Conquer Club

I'm okay with that analysis for the most part...I obviously disagree slightly on the andy issue but this is admittedly my first game playing against him so I do not know his tells or normal playing style. I don't agree with the drunkmonkey thing. Haggis basically said that he could guarantee his towniness and I tend to believe him and beyond that his actions so far strike me as an eager new player not an inexperienced scum (to my knowledge this and the other game he is currently in are his first on the site).

If anyone would like me to prod anyone, I am happy to do so. Some people definitely have been more active than others.

Actually I've only had enough experience playing with one of those people to be confident enough to use metagame and that's freezie. My reads on everyone including freezie were based completely on how they've acted this game and not on how they've been acting previous games.

Obviously I don't have any reads on sax's play because of the inactivity. However, drunk monkey's pressuring of haggis for being reluctant to reveal his role details doesn't sit right with me. If there is an important power role (haggis said he was important late game) then I want them to shut up unless they are close to being lynched. No reason to give mafia free info unless we have to. Granted, drunk wasn't exactly pushing for haggis to claim but he was pointing a finger at him for not giving info out freely. That's why I've only FOS'd drunk so far and labeled him as only slightly leaning scum.

safariguy5 wrote:QOTD:

Dr. Zoidberg: Now Fry, it's been a few years since medical school, so remind me. Disemboweling in your species: fatal or non-fatal?
Fry: Fatal.
Dr. Zoidberg: [hands Bender a wad of dollar bills] Large bet on myself in round one.

You already used that one

Fair enough. For the most part meta-gaming shouldn't majorly impact any lynch or not lynching scenario IMO but it can be useful so i tend to consider it secondary to other leads but not in itself unimportant. I could also be wrong about andy and his style of play could be very good in it's role but i will point it out as unusual and scummy as long as I feel it is such and right now I'm leaning very slightly that way. I'll assume you meant Gilligan not haggis. I stick with the opinion I had previously on drunk. He's inexperienced and i don't expect inexperienced players to have a firm grasp on the delicacies of when someone should reveal information.

Also I would suggest prodding Tails...he's the only person I can think of who's been gone for an extended period.

Fine...New QOTD:

Voice on T.V.: Is today's hectic lifestyle making you tense and impatient?
Bender: Shut up and get to the point!

Also, prodding Tails.

kwanton wrote:Actually I've only had enough experience playing with one of those people to be confident enough to use metagame and that's freezie. My reads on everyone including freezie were based completely on how they've acted this game and not on how they've been acting previous games.

Obviously I don't have any reads on sax's play because of the inactivity. However, drunk monkey's pressuring of haggis for being reluctant to reveal his role details doesn't sit right with me. If there is an important power role (haggis said he was important late game) then I want them to shut up unless they are close to being lynched. No reason to give mafia free info unless we have to. Granted, drunk wasn't exactly pushing for haggis to claim but he was pointing a finger at him for not giving info out freely. That's why I've only FOS'd drunk so far and labeled him as only slightly leaning scum.

What? I never mentioned Haggis. Gilligan?

Sorry, I'm new to mafia. I thought prodding people and promoting discussion was part of the game. I'll shut up until I'm lynched.

Sorry, I misread kwanton's post the first time. I thought:

I want them to shut up unless they are close to being lynched.

referred to me. I take back my hasty response. Strike is right; I'm still learning the delicacies here.

Yes, yes sorry I meant gilligan. they both have double consonants and whatnot lol. I've had to review too many large blocks of text today lol.

And actually I'd like to point out another one of my mistakes. Strike when you first said drunk was inexperienced, I thought you were referring to gilligan (I've been on hiatus and haven't played too many games with him. now I remember but it didnt stick in my mind until now.) I didn't know that this was one of drunk's first games and as such he's bumped back to neutral for me.

yeah drunk, that comment was in no way intended at needling you. I was just trying to say that this is a game based on information and disinformation and town or mafia's advantage in the game depends on how well they can collect information and give out disinformation to the other team. Mafia currently have the advantage because they already know who each other are. There's no reason to give mafia more info on our roles and even more of an advantage unless we are about to lose that power role.

Reading.

