[OFFICIAL] Charle's Fun Mafia - "Game On" Day 4

[Devante]

My most shocked reveal here is that you're 46 Sonic if I got that right. I took the Sicily comment from Chana as a mafia joke as in Sicilian mafia. Although as we fellow Italians all know the mafia outside of this game does not really exist of course, it is just a bed time story we tell the children...of course. Unless he knows something we all don't in which case please elaborate Don Channa

[SoN!c]

My most shocked reveal here is that you're 46 Sonic if I got that right. I took the Sicily comment from Chana as a mafia joke as in Sicilian mafia. Although as we fellow Italians all know the mafia outside of this game does not really exist of course, it is just a bed time story we tell the children...of course. Unless he knows something we all don't in which case please elaborate Don Channa

Im 50. I said "when turning 46 you need too.." That's why im flying 2 times a year to italy and greece. And for the fresh fish and white wine too

[SoN!c]

My most shocked reveal here is that you're 46 Sonic if I got that right. I took the Sicily comment from Chana as a mafia joke as in Sicilian mafia. Although as we fellow Italians all know the mafia outside of this game does not really exist of course, it is just a bed time story we tell the children...of course. Unless he knows something we all don't in which case please elaborate Don Channa

Im 50. I said "when turning 46 you need too.." That's why im flying 2 times a year to italy and greece. And for the fresh fish and white wine too

But i feel 36 ofcourse

[chanakam2020]

My most shocked reveal here is that you're 46 Sonic if I got that right. I took the Sicily comment from Chana as a mafia joke as in Sicilian mafia. Although as we fellow Italians all know the mafia outside of this game does not really exist of course, it is just a bed time story we tell the children...of course. Unless he knows something we all don't in which case please elaborate Don Channa

Sicily thing was not initiated by me.
It was halrob64 who told about Sicily first.

[Charle]

Vote Count:

Halrob (3) - Darin, Max, Devon
Sonic (2) - Ragian, Chanakan
Darin (1) - Kong
Devon (1) - EW
Ragian (1) - hjelp
Kong (1) - Loose
Chanakan (1) - Sonic

Kong received his final warning to post

With 13 players alive - 7 needed for a lynch

[Charle]

Unless anybody objects, End of Day will be 12H00 GMT on Friday. That will give us the weekend to send me night actions and we can start day 2 next week

[hjelp]

Kong is really quiet. What help can we possible get if Kong is a Townie? So far I see no point having Kong in the town, townie or not.

Unvote Ragian

Vote Kong

[hjelp]

Town shouldn't be so quick to back down or show weakness needlessly without getting anything from it. Unvote. Vote Darin

I can understand Kong's point of view if Kong is a Mafia. Not interacting more than twice and happy about Halrob lynched. It's a "safe card" for Kong.

[Ragian]

So, my vote on Son!c was really meant as a stab at how Son!c turned it around saying that his vote following EW without any explanation is the way to go. The point was that Son!c should ask about my vote and I would quote him. That didn't work. However, Son!c hasn't even acknowledged the vote, which I find far more interesting. Instead, he has flooded the thread Son!c style with irrelevant albeit amusing posts. I feel he's trying to drown out something.

I'd like Son!c to be the second claim D1. We have to hurry up a bit in order to choose between lynching halrob, any second claim (I advocate for Son!c), or not lynching (and thus just letting scum make their first move).

[Loose Canon]

In D1 I early initially ticked everyone as town except Halrob and Extreme (both of whom weren't present but Extreme has subbed in, and both have been active posters for a while now)

My suspicions on Halrob remain but I accept its dangerous to lynch him D1.
My suspicions on Extreme remain but they boil down to him posting generalities as opposed to accusations or probings and I was disastrously wrong and followed my solo disastrous thinking on Extreme last game.
I developed a suspicion on Hjelp part way through the day, but nobody posted that they thought I might be onto something.

I would have liked Devante DDS and Kong to have answered the question I posed re why they weren't the 5th vote on Halrob.

