Conquer Club

Leitz wrote:So yeah, I think she's still "Wife Ginger" Town Survivor.

Thank you for responding, but I still wonder, as the mod did not specify "Wife Ginger"'s role, if it has possibly changed, and omitting any mention of the role is deliberate??

Iron Butterfly had decided he would like to finish the game up. So Iron Butterfly is replacing himself...

Told ya so. Is all I can say.

I am Town. I would not have argued with Rodion the way I did if I was Mafia. He would not let me go because he knew I was right about him and I had him pegged.

Zimmah was hung for the case lietz brought against him AND but more so for his silly claim. The claim smelled bad and we were right.

This is who I beleive are Town. Leits and Cat. Mob deadly I would like to think is town but anything is possible.

Welcome back IB, what made you change your mind?

I'm not going to comment on the Rodion ruling but good luck those who share my win condition

Leitz wrote:Welcome back IB, what made you change your mind?

Ill discuss after the game

I'm back haha. I tried to read everything that was going on, but received a headache 4 minutes in. So, with that being said I am going to play my game from what is being said from here on out.

I do recommend you read the whole of D1 over, maybe you will find something the rest of us looked over as we only read part by part and you get to see the whole thing in one go..

I am trying for sure.

Iron Butterfly wrote:Zimmah was hung for the case lietz brought against him AND but more so for his silly claim. The claim smelled bad and we were right.

Yep, that was definitely a silly claim, so much so that he couldn't save himself once the claim was made. Just curious though, if you think the lynching was (partially) due to the case that Leitz brought against him, why is it that you feel Leitz is town and not Mafia?

LOL RODION WAS MAFIA XD Kill the new recruit now!

Sundog308 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:Zimmah was hung for the case lietz brought against him AND but more so for his silly claim. The claim smelled bad and we were right.

Yep, that was definitely a silly claim, so much so that he couldn't save himself once the claim was made. Just curious though, if you think the lynching was (partially) due to the case that Leitz brought against him, why is it that you feel Leitz is town and not Mafia?

Ironicly Rodion helped in that decision. He asked Zimmah what his investigation revealed. Zimmah said Leitz came up as Town.

I was the one who pointed fingers at Zimmah for siding with Rodion. At first it was just me against Rodion. Then it was Zimmah piling on me followed by jonty. Leitz was very smart in how he drew attention away from Rodion and I and put it on Zimmah. Zimmah did himself no favors in his defense.

The point is Zimmah could have said anything. After all the angst and anger, he cleared the person who brought the case against him. Zimmah could have said Rodion was Town if he wished.

That is why I beleive leitz is Town

Just to get things back on track again: I have a slight suspicion on Sundog being the third mafia player. It's a guts feeling, nothing in particular..

Leitz wrote:Just to get things back on track again: I have a slight suspicion on Sundog being the third mafia player. It's a guts feeling, nothing in particular..

I had those same thoughts initially, but there are a lot of things that convinced me that hes town now. Ill look for quotes that shifted my thoughts on him

Lol, I forgot that Rodion was the one who asked Zimmah about his investigation. I don't know that I would trust what Zimmah said though. I remember thinking when I first read that comment, before the mod kill and everything else that happened, why should we believe him? Zimmah went out in a blaze of.... something, but it wasn't glory. He was pissed at town and made a ridiculous claim because he didn't think town was smart enough to reason for itself if he had been honest. I do not believe we should think he was honest about his investigation.

Now, I'm not saying that at this point I believe Leitz is mafia, I just don't believe that Zimmah told the truth about his investigation. And honestly, these thoughts are not a knee-jerk reaction to Leitz saying he is suspicious of me. I'm not questioning his suspicion (though I'd like to hear more about why he thinks I'm mafia), I'm questioning the validity of Zimmah's investigation report.

skillfusniper33 wrote:Then behind the counter, someone had hidden themselves in the cabinets and waited until his target passed by him. Once he had seen him slip by he crept out and stalked him to the bathroom. Where he finally confronted him, and before the victim could explain himself he had a knife between his ribs.

