. I'll watch to see how things progress today...but you are warned that you better back off or I'll send out a secret note to the dog catchers!

What's this all about? Dog catchers? Are you that guy from season 3/4 that is a complete torturer psychopath with the hunting dogs that rip people apart?

But no.. reading more into it, I am curious whether this is a slip of a soft claim. The last sentence is what I am talking about here. "Secret note" and "Dog catchers". It sounds like you have communication with more than just your city, unless you're a town mason that makes no sense at all. So that leaves two possibilities. That you're part of a 3rd party group or you're actually mafia yourself.

For now, I will FOS Charm as I don't think there's enough there to warrant a vote. But can you confirm/deny that you softed here? Or am I reading a bit too much into the last sentence?

FP'd by Strike

[legionnare]

So are we not going to talk a bit more about IB's death, was it a direct hit? If so who did IB clash with in D1.

Or was IB's death from protecting someone? In that case who do we think that IB would have protected and why was that person targeted?

Pretender has posted today.

[legionnare]

Dear Mafia Dogs!
Your role blocking was totally wasted on me last night! Ha ha!!

Oh and I'm on to a couple of you now. I'll watch to see how things progress today...but you are warned that you better back off or I'll send out a secret note to the dog catchers!

As for charm's post, look more closely at the first part. She knows that Mafia roleblocked her last night, does she know who did the deed?

[boonetown]

alright, i have voted no lynch just to be on the safe side until i have a chance to finish filtering a few people's posts. i still think hotshot might be the lynch but i'd like to make a better case after i get some more information.

when it comes to IB, i will say that i have a hunch i was the save, but that might just be me being full of myself. if it wasnt me, i have no idea who else i could have been. might not have been a save at all and could have just been targeted by the mafia. i brought up a question in my city QT that no one has bothered to respond to yet. i dont want to out my question here just yet tho.

[Zivel]

God, you know you have done something wrong when you have strike, pcm and neb on ya arse....

I'm very much of a mind to agree with those who show you contradicting yourself here. I could say that any number of people who voted crasp should be held accountable but you're trying very hard to do an about face on the whole thing..

I have already done an about face on the whole thing (changed my vote), I am just trying to explain why now....

I have said my piece about it all, don't think there is much more to explain. I made a bad call and I have explained why.

So I have some flak, lets see if I can get more.

Lets look at the Firth wagon:

Betiko: Didn't like that she was "jumping on the bandwagon" Interestingly Betiko says:

What someone does in the first place is try to get a claim before considering lynching someone.

but is serious about only ever claiming on his terms.
Strike: testing out whether his vote will count
PCM: didnt like that firths character didnt care about the iron throne.
crasp: solely on self preservation.
Jak: Claims that firths interest in the throne is dubious.....
Pretender: didn't have a reason, didnt say he was putting the vote in the main thread, just in the vote thread.
Epitaph1: Didn't like that firth was questioning Betiko
HotShot53: Firth was more scummy than me.
legionnare: Firth was more scummy than crasp

Now these are the best reasons that I have found that lynched firth. FFS people those are some weak arse reasons to create a wagon that just took off.

Out of it all I think Betiko looks the worst, but jak looks pretty bad. f*ck knows what's going on with Pretender, either lazy or dodgy. Strike basically left his test vote on firth till it was too late.

Couple of other things:
Jak: Not liking the obvious fishing for roles, cities and now where or who has the throne, this has been bad in our city as well, 3rd party or scum.
Betiko: He got 4 votes counted on him early day one, then stumped. Stump again today. Is an activated ability.
Charm: Not sure what the soft claim was all about, if she knows more about scum I would like to hear what she has to say.

[Zivel]

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