My vote on Kong is nothing more than a get active vote - and I'd almost certainly take it off him if he posted.

Re Rags post on Sonic which is an attempt to reignite D1 suspicions posting - Sonic was I think going for the obvious I'll add to votes on Devon following Devon becoming the new 5th vote on Halrob, and following EW . Maybe that IS suspicious coming from Sonic.

Sonic and Chana have and I trust will keep chat flowing so I'd be reluctant to vote for either D1 without very good reason.

Unless someone can somehow draw a player into a chat that makes me suspicious of them, I'm probably not going to add voting pressure onto anyone D1 now and just let D1 close with a no lynch and with my closing suspicions should I die N1 being as above.

[SoN!c]

So, my vote on Son!c was really meant as a stab at how Son!c turned it around saying that his vote following EW without any explanation is the way to go. The point was that Son!c should ask about my vote and I would quote him. That didn't work. However, Son!c hasn't even acknowledged the vote, which I find far more interesting. Instead, he has flooded the thread Son!c style with irrelevant albeit amusing posts. I feel he's trying to drown out something.

I'd like Son!c to be the second claim D1. We have to hurry up a bit in order to choose between lynching halrob, any second claim (I advocate for Son!c), or not lynching (and thus just letting scum make their first move).

Hey man, do you read?

Im flying to Greece tomorrow, have to pack my bags and stuff too. I announced it. So less active untill holiday is over.

And :

We have to hurry up a bit in order to choose between lynching halrob, any second claim

You want the town cop (with no counterclaim) still lynched??? Are you town or scum?

It's not gonna happen D1 anymore and you know that all too well: so why advocating so hard? Are you thinking that you can manipulate the new players into you trickery?

It's like i've seen this Ragian divide and conquer strategy before. That was a scum Ragian who enjoyed doing stuff like your doing here..


Another quote for you, from this game:

That said, I can't find the game with halrob and me in the scum team. I think I found the game, but halrob is not there
...
Please kill this guy first.

You were trying to get Hallrob lynched for real with your stories about a alleged past game "when he shot himself in the foot" and you have been doing stuff like that very gently all game long. Got anything to say on that? It's D1 so you have no info whatsoever but trying to advocate a real lynch, doesn't even seem to matter who as long it's not you

[DirtyDishSoap]

Pretty sure you're misquoting, skimming, or reading that from another universe.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Sorry, second post, i had to reread what Sonic posted, it hurt my brain. Didn't you bring it up the arson game to begin with? Why even include my post, but lump in there as if I had anything to do with it other than as a joke? Why even make this silly argument?!

This line of thinking... holy sweet Mary.

[chanakam2020]

My AI asisitant provided me this analyze.
https://chatgpt.com/share/68b72fda-7e84 ... 66dea8f10a

You said:
https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... &start=300

Analyze this mafia game thread. Take as much as time you need and give each player a score. Higher scores should be given to those who are more suspecious as mafia members and lower scores should be given to town people. Players list given in the first post of the thread.

ChatGPT said:

Thought for 1m 57s
Here’s a quick, evidence-based Day 1 read on everyone in [OFFICIAL] Charle’s Fun Mafia – “Game On”. Scale is 0 (very towny) → 10 (very scummy). I cite the exact posts I leaned on so you can double-check anything.

Scores & one-liners
Max — 7.0
Becomes the 5th vote on Halrob during the surge (opportunistic timing) and had previously parked on DDS; that “bail-out then wagon” sequence pings hard.

hjelp — 6.5
Early tunneled list of three scum on D1 and setup-spec math to justify it; feels like narrative-first rather than solve-first.

DDS — 6.0
Called out for wanting a super-fast D1 while posting anyway; Sonic pivots to vote him on that inconsistency. Smoke, if not fire.

Kong — 5.5
Light-content D1, off-wagon vote on Darin while main heat was elsewhere; not much solving yet. (See VC’s with Kong→Darin.)

Sonic — 5.5
Helps push Halrob toward claim (“needs to claim”), then quickly backs off once the cop angle is in play; later redirects to DDS. Could be town prudence…or pressure-then-retreat.

