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Re: The All Comers Cup [ACC] - Third Round

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 6:55 am
by Razorvich
Forwarded message from [player]eddie2[/player]


eddie2 wrote:
ok i have read the aod gg challenge thread there are some major concerns regarding all of this.

player deadbeating a game.
ok poker club was a remade game but why here is the rule covering this.

Missed Turns in a No Spoils Game
Missed turns in no spoils will not be scrutinized or result in any penalty (it is very rare for an advantage to be gained).


and this.
Deadbeating
Deadbeating will not be considered to be a deliberate act unless evidence is provided to the contrary (e.g. evidence of the player turns being taken in other games when they could have taken place in the game in question). As with deliberate missed turns / 'time outs', the opposing team will be automatically awarded a victory for the game in question if strong evidence is proivided. .


now none of the above 2 happened. what was offered was a remake or the win. but the option should also of fallen into the missing of turns where no punishment was issued. but this was not offered.

the we come to the late issueing of games.
If deadlines are not met for creating games then the Tournament Organiser will create random games (escalating, chained, sunny) and randomly assign invites to the relevent clan members (but giving the opposition the time they would normally have been provided with - see above). Failure of clan members to accept invites at this stage (or accept then drop) will result in the game being awarded to the opposition.


now dj's excuse for not following his own rules was several clans were late in the issueing of these. at this exact moment in time the rule has not been changed. so why was the punishment not issued during the war. dj is a tourney mod and if this had of happened during a tourney the organiser would of been in trouble for inacurate details. aod have every right to be angry at djs running of this event and i feel clan directors should be looking at weather there should be medals awarded because this mtourney has not been run according to the rules.

Re: The All Comers Cup [ACC] - Third Round

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:09 am
by Teflon Kris
:roll: :roll:

[spoiler= Special Response for Eddie]Durr, eddie, these are rules added after round 2, in case we have a repest of the whinging we had there!

:roll: :roll:

Durr, the missed-turn rule, which was there:
In spoils games, if a missed-turn or 'time out' appears to have deliberately occurred to gain an advantage, then the opposing team will be automatically awarded a victory for the game in question. In extreme circumstances, an appeal may be considered. Decisions will be at the discretion of the Tournamanet Organisers.


:roll: :roll:

Durr, late games, durr, you make the point yourself. It would have been less satisfactory to impose the rule in nearly all of the first round ties and half of the second round ties. There would have been 15 pages in each tie's thread to deal with!

:roll: :roll:

Durr, remake, durr - it was not offerred. The MOW's both suggested it.

:roll: :roll:

Please provide evidence of how the deadbeat's missed turns were deliberate, or any other break of rules at the time, that has not already been covered time and time again in the relevent thread.

Thanks

:roll: :roll:

P.S. Thanks for joining the bitch-fest eddie. A man would join it himself rather than sending a henchman. ;) [/spoiler]

Re: The All Comers Cup [ACC] - Third Round

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 6:24 pm
by Agent 86
DJ, eddie2 is currently serving a forum ban..I understand. So he had one of his friend forward his message. Still I don't think it was really his area of concern. Now back to Round 3..gl all

86

Re: The All Comers Cup [ACC] - Third Round

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:22 am
by eggrollonedolla
No predictions yet....interesting... :twisted:

Re: The All Comers Cup [ACC] - Third Round

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:08 am
by Ickyketseddie
Probably because Half of the underdogs got through the last round!

See you in the final by the way! :P :lol:

Re: The All Comers Cup [ACC] - Third Round

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:09 pm
by The Voice
eggrollonedolla wrote:No predictions yet....interesting... :twisted:


I wouldn't be surprised to see MM vs. FOED in the finals. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised of much of anything lately.

Re: The All Comers Cup [ACC] - Third Round

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:15 pm
by QoH
The Voice wrote:
eggrollonedolla wrote:No predictions yet....interesting... :twisted:


I wouldn't be surprised to see MM vs. FOED in the finals. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised of much of anything lately.

I actually would put e-money on PIGS... of course, I have a good chance of losing my e-dollars. But I think they have what it takes to upset FOED. Then again, if they beat FOED, I think they'll win it all.

