CC is declining again!

[Thorthoth]

It is nice having fewer users on the site. I like the friendly 'small town' feel of the place. Very cozy.

[Mr_Adams]

It is nice having fewer users on the site. I like the friendly 'small town' feel of the place. Very cozy.

That may be nice for the forums, but the game relies on variety

[Army of GOD]

6068

[andretrepa]

Hello Friends,

Let me say first of all I am a friend of PaulatPeace’s. I have borrowed this account to make a statement that will hopefully give you some pause to consider what I am about to tell say. I am not Paul himself but am basing what I am going to say on conversations I have had with him and also on basic principles of reasonable conduct and what I have come to recognize as right and wrong. I am not familiar with all that has transpired on this site up to this point except what Paul has told me. I do however know Paul pretty well and believe he is an honest person of integrity. Some of the things I will point out here should be able to be verified on this site. Others should simply appeal to one’s common sense and also the sense of how you would wish to be treated yourself by others. I understand that some of you just don’t like PaulatPeace. Others of you don’t care for the way he would keep on standing up for what he believed in. Whatever your persuasion, all I ask is that you look candidly at what I have to say, and ask yourself if what was done to Paul seems fair and right.

First, let me offer a basic premise most people in free countries all over the globe would agree on. This premise basically says that just because you own a web site, that doesn’t give you free reign to do whatever you wish to people who enter or join the site. This site is owned by a corporation based in California, USA. There are certain standards for corporations based in the USA and certain established protocols which must be adhered to. For example, If you start a restaurant where you present yourself open to the public and sell meals for which patrons pay money, you cannot just treat the people who enter your restaurant any way you want to. You cannot deny them seating because of the color of their skin. When they are seated, if you discover they are a Buddhist or Mormon, you cannot refuse to serve them. If they tell you they don’t care for the tables are arranged or that they don’t like color of the carpet, you cannot just boot them out onto the street.

Possibly, you may see my point here. You can’t just do what you want to the people who visit your business, whether that be a restaurant in this great country, or a gaming site people pay money to join. Things were done to PaulatPeace that should not have been done to anyone here

I will now list some of these things:

- When Paul posted his Farewell remarks using the account of a friend and mentor of his (General Pat), the administration of this site entered General Pat’s account (although they did not have his password) and changed Paul’s words to make fun of him in a mean and ugly way, disparaging his character and distorting what he said. They may have felt justified in what they did and there may be some of you who agree with them, but tell me this, how does it make you feel that the administrators on this site can enter anyone’s account at any time they wish and do or say anything they want to. Your accounts are supposed to be private accounts only you have access to or those you give your password to. Clearly this is not the case and each of you are in jeopardy of this happening to you, your friends or your clan.

- When Paul was prohibited from having access to his account and banned permanently from this site, he was given one reason for this being done. He was told that the mods and admins running this site that they just could not spend their valuable time dealing with him any longer and that he was just too much of a disruption. Ok, I get it that Paul probably said things that threatened their authority and the status quo they had established and wanted to protect. But I have seen some of the posts on this site. I have witnessed the vulgarity, the name calling, the disparaging remarks directed towards Paul and others by many players. So Paul brings up points he feels are relevant and fact based. Even if you don’t share his views or agree with him, does this mean you have the right to take away his access to the account he paid for and ban him from the site because you don’t agree with him? Did Paul use gross profanity on a regular basis. Did he make racist or sexist remarks? Did he ever degrade another player and suggest they be banned from this site because he disagreed with their point of view? No friends, he did not He simply voiced his opinion, which he had a right to do, and as others do all the time.



