Major+ 2009 Winter Doubles League [Winners: First Post]

[AndrewB]

Nesterdude and Hwhrhett received 0.1MP penalty for the late joining.

[Big Whiskey]

AndrewB and Big Whiskey win Game 4444338

[ddgrimes]

I vote to never have conquer man map in any tourney.

Kills BOB, takes forever to make 1 move.

[AndrewB]

Following teams were eliminated from the tournament:

19: Nesterdude - Hwhrhett
30: CandaVespin - bamage
16: Bigroo4601 - aspalm
27: agonzos - ddgrimes

Tables are updated.

[lisbon101]

Round: 8 Game: 5 , nº-4535878, lisbon101/lordhaha won

[nagerous]

I vote to never have conquer man map in any tourney.

Kills BOB, takes forever to make 1 move.

Have to agree on this one.

[AMGecko]

Just for future references, I like much better the winter tourney then the spring one because I like the 3 and 4 teams double as well, it shows much more versatility of the teams in different situations, I hope, if you organize the summer tourney this year as well you will reintroduce those games in.
Just my 2 cents on this, I am sure many people do not like those options but with it it allows the tourney to be open all the way to the end for a possible winner, with the other option, just a +1 and a -1 option it gives no chance for a team to get back in for the win at any point, at the end you have 1 or maybe 2 teams that can win and takes the fight out of the teams that have no more possibility on winning. I think is much more fun with the larger team games.
AMG

[Bruceswar]

larger teams would be great if people understood how to play them.

[AMGecko]

That is exactly what I mentioned.
"it shows much more versatility of the teams in different situations"
The best team is the one that can take advantage best of those situations, all the teams will have to play with teams that do not know how.

[AndrewB]

I might have to run 2 different types of the tournament for summer.

I see why some people love them, but in the same time, some hate them.

[AMGecko]

That would be a great idea, I am sure we will join both of those if you make 2 tourney,

[luckywar]

Game 4535886

1st : Kenbeuken & Luckywar
2nd: cowboyz & DARCOGOAL
3rd: tyche73 & AMGecko
4th: Forza & dragon dor

[AMGecko]

Sorry that last post is wrong I was eliminated last so my team is second and we get a +1

[AndrewB]

Don't worry,
I am checking all the games anyhow

[AndrewB]

I have decided to shorten the tournament to 12 last teams standing.

The reason is that at 8 teams I need to allocate 4*0.7MP bye point for the triples games.

i don't think it is fair to allocate the bye points in the last round.

So the next round will be the last round.

[AMGecko]

Well, I am not sure I understand what this problem is but by shorten the tournament by 1 rounds it will cut off many teams that normally would have had the chance to win, after all these rounds I do not think shorten the tournament is fear to all those teams behind, lets find a way to make it to finish the tournament the way was planned with 13 rounds, maybe by playing a few extra games each team or a few less in the last round is possible to find a solution, I do not understand the problem well, could you explain or try to find a solution we can all agree?

[AMGecko]

Maybe the last 8 teams can play all 4 games with a 2 teams in and 2 games with 4 teams in instead of the triple to make an even division of games for the last 8 teams, that should work, with the points given the same way we have done until now, 1 point for the 2 team win and 4 points for the 4 team win, with a point for second, 0 for third and -1 for fourth.

[AndrewB]

With the last 8 teams, in round 4 we need to play triples.

I would have enough teams to make 2 triples games, which will make 2 teams to miss the round. I would have to allocate 0.7MP for each of them, as per existing rules.

Same will happen in round 5.

I cannot play a doubles game for them, because it will give one team 1MP and the other 0MP (total 1MP). Getting bye points will sum up to 1.4MP.

And I am not sure where did you get the 13 rounds from? Maybe from the original post, when i was planning to get 60 teams, but i didn't, so we had to shorten it.

Currently between you and the leader there are 15 points. Even if they got 0 points on the whole round and you got the maximum avaiable (3*1+2*3+4), you still will fall short of the first place.

I agree with you that shortening the round might seem like a too late of the notice, but we are not in the situation of the tight finish, we have a very clear leader in sight

But I will think about it, choosing the lesser of the evil.

Please keep your ideas coming.

[AMGecko]

With the last 8 teams, in round 4 we need to play triples.

Well from the choice of not having the last round or choosing of having 3 way doubles or not I chose not to have 3 way doubles in the last round, we can have 4 games with 2 teams and 2 games with 4 teams in the last round so the splitting of the games with 8 teams left is possible and there is no need to award free points.