Devon — 5.5
Mostly peripheral; on helpj in VCs with little advancement of reads. Neutral-to-slightly scummy for low impact so far.

Extreme Ways (replaces Rogue) — 5.0
Setup talk and general guidance; fine for a sub-in, but light actual pushes. Neutral.

Darin — 5.0
On early Halrob wagon; otherwise fairly quiet. Needs more depth to sort.

Devante — 4.5
Prods Loose for a slip and contributes meta/info, without hard-tunneling. Slight town lean.

Chanakam — 4.5
Votes Halrob with the crowd, then unvotes after reflection/hints; openly tracks mod confirmations. Looks like genuine re-evaluation.

Ragian — 3.5
Challenges weak logic and calls out percentage theatre; tone and content read transparently towny.

Loose Canon — 3.0
Consistently teaching best-practice (L-2 claim mechanics, protect logic), pressure with reasons, and caution around a D1 cop claim. Feels pro-town driver.

halrob64 — 2.5
At/near claim threshold and treated as cop claim / “I am the law”. With the table collectively backing off and talk of protecting N1, he’s a poor D1 elim. (Breadcrumb was slow, which LC notes, but still least-scummy to lynch now.)

TL;DR buckets
Top scumrange: Max, hjelp, DDS.
Solid townleans: Loose Canon, Ragian, (light) Chanakam, Devante.
Need more content: Devon, Kong, Darin, Extreme Ways.

Based on insights provided by my trstworthy AI assistant ChatGPT

UnVote SoN!c
Vote Max

[halrob64]

I did indeed mention Sicily and Sonic as a joke, unless he really is going to there instead of Greece to visit family members.
Where's Wally, I mean Max, not much going on there? Or is he Furtive Freddy lurking in the shadows?

[kongming3]

Apologies all, I've been quite busy but have now caught up and should be good. Fair enough Darin, Unvote. Loose, I can tell you that if I'd been around I almost certainly would have voted for Halrob. For what it's worth, I likely would have done a similar vote if I was scum this game so my absence in that vote is pretty much entirely for outside reasons rather than game reasons. There's been a lot of song and dance routines going on, though nothing that I'm conclusive on until I get further information. I will say that revealing town roles and power role players this early is almost exclusively bad for town, giving scum extra information without getting anything from the reveal will make the following days a lot harder to play around properly. Obviously if and when we do have a confirmed cop we can follow the cop and do our best to protect them, but there's a reason cop can't just reveal themselves day 1 every game and lead from the front towards an easy town victory. I have many gripes with how the halrob situation resolved, but for now I'll leave it be and reiterate that any genuine town power role players should protect themselves and their roles for as long as feasible, alongside the appropriate fail-safes depending on how the game plays out.

Not a ton of time left in day 1, but vote chanakam since I don't like what you're trying to do with the supposed "data" and chatgpt list you have.

[SoN!c]

Well i had to try it. I asked chatgpt to analyse Kong's answer:

I’ll break this down for you. The post you shared looks like it comes from a forum mafia/werewolf game (or something very similar). Here’s an analysis of its content and whether the reasoning is true or not:

Alignment Analysis of kongming3’s Post

“If I’d been around I would have voted Halrob”

This is hedging: they want the town credit for being on the wagon without actually committing.

Classic scum tactic → “I would have done X if I was here.”

Could be genuine town, but it leans performative.

Absence explained as “outside reasons”

Scum often shield themselves with real-life excuses.

Town also do this, but when combined with point (1), it feels like they’re trying too hard to excuse missing a potentially important vote.

Strong stance on power role reveals

This is town-positive theory: don’t reveal PRs early, only when impactful.

If scum, giving “correct” advice makes them look helpful while not costing much.

If town, it’s simply solid strategic input.

Neutral in alignment read (NAI), but good for thread health.

Halrob situation — “gripes but leave it be”

Town usually pushes their concerns instead of shelving them, especially if they feel the resolution was wrong.

