Conquer Club

The study from Israel:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 21262415v1
Here, they studied approximately 800,000 individuals and compared vaccinated, previously infected, and infected plus single vaccine dose, where all individuals either experienced the infection or last vaccine dose at least 90 days prior to the study. That was the study that found natural immunity to be at least 13x more effective than the vaccine.

Seems understandable and non-political. You're hired!

and the CDC says:

Infection-induced immunity versus vaccine-induced immunity
Because some people with COVID-19 can have very mild symptoms, some may see natural infection as preferable to receiving the COVID-19 vaccine. Some people may be concerned that getting a COVID-19 vaccine could make them sicker if they do get COVID-19.

Key Points

COVID-19 can cause severe illness or death, and we can’t reliably predict who will have mild or severe illness. You can also spread COVID-19 to others, including family. And some people continue to have long-term health issues after COVID-19 infection.
Getting COVID-19 may offer some natural protection, known as immunity. Current evidence suggests that reinfection with the virus that causes COVID-19 is uncommon in the 90 days after initial infection. However, experts don’t know for sure how long this protection lasts, and the risk of severe illness and death from COVID-19 far outweighs any benefits of natural immunity.

Currently available vaccines have been tested in large clinical trials and FDA has determined that they are safe and effective.
The known and potential benefits of a COVID-19 vaccine must outweigh the known and potential risks of the vaccine for use under what is known as an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA). Watch a video on what an EUA is.

Millions of Americans have already been vaccinated and these vaccines are undergoing the most intensive safety monitoring in U.S. history. The same vaccines are used globally and the World Health Organization reports that hundreds of millions of vaccinations have been administered.

Once you’ve been fully vaccinated, you are able to do some things more safely, including travel.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/h ... n:PTN:FY22

Lymphoma Newly Identified Long-Term Vax Side Effect? More Research Needed

Previously I reported the study out of the University of Stockholm - published in the current issue of the scholarly journal Viruses - that suggested whole strand S Protein vaccines were inhibiting DNA damage repair on an intracellular level and that this might, over a period of 1-3 years post-vaccination, manifest in cancer.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34696485/

This is a single study and not a smoking gun. But Science starts with a single study and then builds upon it.

We now have a case report from the University of Brussels published in the new issue of the scholarly journal Frontiers in Medicine which documents a man who developed spontaneous lymphoma after getting the Pfizer jab at the six month mark. The mere occurrence of a disease after vaccination proves nothing, however, the mechanism of operation of the mRNA vaccines have always presented this as a hypothetical concern as the team of eight researchers explain.

• The remarkable efficiency of nucleoside-modified SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccines has been related to their ability to induce a potent stimulation of T follicular helper (TFH) cells, resulting in persistent germinal center B cell responses (1, 2). Clinically, this might translate into reactive lymphoadenopathy which sometimes may raise a differential diagnosis with a lymphoproliferative disorder (3, 4). At the same time, the possible impact of SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination on pre-existing peripheral T cell lymphoma is still to be determined.
  
  [Case report clipped but available at link]
  
  This observation ... suggests that vaccination with the BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine might induce rapid progression of AITL. Dedicated studies are needed to determine whether this case can be extrapolated to populations of patients with AITL or other peripheral T cell lymphoma involving TFH cells.
  
  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/a ... MC8656165/
  

This is not proof of a connection but justification for continued and urgent research.

I have always been interested in the mRNA/lymphona connection and was wondering if there are some anecdotal (non-documented) reports. A quick Google search finds this cryptic note posted today by Dr. Aaron Kheriaty. Dr. Kheriaty was the director of medical ethics at the UC Irvine School of Medicine. He resigned earlier this month rather than be vaccinated.



Again, not proof of anything. It merely contributes to a mosaic of information that justifies further inquiry.

We need more research on the possibility of the 1-3 year cancer threat. We have no real-world data on mRNA vaccines that is older than 18 months. The medical infrastructure in the U.S. and Europe would not be able to handle a mass influx of millions of lymphoma cases in a humane manner. We would have to implement some sort of rigorous triage system that involved active euthanasia for the lowest classed cases.