-Tails

Confirm.

vote Gilligan; for his vote on TSL (now drunk) after Haggis claimed he was a townie (possible masonry or lover mechanism?) also for seeming not too care too much about skimming (saying I read 95% of it that should be acceptable).

jonty125 wrote:Confirm.

vote Gilligan; for his vote on TSL (now drunk) after Haggis claimed he was a townie (possible masonry or lover mechanism?) also for seeming not too care too much about skimming (saying I read 95% of it that should be acceptable).

This just seems like a rehash of someone else's post from a few pages ago.


--Andy

jonty125 wrote:vote Gilligan; for his vote on TSL (now drunk) after Haggis claimed he was a townie (possible masonry or lover mechanism?)

Weak. We're mostly off the Gilligan case for now, let's not get too distracted.

also for seeming not too care too much about skimming (saying I read 95% of it that should be acceptable).

Even weaker, that's hardly a slip at worst.

AndyDufresne wrote:

jonty125 wrote:Confirm.

vote Gilligan; for his vote on TSL (now drunk) after Haggis claimed he was a townie (possible masonry or lover mechanism?) also for seeming not too care too much about skimming (saying I read 95% of it that should be acceptable).

This just seems like a rehash of someone else's post from a few pages ago.


--Andy

That's kind of the natural scenario considering that's really all there is to the gilligan bandwagon. I do find the timing interesting considering at least in my opinion the naxus and freezie cases are stronger.

strike wolf wrote:

AndyDufresne wrote:

jonty125 wrote:Confirm.

vote Gilligan; for his vote on TSL (now drunk) after Haggis claimed he was a townie (possible masonry or lover mechanism?) also for seeming not too care too much about skimming (saying I read 95% of it that should be acceptable).

This just seems like a rehash of someone else's post from a few pages ago.


--Andy

That's kind of the natural scenario considering that's really all there is to the gilligan bandwagon. I do find the timing interesting considering at least in my opinion the naxus and freezie cases are stronger.

I went for gil over them 2 as the cases for them required a bit more digging to find them so I'm not saying that makes them unrealiable for using more advanced logic but gil's behaviour did appear scummy and him saying 'don't kill me; investigate me' made the phrase 'Mafia Godfather' jump to mind but maybe that's just me.

safariguy5 wrote:The scope of the game will encompass all seasons.

Mod, need clarification if you can reveal the info.

Does all seasons mean the movies too?

I just had a thought...

QOTD:

Bender: She is well travelled... and I don't mean she travels a lot.

Vote Count

Gilligan(2)- drunk, jonty
Fircoal(2)- /, naxus, freezie
freezie(1)- pcm
naxus(1)- kwan

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

kwanton wrote:

safariguy5 wrote:The scope of the game will encompass all seasons.

Mod, need clarification if you can reveal the info.

Does all seasons mean the movies too?

I just had a thought...

Yes, seasons include the movies as they were released as 1 season collectively.

I'm interested in your revelation kwan.

As far as Jonty...I can kind of understand tthe argument going over ones head defense (it can be related to the noob defense but is a bit different) so I don't have any problem with that response. I would recommend though if you do feel this way that a second read and if you still don't get it asking for clarification.

It's more of a crazy crackpot theory at this point. I'm still hashing it out in my head and figuring out if it makes sense. I don't want to take away from more thought-out cases like the one on naxus so I won't go into it until I have it figured out more. There are just several things with the way day 1 and night 1 played out that don't sit right with me and I have no idea what to make of it.

Speaking of naxus, seriously no one else thinks its a strong enough case to put pressure on him? There's no way I'm the only one who finds him somewhat scummy.

A lot of people still haven't spoken up. Tails answered his prod to say he needs to reread but much of the rest are either still focused on gilligan or not talking. I was personally hoping to have heard naxus' response before I made my final decision on the vote as I was and am willing to pursue the freezie case as well if the opportunity seemed right for it. So gonna put money where my mouth is:
vote naxus

As far as who could be mafia. The scene was very vague who made the kill so not sure. The most likely group I see would be Mom and her sons/goons. Someone else mentioned scammers which is possible but while significant in that one movie they were a bit of a flash in the pan overall. I could see the brains as a potential mafia but that would have been more likely if this didn't include the movies/newer season. Beyond that a mafia made from a jumbled group of villians isn't impossible.

strike wolf wrote:I was personally hoping to have heard naxus' response before I made my final decision on the vote as I was and am willing to pursue the freezie case as well if the opportunity seemed right for it.

