CC is declining again!

[mrswdk]

Does CC get promoted at all? I've only heard about this through word of mouth back in the day. I think there is a facebook page as well, but I seldom check.

Yeah, I only heard about CC because my brother made me an account so that we could play together.

[iAmCaffeine]

Again, incorrect. I didn't receive it from other volunteers. I received it from the admin. We aren't using a 50k file. I'm not sure you're even reading what I type anymore, so maybe I should just say aliens are doing the dice. Because you'll read what you want anyway?

Are you actually serious? Lmao. I never said you received the information from other volunteers. According to your words, you have been told we're using a different system, but you haven't been told what. The difference between us is that you've blindly accepted and believe we're using a different system which is apparently better, and don't question it, whereas I would like to know what the system is and know whether it is better than the 50k file, and reliable, or not.

I'm not sure you're even reading what I type anymore.

[mrswdk]

fwiw I'm not reading what either of you are typing.

[IcePack]

Again, incorrect. I didn't receive it from other volunteers. I received it from the admin. We aren't using a 50k file. I'm not sure you're even reading what I type anymore, so maybe I should just say aliens are doing the dice. Because you'll read what you want anyway?

Are you actually serious? Lmao. I never said you received the information from other volunteers. According to your words, you have been told we're using a different system, but you haven't been told what. The difference between us is that you've blindly accepted and believe we're using a different system which is apparently better, and don't question it, whereas I would like to know what the system is and know whether it is better than the 50k file, and reliable, or not.

I'm not sure you're even reading what I type anymore.

Proof you don't read, that was in response to mook, not you. Hence the whole quoted mook comment and all

[iAmCaffeine]

Again, incorrect. I didn't receive it from other volunteers. I received it from the admin. We aren't using a 50k file. I'm not sure you're even reading what I type anymore, so maybe I should just say aliens are doing the dice. Because you'll read what you want anyway?

Are you actually serious? Lmao. I never said you received the information from other volunteers. According to your words, you have been told we're using a different system, but you haven't been told what. The difference between us is that you've blindly accepted and believe we're using a different system which is apparently better, and don't question it, whereas I would like to know what the system is and know whether it is better than the 50k file, and reliable, or not.

I'm not sure you're even reading what I type anymore.

Proof you don't read, that was in response to mook, not you. Hence the whole quoted mook comment and all

Yeah I didn't look at what you'd quoted lmao. The rest of what I said is still pertinent though. You've just blindly trusted what an admin has said, even though they outwardly refuse to give even the slightest detail about where the new dice are being sourced, or their reliability.

[IcePack]

Regardless of what the admin says you are going to have to blindly trust it.
He says they don't use the 50k. If you don't trust that why should he bother say anything else? Because at that point, even an explaination must be blindly trusted unless he goes far enough to prove what he's doing and get further into game mechanics.

For that matter, the 50k file and everything else was blindly trusted.

I've worked with him a lot over the past few years, I don't have any reason to doubt or mistrust what he says. So when he tells me the 50k file isn't how dice works, I don't need anything beyond that to confirm. If he doesn't want to provide additional details, as I said previously, I'm not surprised and again certainly not some industry standard.

[iAmCaffeine]

By definition, if we're given even slightly more information about where the dice are being sourced from, we wouldn't be blindly trusting the information. The 50k file wasn't blindly trusted, it was officially leaked. Here bigWham is outright refusing to share details of our "random dice" and nobody has noticed any kind of improvement. As a paying customer I'd expect the company receiving my money to show some integrity, or why would I bother using such a company again? It's common courtesy and customer service. Nobody's asking for fully detailed mechanics or algorithms, just a little information on where the dice are being sourced to show validity. The fact we, supposedly, no longer use the 50k file isn't reassuring because for all we know, the newer system could be even worse.

Honestly IcePack I have no clue which leg you're trying to stand on here.

[BGtheBrain]

*****

[Dukasaur]

Thanks Duku, that type of post is helpful and highly relevant to the crux of my post.

Perhaps this question will go unanswered because you just aren't in a position to confirm or deny... but is it possible we are still using a 50k file, just one that was updated to get to an average dice roll of 3.50? I realize you are acting more as a historian and examining the timeline, rather than disseminating information for BigWham. I'd just be curious to know if that possibility was disproven or looked at by others.

What you posit is exactly what degaston asserts now, but he hasn't collected any new data since his big magnum opus in 2013. He believes that a new 50K file is being used in place of the old one, just one that doesn't have the flaws of the previous one. IcePack says that's not the case, and he's kind of the special apostle whom our webmaster trusts more than the rest of us, so his information is probably good.

I can't say with any certainty, and certainly we have nobody now willing to put in the effort that degaston used in 2013. I will say this, however: if a similar method is being used, there's actually nothing wrong with that. In the good old days before computers, when statisticians needed a set of random numbers, one common method was simply to fan open the phone book to a random page and take the last digit of everybody's phone number on that page. Then along came computers and computer-generated "random" number algorithms, which were quicker to use. The interesting part, however, is that the algorithm-produced random numbers were actually an inferior product. IOW, they produced numbers which did not stand the tests of randomness to the same degree as the phone book did.