We are currently in the world's biggest science experiment using live subjects. If we start seeing millions of cancer cases at the 2-3 year mark (again, no proof that will happen, merely information justifying further research), how should we ration treatment when 70% of the population needs it? I suggest the following triage schedule:

• Top Priority: Anyone vaccinated against their will
  #2 Priority: Anyone voluntarily vaccinated but who spoke-out against mandates
  Lowest Priority: Anyone voluntarily vaccinated who stayed on the sidelines
  No Treatment Offered: Anyone voluntarily vaccinated who actively supported mandates by thought, word, or deed

Also, we can't offer treatment to children under the age of 13 because their survival would be a drain on extremely scarce resources in this scenario if their parents didn't survive. We may have to explore euthanasia in these cases.

Finally, we need to be kinder to persons in the No Treatment Offered triage class than they were to us. I suggest persons in the No Treatment Offered triage class be provided a free and humane method of orally-administered suicide tablet if they choose. This can be delivered via post if requested via a special website. Providing such an option would be significantly more humane than just letting them waste away without any benefit of modern medicine. (This is actually an idea I got from Children of Men where the government mailed out Quietus drugs to encourage people to commit suicide. I think it could make an effective public health policy if this comes to pass.)

saxi already said what I was going to post as a response:

Again, not proof of anything. It merely contributes to a mosaic of information that justifies further inquiry.

and this, also posted by saxi:

I have always been interested in the mRNA/lymphona connection

really? since WHEN? I have not read that you were even aware of this possible link. Have you been interested, or is this someone you are quoting?

Let's keep having FUN with this; also quoting saxi, who is now a self-identified expert on lymphoma:

This is a single study and not a smoking gun.

Smoking gun? NOT EVEN CLOSE. There is NO evidence of a casual link and the data shows no correlation, not with only ONE case. It is not even a STUDY, it is ONE report of a possible side-effect.

One case does not a trend (or even a significant concern) make.

Of course, as saxi said, this has to be monitored and I have confidence it will be, as will be all other possible harmful effects. The mRNA vaccines will draw much attention from the medical community for at least several years. The potential for this type of vaccine is HUGE and will thus be greatly studied as other new vaccines are researched and developed. As I have told my students, this is a HUGE science experiment going on RIGHT NOW. We do not have ALL (or many of) the answers and will continue to learn more as this continues.

and one more tidbit, since saxi has found ONE small needle:

Abstract
We present here a 72-year-old man with mantle cell lymphoma who has completed chemotherapy and achieved complete metabolic response to the therapy 10 months ago. Series follow-up FDG PET/CT scans have been negative for lymphoma. Current FDG PET/CT scan showed a new cluster of subcentimeter left axillary lymphadenopathy with avid FDG uptake. There was also focal FDG uptake in the left upper arm deltoid muscle and adjacent subcutaneous soft tissue, with no other abnormal FDG-avid lesion or suspicious CT image findings. The medical history revealed that the patient received COVID-19 mRNA vaccine 2 days before the FDG PET/CT examination.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33591026/

I read this as the possible LINK that the COVID mRNA vaccine actually PREVENTED cancerous growth for lymphoma. Again, it is only ONE case. So, here we are TIED 1-1. What do we make of ALL this? We are still looking for answers and thus saxi changed the title of this thread (AGAIN) too soon and you can be assured that AGAIN the Sky is NOT Falling.

As I have told my students, this is a HUGE science experiment going on RIGHT NOW. We do not have ALL (or many of) the answers and will continue to learn more as this continues.

I 100% support the right of anyone to volunteer to be a test subject in a "HUGE science experiment" that involves injecting themselves with substances we "do not have ... many of ... the answers about" and don't even know basic information on like correct dosing.

I do not support forcing people to become test subjects in a "HUGE science experiment" that involves injecting them with substances we "do not have ... many of ... the answers about." The last time that happened, we hanged seven doctors.

What you mean, "we"?

2dimes wrote:What you mean, "we"?

Me and Ralf. We hanged them.

saxitoxin wrote:

2dimes wrote:What you mean, "we"?

Me and Ralf. We hanged them.

That breaks all your previous Bologna records. A Ned and a Nazi running those gallows? Unlikely doesn't begin to describe that.

Call me whatever you like but if you ever call me Scottish again I'll wash your mouth out with soap.