Scum are more likely to sidestep here, because engaging further risks creating associations.

Slight scum lean for avoidance.

Vote on chanakam (for “data” + ChatGPT list)

This feels like the most natural part of the post.

They’re making a clear stance, and it isn’t an easy “bandwagon” vote — it’s against a specific methodology.

That’s a townier move, since scum often prefer safer, consensus-based wagons.

Most of what “kongming3” says is theoretically sound mafia play (especially about power roles and revealing). The only questionable part is the “I would have voted Halrob if I was here” defense, which is unverifiable and could be scum covering tracks. Slight scum lean — the “I would have voted X if I was here” line looks like someone trying to keep options open and avoid accountability. The advice is solid, but advice-giving is easy for scum too.

Well it's free advice and chatgpt thinks this is solid mafia play

[SoN!c]

I did another, lol this is funny. I posted most Ragian's answers and the final analysize of chatgpt on those posts is :

Ragian has early-game paranoia mixed with helpful meta trying to get discussion going but is worried about overstating things.

[Loose Canon]

I disagree with you Kong. I think chanas chatgpt is ok, as a stimulus/reference point to compare and contrast what I'm thinking.

As a result personally unvote Kong vote DDS

[DirtyDishSoap]

Wait, hold the phone. Are we even allowed to use third party sources? That seems to defeat the entire spirit of the game of figuring it out yourself without outside help. Which this clearly is.

If this is allowed, you can sub me out. I'm not going to try and argue against this. Fucking dumb.

[SoN!c]

Wait, hold the phone. Are we even allowed to use third party sources? That seems to defeat the entire spirit of the game of figuring it out yourself without outside help. Which this clearly is.

If this is allowed, you can sub me out. I'm not going to try and argue against this. Fucking dumb.

Are you saying you are dumber then the stupid AI? You feel busted with this reaction

Unvote

Vote DDS who clearly has someting to hide given this busted answer

[DirtyDishSoap]

And just to let you know how serious i am. Vote Chang.

I'm leaving this on here until he's eliminated. I refuse to play with a cheat. Can't even believe you idiots would even entertain the idea of using a third party. May as well just start PMing each other too.

Don't bother asking me to come back.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Wait, hold the phone. Are we even allowed to use third party sources? That seems to defeat the entire spirit of the game of figuring it out yourself without outside help. Which this clearly is.

If this is allowed, you can sub me out. I'm not going to try and argue against this. Fucking dumb.

Are you saying you are dumber then the stupid AI? You feel busted with this reaction

Unvote

Vote DDS who clearly has someting to hide given this busted answer

This isn't busted you fucking idiot. He's literally using AI to draw up an analysis that he didn't even put any effort into himself. He has 0 tells, he provided 0 effort on his own and is using an AI to basically play the game for him. Vote me off, idc, but I'd really rather be subbed out, and clarify in the future of banning third party sources, because that is bullshit.

[SoN!c]

And just to let you know how serious i am. Vote Chang.

I'm leaving this on here until he's eliminated. I refuse to play with a cheat. Can't even believe you idiots would even entertain the idea of using a third party. May as well just start PMing each other too.

Don't bother asking me to come back.

Oh boy. Busted by AI. Was it the "smoke if not fire" comment behind your name?

[DirtyDishSoap]

Sonic, use your empty ass head just for once and ask yourself, did Chang make his own town reads, and literally his own, or did he use an AI to do it? The answer may shock you, but it's an AI, a third party source PLAYING THE GAME FOR YOU.

Listen, if you can't draw your own conclusions or reasoning, and have to an AI to do it, this isn't the game to do it on. This game is quite literally using YOUR OWN BRAIN and summing up conclusions and reasonings and presenting it with a coherent argument.

If you can't see that, then I'm happy to quit. Again. The fact that i even have to try and explain this to you is both sad and pathetic. If I were a mod right now, id have mod killed Chang on the spot and have his AI post edited out and make it abundantly clear that the rules state, no outside help. Holy f*ck.