- Paul was accused of grossly abusing other players on this site by inviting players to games on a map he was proficient at. Those of you not familiar with the accusations may not be aware that Paul was never found guilty of these accusations. It was even stated by the individual making the judgement of his guilt or innocence that all he did was invite higher ranked players to these games and these players were fully capable of refusing to join the games or not. You may also not be aware that with every invitation sent, Paul ALWAYS told everyone that he was very skilled on the map (Antartica) he was inviting them to and offered to answer their questions about the map itself if they had any. Paul had reached the rank of Conqueror at this time and many players would jump at the chance to play a Conqueror. When Paul would win a game he gained an average of about 8 points. When he lost a game (which did happen from time to time) he would lose 45 - 50 points. There are numerous players on this site that specialize in specific maps. When players join games with them they do so willingly and without coercion. They usually lose these games, but it is always their choice and their decision to join the games or not. Paul ultimately was not found guilty, but did receive a warning which he completely followed. Look at the record. Look at the evidence. Although this was not the reason Paul was banned from this site, the way he was treated by his accusers and all the others who jumped on that bandwagon was despicable. Things were said that were blatantly untrue, and all these thing were said while Paul was not even permitted to answer his accusers. So I ask you this, how would you feel if this was done to you? How would you feel if you were accused of abusing players who were by no means newbies to the site and you had been completely honest and straight with when inviting them to games?

- The Clan which Paul created (The Omega Pantheon) has been the most successful clan this last year according to a clan ranking system referred to by this site as the F400 Ranking. For the last
2 ½ years Paul has poured his heart and soul into this clan as it’s founder and chief leader. He spent countless hours developing strategies and methods by which his new clan could rise to the top of the clan world. The principles of Honor & Integrity which were the foundational values this clan was built upon were his values and his inspiration. Yet, when Paul was banned from this site, the administration removed his name as a Leader of his clan and eventually removed his name entirely from the clan roster, all without permission of the current Leaders of his clan. Whether you agree with Paul or not, whether you feel he was dead wrong or justly right, whether you thought he was just a pain in the butt or someone who stood up for what he believed in------- how would you feel if you had poured yourself into the creation and development of a very successful clan, only to be removed from the clan’s records, not by the current clan leaders, but by the site administrators who have no business messing with a clan’s roster?

I pose these sincere questions to you brothers and sisters. Ask yourself how you would feel if this were done to you, or your friends or your clan mates. No matter what you think of an individual, there is a right way everyone deserves to be treated, and then there is the way Paul was treated by this site

[Kid Moe]

down to 6000 and counting.........the number one complaint on this site is the dice and in typical politician fashion the powers to be remain hard headed and refuse to do anything about it to make it better.......MORONS!!

cc will be a thing of the past pretty soon

I will save 30.00 a year then

[Thorthoth]

The players that blame the dice are the ones we should get rid of... Continue forward on that front.

Positive changes might include making the panel display optional, improving the Freemium experience (F.R.O.A.C.), celebrating free speech, separating game foeing from chat foeing and then eliminating the latter, replacing the numeric rating system with written critiques of players by players in the Forums that would link both to player's walls and to the games in question. Actual cheating would still be dealt with in C&A but with clearer and less arbitrary rulings and mor epublic presentation of evidence.

[owenshooter]

The players that blame the dice are the ones we should get rid of...

i agree 100%!!!

The dice suck.

the black jesus has spoken...-Jésus noir

[Thorthoth]

Assuming that second quote is even real, I'm sure it is taken out of context. Nice try, BJ.
(BJ = bumbling joker).

[Kid Moe]

The players that blame the dice are the ones we should get rid of... Continue forward on that front.

Positive changes might include making the panel display optional, improving the Freemium experience (F.R.O.A.C.), celebrating free speech, separating game foeing from chat foeing and then eliminating the latter, replacing the numeric rating system with written critiques of players by players in the Forums that would link both to player's walls and to the games in question. Actual cheating would still be dealt with in C&A but with clearer and less arbitrary rulings and mor epublic presentation of evidence.

Free speech is a big reason why people are leaving......big reason, so is foeing someone.....lot of people have left because of being foed. I tell ya the fact that I can't write a critique about someone.....man that is unreal.......makes me never want to play again, the only complaint people have had on this site forever is the dice......that one's been around since day one and since day one nothing has really been done.......an adjustment here or there but really nothing. But instead cc is down at least 6000 people and counting!!!

Great Job!!

[Little Witt]

Provide an option for freestyle games to not have an hour delay for casual. At least for private...CC and freestyle is something that the board game version can never provide as well. If I want to sit down, however, with some friends who don't want to pay for premium, because they are only playing the one time, why force us to wait an hour when we are all ready then. I miss the days when freestyle casual games started immediately. Please bring those back.