I agree with this. I would hope that we would've gotten a response by now. I won't vote that way yet seeing as I still have my concerns (also not responded to) about freezie and there's no deadline as of yet, so naxus has ample time to respond.

I'd also like to add robot mafia to that list.

Possible mafia factions:

Mom + 3 sons
or
Robot mafia don +clamps and the other robot.

Brains make no sense with the flavor. Mafia made up from a jumbled group of villains is possible yes, but I don't think it's likely. There's already a few groups in the show that are scummy and would make much more sense for flavor.

Scammers are plausible since they did have a doomsday device. Except for the fact that the doomsday device makes more sense as coming from farnsworth.

Also, the first page says that this game has VT's, and night one flipped a SANE cop and a CPR doc which are usually roles one sees in a non-vanilla mafia. This means that with 17 players and some VTs theres at LEAST 2 cops and 2 docs (well it means we have at least 2 cops, the mod could have chose to screw us over by only giving us the one CPR doc but I don't find that likely; where theres a variation of a doc, there's usually a regular doc). This is just me but in a 17 player game with VTs I would put in semi-useful town roles like this to balance out a powerful third-party, such as a cult (YIVO).

SK is obviously santa claws. No doubt about it.

17 players

3-4 mafia (3 if robot/4 if mom)
1 sk
1 cult leader
11-12 townies of which I'd say 7 would be power roles (based on my knowledge of flavor and what roles I think would suit characters)

OR

If I am wrong about the cult, there could very well be two mafia factions. Again, 17 player game and we have weird town power roles which makes me think the mod balanced town against something.
If this is the case:

3 mafia
3 mafia
1 sk
10 town of which I'd say 5-6 are power roles

First one is the more likely setup IMO

My vote on Kwan was essentially random trying to get some movement in the thread. I've been in way too many games where day one is wasted by deadline forcing a no lynch and day 2 lags just as bad.

I didn't mean to defend andy, was just pointing out his usual way of posting everywhere in the forum.

@ seeming scummy, as Fircoal put it, I always seem to come off scummy. It happens in damn near every game and i guess its just how people view my posts.

With TSL case, Most forums/Game that I do online, each mod is on everyday atleast to just say "Busy reply later" Or some such. That and too many people were willing to let TSL off the hook when he Could have been scumarining.

And strike yo do have to admit that in all games that fir is in, He has his usuall way of acting and posting. Any variance from that is something to consider.

Unvote though

strike wolf wrote:As far as Jonty...I can kind of understand tthe argument going over ones head defense (it can be related to the noob defense but is a bit different) so I don't have any problem with that response. I would recommend though if you do feel this way that a second read and if you still don't get it asking for clarification.

I understand the cases it just as I metioned the term 'Mafia Godfather' sprung to mind when Gil said he wanted to be invstiagted but not killed.

jonty125 wrote:

strike wolf wrote:As far as Jonty...I can kind of understand tthe argument going over ones head defense (it can be related to the noob defense but is a bit different) so I don't have any problem with that response. I would recommend though if you do feel this way that a second read and if you still don't get it asking for clarification.

I understand the cases it just as I metioned the term 'Mafia Godfather' sprung to mind when Gil said he wanted to be invstiagted but not killed.

Something like this is what I was thinking before when I asked our mod if the movies counted. Something just struck me as odd when gilligan asked for doc protect and cop invsigation yesterday, and then BOTH happen to die night 1. The only reason I didn't say anything is that it makes no sense with the death scenes.

I also couldn't think of any characters from the show where gilligan would know TSL's alignment without a doubt. I have reason to believe it is not a kif/amy lover scenario but I won't give more details than that. Fry/Leela couldn't really be considered lovers in the show so that doesn't make sense either. Some kind of nibblonian masonry would be possible especially with nibbler in the game, but its unlikely unless the brains are the big bad group here. Hermes/his wife are too minor of a couple really.

If you think through all the main characters from the show none of them really make sense as knowing each other's alignmnt. Of course this is just speculation and honestly, the flavor in the scene implies hes telling the truth. No real concrete suspicion here besides just having a bad feeling about it. However, tsl and gilli are not completely off the hook yet either.