Jonty125 “Manipulator” Mafia Vote Stealer has been killed

I want to know who killed Jonty. I know the poisoner is dead, so it wasn't him. Is this something that Wife Ginger could have done as payback after Mafia killed PCM (assuming it was actually mafia that completed that death)? I don't think she was revived until the end of the night though. So do we have another third party killer in addition to the poisoner role? Who is it that carries a knife and doesn't allow his victim to explain himself? And most mysteriously of all..... why the bathroom...!!! (Insert big scary movie dissonant music chords here)

unlike others i actually tried to help town. yet, you still continue painting me black even after my death proved i'm town aligned. seriously?

zimmah wrote:unlike others i actually tried to help town. yet, you still continue painting me black even after my death proved i'm town aligned. seriously?

It's not because this is about me, but I agree with zimmah here. I think he almost smashed his keyboard & PC out of frustration. I don't agree with the way he played his role, but in the end he did turn town and he did investigate me the first night. I really don't understand why he would lie about who is guilty or not when he was on the verge of being killed and could help a D2 lynch for town. You've just made yourself even more suspicious in my eyes!

Zimmah You are dead. Quiet.

Iron Butterfly wrote:Zimmah You are dead. Quiet.

you're not the mod, and the rules don't even state i should be quiet, suck it up princess.

zimmah wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:Zimmah You are dead. Quiet.

you're not the mod, and the rules don't even state i should be quiet, suck it up princess.

Just make sure it is nothing relevant to the game zimmah.

skillfusniper33 wrote:

zimmah wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:Zimmah You are dead. Quiet.

you're not the mod, and the rules don't even state i should be quiet, suck it up princess.

Just make sure it is nothing relevant to the game zimmah.

Too late. He posted to get people to believe he really meant it when he said Leitz was innocent. If he is believed, irreparable damage has been caused.

But don't worry: you won't see me begging for a town modkill.

Your actions spoke for themselves.

You lost. THAT is the issue.

Your dead.

Buh by

Leitz wrote: I don't agree with the way he played his role, but in the end he did turn town and he did investigate me the first night.

Quick noob question. Does the person being investigated normally know that they have been investigated?

Rodion wrote:

skillfusniper33 wrote:

zimmah wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:Zimmah You are dead. Quiet.

you're not the mod, and the rules don't even state i should be quiet, suck it up princess.

Just make sure it is nothing relevant to the game zimmah.

Too late. He posted to get people to believe he really meant it when he said Leitz was innocent. If he is believed, irreparable damage has been caused.

But don't worry: you won't see me begging for a town modkill.

No but you had no problem taking advantage of him. You were killed for your scummy behavior. You were mod killed because you deserved to be. You hate that you lost that battle so your trying to muck it up as best ya can. Do you haunt court cases you lose?

I had always heard you where a player of integrity. Now I just see sour grapes. Please move on.

Well, it looks good for town with two Mafia and one Third Party dead, but I wish we knew more here...

Reflecting on the argument that Leitz was cleared just before night 2 began: I have to agree that Zimmah might not have been in the best frame of mind to help town at that point in time. Also, Zimmah could indeed have investigated Leitz, and gotten an innocent result due to some interference from another role... So while I would love to believe that Leitz is town, I feel that we can't be certain of it.

Is deuceswild for sure town? Because the poisoner is dead, the lover pairing is, what, defunct? So the role can't go back to exactly it's original form, and only the name, not the role, was specified by the mod. If one thing isn't the same as before, other things could also be different. I can't be certain deuceswild is town.

Iron Butterfly: It would be very easy to believe IB is town; why would IB and Rodion try so hard to get each other lynched unless one or both were town? However, both are clever players. Wouldn't it be clever to stage a bitter fight to the death, and when one is killed, the town totally believes that the survivor is town? A dangerous gambit, as they lose one of their own, but if they win in the end, worth it? I can't be certain IB is town.

I'm still thinking about the night scene, and about the other players besides Leitz, deuceswild, and Iron Butterfly, but I wanted to at least do a partial post.