[DirtyDishSoap]

The players that blame the dice are the ones we should get rid of... Continue forward on that front.

Positive changes might include making the panel display optional, improving the Freemium experience (F.R.O.A.C.), celebrating free speech, separating game foeing from chat foeing and then eliminating the latter, replacing the numeric rating system with written critiques of players by players in the Forums that would link both to player's walls and to the games in question. Actual cheating would still be dealt with in C&A but with clearer and less arbitrary rulings and mor epublic presentation of evidence.

Free speech is a big reason why people are leaving......big reason, so is foeing someone.....lot of people have left because of being foed. I tell ya the fact that I can't write a critique about someone.....man that is unreal.......makes me never want to play again, the only complaint people have had on this site forever is the dice......that one's been around since day one and since day one nothing has really been done.......an adjustment here or there but really nothing. But instead cc is down at least 6000 people and counting!!!

Great Job!!

Why would someone leave because they were foed? I fail to see the reasoning behind it. If player x is a notorious dick to others, or to one particular player, then the latter shouldn't have to put up with that non sense. How is this even free speech? Do people go to public places and scream and yell like children about shit? I'd hope not, because chances are they'd be barred from places as well. The foe button should stay. Don't want to be foed? Don't be a dick. Easy.

On the topic of free speech, this is the internet, and this site is technically privately owned. What the owner says, goes. I use to think I had rights on here...When I was like 17/18. The reality is, we don't have rights, we have privileges. We're paying customers to enjoy a game and have to adhere to what the user agreement is. Same things apply to the real word and any public establishment. No idea why y'all think the internet suddenly grants you superfluous rights that you normally wouldn't get, say, at a restaurant or the work place, but whatever, live your dreams.

Other than that, I really do wish the feedback system would go back to actual critique, instead of this 5 star "grade your homework paper", system. Not that it's driving away people or the sole cause of the problems, just my gripe. Real reasoning I believe is lack of A. Advertisement, and B. Rough competition. IE - Xbox, PS4, PC, more interaction with games, Facebook. There isn't a whole of interaction here other than interacting with others through the forum or chat. Not a lot of people have patience for these sit and wait games now a days, and now in a way, we're competing against Facebook in terms of media. Why bother with a forum when you can go to Facebook and bullshit with your colleagues, or start groups with fellow thinkers?

There's a lot more variables to consider of why CC is in "decline" then simply the dice, or a foe system, or site's owner, or whatever anyone typically complains about on here.

[Mr_Adams]

replacing the numeric rating system with written critiques of players by players in the Forums that would link both to player's walls and to the games in question.

I would be for bringing this back. Some good shit used to come out of the player feedback system.

[TeeGee]

Had a mini boom yesterday, 6170 right now

[riskllama]

Had a mini boom yesterday, 6170 right now

huzzah!

[jusplay4fun]

I think that what {...noted...corrected my error, here, 7/7/17...}... DSD says here has a lot of merit. Sure, it is easy to BLAME the boogie man, or Russia, or the Communists. But life is NOT that simple. There are many reasons for the decline of CC. To blame dice or being Foe'd is over-simplification.

Just look at what is happening with TV watching. There are changes and many are coming quickly: Hulu, NetFlix, Amazon Prime, JUS to name a few....and more I know nothing about. There are 1) changes and 2) More options for viewers. The same for game playing: more options as technology offers these and offers even more changes coming soon.

CC will have a core of players who are "lifers", some who will be here for a few years, and many who come and go. Can CC offer enough to make this valuable for enough paying customers so that the owner(s) can make a reasonable profit for this service?

QUESTION: are you a thermometer (merely putting your finger in the air to measure the temperature) or are you a thermostat, willing to do something to keep and encourage more players here? Are you being a shithead and causing others to want to leave (or Foe you) or are you encouraging good competition, fair play, and good discussion?

The world (and CC) has enough thermometers, IMO.

JusPlay4Fun

The players that blame the dice are the ones we should get rid of... Continue forward on that front.

