Conquer Club

I support Ron Paul. His philosophy is to RESPECT other nations and their own sovereignty by letting them practice it the way they see fit. Israel has plenty of nuclear weapons and one of the top Air Forces around the Middle East (well, theeee Top Air Force in the Middle East, since both the US and Israel have a tendency of wiping out everybody else's air forces). The best way we as Americans can support Israel is to let her practice that sovereignty, not by subsidizing their war machines. By doing that, Israel becomes more and more dependent on the United States and will never have true sovereignty.

And if the United States is such a GREAT ally of Israel, then why do we give more weapons and subsidies to her enemies than to her?

I do not believe we should be subsidizing any foreign government at this time, the simple truth is that we cannot afford to do it anymore. Not only are we going through an energy crisis at the moment, but do you know that in the very near future we are going to be going through a Social Security and Medicare crisis as well? America, from an American standpoint, has to come first; and all other nations must take a back burner in light of our present and imminent problems.

The best way to support Israel is to get out of the Middle East and let her defend herself. With us there, it is just making things worse for them. We should be supporting Israel by having a foreign policy of non-interventionism and peaceful trading practices, and bringing our troops home to protect our borders.

We just cannot afford trying to keep our empire afloat by having all these military bases in over 130 countries all around the world. We got the technology and the military might, let's don't use it to force the rest of the world to think just like us; that is a total discredit to their sovereignty in general, and is an abrupt attack upon their God given liberties.

Let Americans be Americans, Israelis be Israelis, Iraqis be Iraqis--just stop intervening in their affairs and practicing a policy of preemptive warfare! We need to establish peaceful trading relations with all nations again.

DaGip wrote:I support Ron Paul. His philosophy is to RESPECT other nations and their own sovereignty by letting them practice it the way they see fit. Israel has plenty of nuclear weapons and one of the top Air Forces around the Middle East (well, theeee Top Air Force in the Middle East, since both the US and Israel have a tendency of wiping out everybody else's air forces). The best way we as Americans can support Israel is to let her practice that sovereignty, not by subsidizing their war machines. By doing that, Israel becomes more and more dependent on the United States and will never have true sovereignty.

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Let Americans be Americans, Israelis be Israelis, Iraqis be Iraqis--just stop intervening in their affairs and practicing a policy of preemptive warfare! We need to establish peaceful trading relations with all nations again.

Yes, let's respect China's and the Chinese governments sovereignty to control the press and make it only report what they like, their right to occupy what was previously an independent nation, hell, even their right to invade Taiwan and reintegrate it as a part of Greater China. And let's respect Iran's and some other islamic countries' sovereignty and right to execute homosexuals and people who don't agree with the rulers' interpretation of the religion. Let's respect the sovereignty of African countries and allow dictators like Mugabe to stay in power indefinitely and to have people from other tribes massacred if he feels like it.

You know, that's a really great idea.

(humerous comment, copied below, deleted ... I was mistaken)

My answer is that you really need an "other" in this poll. This is not just a matter of "supporting" or "not supporting" Israel ... any more than discussion of Bush's policies necessitates being "for" or "against" the US as a whole.

Some things they do/have done make sense. Other things are completely wrong. And, the debate is made FAR worse by the tendency of Jews (not just Isrealis) throughout the world to want to reduce this to a simple "for US or against US". (never mind that one CAN be truly "against Israel" as a modern political entity, and NOT be "against Jews" ... or even the evendual return of Jews to Israel, but under different terms).

PLAYER57832 wrote:24 pages in just a few hours .... I think we have a record for the fastest moving thread, if nothing else!!!

Uhm...this thread is old.

PLAYER57832 wrote:24 pages in just a few hours .... I think we have a record for the fastest moving thread, if nothing else!!!

the OP wrote:Israel.... For or Against?

by jay_a2j on Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:11 pm
Do you support Israel or not?

Sorry to disappoint you, but this thread was bumped.

MeDeFe wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:24 pages in just a few hours .... I think we have a record for the fastest moving thread, if nothing else!!!

the OP wrote:Israel.... For or Against?

by jay_a2j on Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:11 pm
Do you support Israel or not?

Sorry to disappoint you, but this thread was bumped.

I misread the " last post" time ... My bad!!! I will edit, to save folks' effort at further correction.

MeDeFe wrote:Yes, let's respect China's and the Chinese governments sovereignty to control the press and make it only report what they like

You'd be surprised to know how much of this goes on in the US.

jay_a2j wrote:

MeDeFe wrote:Yes, let's respect China's and the Chinese governments sovereignty to control the press and make it only report what they like

You'd be surprised to know how much of this goes on in the US.

I think it's more surprising that so few are protesting against it.

MeDeFe wrote:

DaGip wrote:I support Ron Paul. His philosophy is to RESPECT other nations and their own sovereignty by letting them practice it the way they see fit. Israel has plenty of nuclear weapons and one of the top Air Forces around the Middle East (well, theeee Top Air Force in the Middle East, since both the US and Israel have a tendency of wiping out everybody else's air forces). The best way we as Americans can support Israel is to let her practice that sovereignty, not by subsidizing their war machines. By doing that, Israel becomes more and more dependent on the United States and will never have true sovereignty.

[...]

Let Americans be Americans, Israelis be Israelis, Iraqis be Iraqis--just stop intervening in their affairs and practicing a policy of preemptive warfare! We need to establish peaceful trading relations with all nations again.

Yes, let's respect China's and the Chinese governments sovereignty to control the press and make it only report what they like...

LOL! They already do in their neck of the woods, and as Jay said, so do we. Just go to another country and you will always get biased news reports. Europeans HATE American news, because of how biased it is. You are in communism, it is just draped with a fake respect to some archaic paper document that some of you call the Constitution. Only the American government would call you free and yet tap all your fucking phones and filter all your emails and CC forums through their super hyper computer so they can make a future black list of all the individuals and their families that are going to rise up in the Revolution and kick their sorry asses back to what ever foreign countries they pledge allegiance to! But it ain't to this United States of America.

The Phoenix is Burning...

MeDeFe wrote:

jay_a2j wrote:

MeDeFe wrote:Yes, let's respect China's and the Chinese governments sovereignty to control the press and make it only report what they like

You'd be surprised to know how much of this goes on in the US.

I think it's more surprising that so few are protesting against it.

They are watching Fox ... everything is OK.

I'm for them.They are a good Freind and Alli and Gods chosen people, and I say we should all be praying for them because its hard for them to fight back because everyone has so much hate in there hearts all thanks to satin.When they get bombed people think nothing of it,but when they fight back people say :Hey! Israel is is being Bad!:So think about it.PS God Bless Israel!!!

Don't you hate satinists?

I can never tell if these people are serious, or just fucking with me.

jonesthecurl wrote:Don't you hate satinists?

Smooth criminals.

spurgistan wrote:

jonesthecurl wrote:Don't you hate satinists?

Smooth criminals.

Seams so.

(humerous comment, copied below, deleted ... I was mistaken)

I don't know how a grievious error like that could have happened.

2dimes wrote:25 pages in just a few hours!

Kind of replicates the real thing, ehh? [wink, wink, nudge, nudge]

I was imitating Timminz imitation.

I lol'd.

2dimes wrote:25 pages in just a few hours!

Try 4 years.

It really depends on the issue. In some things.. sure, support them. In other things.. no way.
They are here to stay, regardless.

What if they get blowed up by Iran? Still, "here to stay."?

Nevar. They are replicating the drama inflicted in WW2 against the palestinian. Free Palestina!