And I am not sure where did you get the 13 rounds from? Maybe from the original post, when i was planning to get 60 teams, but i didn't, so we had to shorten it.

Yes, my bad there, we are at round 9 now and 4 more teams will be eliminated so it will leave 12 teams, so we will have 2 more rounds to play after round 9 and it will be 11 rounds total.

Currently between you and the leader there are 15 points. Even if they got 0 points on the whole round and you got the maximum avaiable (3*1+2*3+4), you still will fall short of the first place.

This is not only about my team, yes we are 15 points behind and very little chance to win, but with the 9th round still on and 2 more to go all is possible, but my concern is also about the teams above me and with much more chance to catch first place, it will not be fear to them to cut 1 round.

I agree with you that shortening the round might seem like a too late of the notice, but we are not in the situation of the tight finish, we have a very clear leader in sight

I do not agree much here, with 13 points awarded por round at least 4 teams are in to compete for a win. We are in the middle of round 9 now, so a lot of points are not done yet + 1 more round with 13 points on the line for each team and if we play the last round like I suggested there will be 12 more points available for grabs with out counting for the -1 possible in the 4 team games.
AMG

[AndrewB]

Thanks, for your post Gecko, I will consider it.

Having 4 rounds of doubles is definitely not an option though. Total number of points awarded per round will be different. And doubles and triples are considerably different in the strategy.

It either has to be byes or not playing the round at all. I might be able to get away with having just 1 bye, instead 4. Let me think about it...

[AMGecko]

Thanks, for your post Gecko, I will consider it.

Well, considering a change of plan in a tourney by not playing the last round, do you think that all players left in the last 8 teams should vote for the best solution? I am sure team in first place will vote not to play but do you think that those players left have earned at least the chance to vote? Not trying to be disrespectful to you, I know you worked hard to put this together but also the team in second place that could win such a huge tournament worked hard to get there, all players should be respected and have earned a right to vote?

Having 4 rounds of doubles is definitely not an option though.

We could play 3 then, I see you can't split the games that way, still better then none.

And doubles and triples are considerably different in the strategy.

No doubt, but here the choice is not to play doubles or triples, the choice is to not play at all the last round, I rather play only the doubles and the 4 way games in the last round then not playing it at all.

It either has to be byes or not playing the round at all. I might be able to get away with having just 1 bye, instead 4. Let me think about it...

Is it possible to take in consideration a vote for the last round options? Only 16 people left and we can post here what are the possible options and people can vote, could this be the best option? Make it even easier, 1 vote por team, just 8 votes to decide, the most voted option is applied, very easy and fear to all.
Sorry, not trying to be a pain.

[Blitzaholic]

over 50 solid teams on cc, some of the very best

just glad to see thota members in the top 10, super job all

10 | 56.0 | 0.1 | 55.9 | 1 | pjdonald - goggles paisano
37 | 51.5 | 0.0 | 51.5 | 2 | lardass76 - lincecum
09 | 47.7 | 0.0 | 47.7 | 3 | nikola_milicki - David_Wain
20 | 45.0 | 0.0 | 45.0 | 4 | lisbon101 - lordhaha
06 | 41.0 | 0.0 | 41.0 | 5 | tyche73 - AMGecko
23 | 36.4 | 0.0 | 36.4 | 6 | DARCOGOAL - cowboyz
02 | 36.0 | 0.0 | 36.0 | 7 | AndrewB - Big Whiskey
04 | 35.0 | 0.0 | 35.0 | 8 | Forza AZ - dragon dor
12 | 34.0 | 0.0 | 34.0 | 9 | Sil - Beadle
25 | 34.0 | 0.0 | 34.0 | 10 | kenbeuken - luckywar
07 | 32.0 | 0.0 | 32.0 | 11 | khazalid - Nephilim





stiff competition out there
sorry i missed this one, i was away in vegas for 3 weeks when this started up

[Big Whiskey]

BW/Andrew win Game 4664477

[AndrewB]

Tables are updated.

[AndrewB]

Tables are updated, following teams were eliminated:

23* | 35.4 | 0.0 | 35.4 | 12 | DARCOGOAL - cowboyz
07* | 34.0 | 0.0 | 34.0 | 14 | khazalid - Nephilim
36* | 33.2 | 0.0 | 33.2 | 17 | Redfelt - Jonsvoll
43* | 29.0 | 0.0 | 29.0 | 20 | owenator - kratos644