Re: [ACC] The All Comers Cup - Third Round

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:29 pm
by TheMissionary
Round 4 Advancers
MM
LOW
LEG
FOED

Re: [ACC] The All Comers Cup - Third Round

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:34 pm
by padsta
my predictions

MM
LOW
BOFM
PIGS (a little biased here though ;) )

Re: The All Comers Cup [ACC] - Third Round

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:57 am
by joe snuffy
QoH wrote:
The Voice wrote:
eggrollonedolla wrote:No predictions yet....interesting... :twisted:


I wouldn't be surprised to see MM vs. FOED in the finals. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised of much of anything lately.

I actually would put e-money on PIGS... of course, I have a good chance of losing my e-dollars. But I think they have what it takes to upset FOED. Then again, if they beat FOED, I think they'll win it all.


PIGS take all. Troof. I will agree, kind sir.

Tournament Update

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:00 am
by Teflon Kris
All games for the 3rd round have now been created,

Good luck to all

:D

Re: Tournament Update

Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 7:01 am
by anonymus
DJ Teflon wrote:All games for the 3rd round have now been created,

Good luck to all

:D


is it me who is a complete 'tard or is there no thread for our war? (or atleast no link to it)

/ :?:

Re: Tournament Update

Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 7:18 am
by Ickyketseddie
anonymus wrote:
DJ Teflon wrote:All games for the 3rd round have now been created,

Good luck to all

:D


is it me who is a complete 'tard or is there no thread for our war? (or atleast no link to it)

/ :?:


http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=441&t=156167 :D

Re: [ACC] The All Comers Cup - Third Round

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:28 am
by Nola_Lifer
Rules check. If a singles goes to 30 rounds then there is no winner for that game correct? So in which case someone could win the set 2-1?

Re: [ACC] The All Comers Cup - Third Round

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:44 am
by Teflon Kris
Nola_Lifer wrote:Rules check. If a singles goes to 30 rounds then there is no winner for that game correct? So in which case someone could win the set 2-1?


Correctamundo sir - to be precise, the game is a draw if there is no result by the end of the 30th round (or 25th in team games).

Re: [ACC] The All Comers Cup - Third Round

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:16 am
by Leehar
why not use round limits to make sure it's decided by then?

Re: [ACC] The All Comers Cup - Third Round

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:04 am
by Nola_Lifer
Leehar wrote:why not use round limits to make sure it's decided by then?


There is round limits set on the games. I just wanted to make sure it was clear for 1v1's

Re: [ACC] The All Comers Cup - Third Round

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:00 pm
by jghost7
There are no need for game deciding round limits. It is set in the rules where the games will be called a draw if not completed by the specified round. The game may proceed on and the winner may receive points but the results only count for the challenge if it is completed prior to stated round limits.

Re: [ACC] The All Comers Cup - Third Round

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:43 pm
by Leehar
Which is complex as hell, so just institute round limits so the game is decided by that point instead of making them draws needlessly?

Re: [ACC] The All Comers Cup - Third Round

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:03 pm
by nippersean
Leehar wrote:Which is complex as hell, so just institute round limits so the game is decided by that point instead of making them draws needlessly?


Shutup Leehar - if you find the simple rules "complex as hell" collect stamps. Are you actually in this compo??

Re: [ACC] The All Comers Cup - Third Round

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:18 pm
by TheMissionary

Re: [ACC] The All Comers Cup - Third Round

Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:53 pm
by stahrgazer
Leehar wrote:Which is complex as hell, so just institute round limits so the game is decided by that point instead of making them draws needlessly?


Calling a draw is actually more fair than declaring a winner, depending on the setting used in the game. For example, by 30 rounds in an escalating game with higher spoils cashes, round 31 may reverse who was winning in round 30.

Regardless, I can't see how calling a draw vs. calling a winner makes this complex.

Updates

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:01 pm
by Teflon Kris

Update

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 7:41 pm
by Teflon Kris

Re: [ACC] The All Comers Cup - Third Round

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:39 am
by WPBRJ
DYNASTY locked it up today