Positive changes might include making the panel display optional, improving the Freemium experience (F.R.O.A.C.), celebrating free speech, separating game foeing from chat foeing and then eliminating the latter, replacing the numeric rating system with written critiques of players by players in the Forums that would link both to player's walls and to the games in question. Actual cheating would still be dealt with in C&A but with clearer and less arbitrary rulings and mor epublic presentation of evidence.

Free speech is a big reason why people are leaving......big reason, so is foeing someone.....lot of people have left because of being foed. I tell ya the fact that I can't write a critique about someone.....man that is unreal.......makes me never want to play again, the only complaint people have had on this site forever is the dice......that one's been around since day one and since day one nothing has really been done.......an adjustment here or there but really nothing. But instead cc is down at least 6000 people and counting!!!

Great Job!!

Why would someone leave because they were foed? I fail to see the reasoning behind it. If player x is a notorious dick to others, or to one particular player, then the latter shouldn't have to put up with that non sense. How is this even free speech? Do people go to public places and scream and yell like children about shit? I'd hope not, because chances are they'd be barred from places as well. The foe button should stay. Don't want to be foed? Don't be a dick. Easy.

On the topic of free speech, this is the internet, and this site is technically privately owned. What the owner says, goes. I use to think I had rights on here...When I was like 17/18. The reality is, we don't have rights, we have privileges. We're paying customers to enjoy a game and have to adhere to what the user agreement is. Same things apply to the real word and any public establishment. No idea why y'all think the internet suddenly grants you superfluous rights that you normally wouldn't get, say, at a restaurant or the work place, but whatever, live your dreams.

Other than that, I really do wish the feedback system would go back to actual critique, instead of this 5 star "grade your homework paper", system. Not that it's driving away people or the sole cause of the problems, just my gripe. Real reasoning I believe is lack of A. Advertisement, and B. Rough competition. IE - Xbox, PS4, PC, more interaction with games, Facebook. There isn't a whole of interaction here other than interacting with others through the forum or chat. Not a lot of people have patience for these sit and wait games now a days, and now in a way, we're competing against Facebook in terms of media. Why bother with a forum when you can go to Facebook and bullshit with your colleagues, or start groups with fellow thinkers?

There's a lot more variables to consider of why CC is in "decline" then simply the dice, or a foe system, or site's owner, or whatever anyone typically complains about on here.

[iAmCaffeine]

I think that was DSD says here has a lot of merit.

This was your first mistake and no, I'm not talking about the use of "was".

[DirtyDishSoap]

I think that was DDS says here has a lot of merit.

This was your first mistake and no, I'm not talking about the use of "was".

DDS

I fixed it for him. Thanks Caff.

[jusplay4fun]

two questions:

1) are you keeping count? it it really my "first mistake"?

2) so what are you talking about?

JP4Fun

I think that was DSD says here has a lot of merit.

This was your first mistake and no, I'm not talking about the use of "was".

[iAmCaffeine]

I'm laughing about the fact you think anything BBS could say would have merit.

[willedtowin1]

I couldn't be that there are a bazillion interactive games available now a days......
Now could it =/

Naaaaa......that's to easy of an answer

[jusplay4fun]

Even If I disagreed with ANYONE 99% of the time, that does not mean I have to find EVERY ONE (the other 1%) of his ideas totally without merit.

Or are you someone who agrees with another person 100% of the time jus so that you do not have to think?

JP4Fun

I'm laughing about the fact you think anything BBS could say would have merit.

[jusplay4fun]

You JUS validated my point, Will. THANKS..!

JP4Fun

I couldn't be that there are a bazillion interactive games available now a days......
Now could it =/

Naaaaa......that's to easy of an answer

[iAmCaffeine]

I'm just making digs at DDS 'cause he's my bae.

[jusplay4fun]

Your "bae".....is that GOOD? or ....? .....what...?..... Sorry, I do not speak that language....LoL

JP4Fun

I'm just making digs at DDS 'cause he's my bae.

[iAmCaffeine]

It's good for him, not so much for me. Nice avatar btw.