Now, depending on where you live, there's probably more than 50K numbers in your phone book, but other than size the phone book basically is a fixed file with a large but finite number of random numbers. It really is the same methodology. So if the 50K file has been replaced with something similar like a 500K file or whatever, that's actually a pretty good method. The only reason the 50K file was ever exposed was because it was an extraordinarily bad 50K file with the now-infamous shortage of 1s. Lackattack just had extraordinarily bad luck in the file he chose.

[Dukasaur]

By definition, if we're given even slightly more information about where the dice are being sourced from, we wouldn't be blindly trusting the information. The 50k file wasn't blindly trusted, it was officially leaked. Here bigWham is outright refusing to share details of our "random dice" and nobody has noticed any kind of improvement. As a paying customer I'd expect the company receiving my money to show some integrity, or why would I bother using such a company again? It's common courtesy and customer service. Nobody's asking for fully detailed mechanics or algorithms, just a little information on where the dice are being sourced to show validity.

In fairness, I've played a lot of computer games and I have yet to see a single one that makes announcements about how their random numbers are generated.

[IcePack]

Chapter 1:1
IcePack says that's not the case, and he's kind of the special apostle whom our webmaster trusts more than the rest of us, so his information is probably good.

[riskllama]

lol, caff demanding "integrity"...
har har har, *slaps knee*

[iAmCaffeine]

Haha says the guy who dislikes me but still invites me to games because he's shit and needs carrying.

[WILLIAMS5232]

If anything, the worst thing that could happen is it wouldn't hurt to say something like;

We get our dice numbers from ______.
Or perhaps,
We can't disclose because of ________.

Instead of just labeling us as weirdos for wanting to know something that shouldn't be a hard question to clear up. This is how conspiracy theories originate.

I would think the majority of users wouldn't mind knowing this regardless of them saying so or not.

[iAmCaffeine]

Yeah exactly. I'm not asking for the algorithm or actual mechanics of the game. It's a simple and fair question.

[riskllama]

Haha says the guy who dislikes me but still invites me to games because he's shit and needs carrying.

perhaps you(and the rest of the CC forum goers) need to be reminded of exactly why I "don't like you", as you so eloquently put it. sigh, you have only yourself to blame...

[mookiemcgee]

If anything, the worst thing that could happen is it wouldn't hurt to say something like;

We get our dice numbers from ______.
Or perhaps,
We can't disclose because of ________.

Instead of just labeling us as weirdos for wanting to know something that shouldn't be a hard question to clear up. This is how conspiracy theories originate.

I would think the majority of users wouldn't mind knowing this regardless of them saying so or not.

this is all i am trying to say too! Maybe Bigwham should start a twitter account for info dumps. That way he doesn't have to reply but we can actually get the occasional bit of info... Ice then you can be like Sean Spicer and say things like your saying here! "Big wham has nothing more to add", I cannot confirm or deny the whams intent, his tweet speaks for itself."

[IcePack]

As long as you don't quote me or have cameras rolling in the bushes

[iAmCaffeine]

Haha says the guy who dislikes me but still invites me to games because he's shit and needs carrying.

perhaps you(and the rest of the CC forum goers) need to be reminded of exactly why I "don't like you", as you so eloquently put it. sigh, you have only yourself to blame...

Blame myself for what? You disliking me? That's absolutely fine.

[shocked439]

Can confirm site has been declining since 2011. It's a long slow decline with not much of an actual downward angle but some might call it a decline. Source this thread.

[Dukasaur]

Can confirm site has been declining since 2011. It's a long slow decline with not much of an actual downward angle but some might call it a decline. Source this thread.

Actually the decline began in 2009.

[2dimes]

Does CC get promoted at all? I've only heard about this through word of mouth back in the day. I think there is a facebook page as well, but I seldom check.

Yeah, I only heard about CC because my brother made me an account so that we could play together.

They had an ad on http://www.horsepr0n.tv but the new owner must have stopped paying because it doesn't run anymore.
































































Um, I heard.

[riskllama]

Haha says the guy who dislikes me but still invites me to games because he's shit and needs carrying.

perhaps you(and the rest of the CC forum goers) need to be reminded of exactly why I "don't like you", as you so eloquently put it. sigh, you have only yourself to blame...

Blame myself for what? You disliking me? That's absolutely fine.

don't be stupid.

[shocked439]

Haha says the guy who dislikes me but still invites me to games because he's shit and needs carrying.

perhaps you(and the rest of the CC forum goers) need to be reminded of exactly why I "don't like you", as you so eloquently put it. sigh, you have only yourself to blame...

Blame myself for what? You disliking me? That's absolutely fine.

don't be stupid.

You can't like others until you like yourself. I understand llama it's a process but on wday you'll be able to care about others; Probably never for caff but for others.

[riskllama]

*yawn*
you're boring everybody, shocker. quit boring everybody.