So there are currently 45,000 people infected with Omicron in the UK, of whom four have died. That's a mortality rate of .009%. Further, BoJo has said Omicron will constitute close to 100% of COVID-19 cases in the UK within two more weeks. In other words, by next month if this trend holds, the COVID-19 mortality rate will be dropping from 0.7% to 0.009%, which makes it less pathogenic than seasonal flu by orders of magnitude.

While it is possible that death rates due to Omicron may rise later, at the moment in the U.K., Covid-19 daily cases no longer meaningfully link to deaths. So, according to the math, Omicron cases rising no longer automatically means impending doom and gloom, nor does it require apocalyptic language like we’re hearing from the media and political leaders implying mass waves of death with rapidly increasing case rates.

https://www.statnews.com/2021/12/22/omi ... ct-deaths/

Any lingering need for vaccination or lockdown or masking is about to expire if Omicron takes hold. At that point, the only public health question left will be for the people who made it through this pandemic as Pure Bloods to relax and watch to see what - if anything -happens to the mRNA'ed vax mutants over the next 2-3 years. Should be interesting viewing!

saxitoxin wrote:So there are currently 45,000 people infected with Omicron in the UK, of whom four have died. That's a mortality rate of .009%. Further, BoJo has said Omicron will constitute close to 100% of COVID-19 cases in the UK within two more weeks. In other words, by next month if this trend holds, the COVID-19 mortality rate will be dropping from 0.7% to 0.009%, which makes it less pathogenic than seasonal flu by orders of magnitude.

While it is possible that death rates due to Omicron may rise later, at the moment in the U.K., Covid-19 daily cases no longer meaningfully link to deaths. So, according to the math, Omicron cases rising no longer automatically means impending doom and gloom, nor does it require apocalyptic language like we’re hearing from the media and political leaders implying mass waves of death with rapidly increasing case rates.

https://www.statnews.com/2021/12/22/omi ... ct-deaths/

Any lingering need for vaccination or lockdown or masking is about to expire if Omicron takes hold. At that point, the only public health question left will be for the people who made it through this pandemic as Pure Bloods to relax and watch to see what - if anything -happens to the mRNA'ed vax mutants over the next 2-3 years. Should be interesting viewing!

… but you’re totally open minded and unbiased.

saxitoxin wrote:

As I have told my students, this is a HUGE science experiment going on RIGHT NOW. We do not have ALL (or many of) the answers and will continue to learn more as this continues.

I 100% support the right of anyone to volunteer to be a test subject in a "HUGE science experiment" that involves injecting themselves with substances we "do not have ... many of ... the answers about" and don't even know basic information on like correct dosing.

I do not support forcing people to become test subjects in a "HUGE science experiment" that involves injecting them with substances we "do not have ... many of ... the answers about." The last time that happened, we hanged seven doctors.

It seems that AGAIN saxi twists the facts and my words to weave a false narrative. Note his uses of ellipse (...) when he quotes me.

"correct dosing"? Really? That does not need more attention by me.

So let me correct the record to the truth and again refute saxi's lies and his other misleading statements.

1) The COVID vaccines under went numerous trials, as drugs in the USA must do. Here is when things like correct dosing is checked and carefully monitored, among many variables, including the safety of the human subjects. We had many answers before the vaccines were approved for use to the general population. saxi totally ignores that fact, that process, and the data from those trials. Science and medicine does not randomly inject random people with random things HOPING something works, as saxi wants to imply. Has saxi even heard of a double blind study? Apparently he is ignorant of that or chooses to ignore such procedures and safeguards.
2) Information about the impact of those drugs, including mortality and side effects is constantly monitored. That effort continues.
3) The more we learn about the vaccines, the more we learn that they are indeed efficacious and safe. Thus the CONCLUSION that these vaccines are indeed safe and effective.
4) We experiment with new technology all the time. I have read that use of cell phones and electronic devices is essentially an experiment on how our very young children learn and how it impacts brain development.
5) The risk of vaccines far outweigh any dangers. I have documented that on several occasions.
6) This is called cost benefit analysis, a concept:
a) I mentioned earlier;
b) that got NO response from saxi;
c) apparently something saxi does not comprehend.
7) To further support my hypothesis in 6c), saxi keeps looking for a 100% safe and 100% effective vaccine. There is NO such vaccine, drug, or even human endeavor.
8 ) Two more supporting planks to bolster my contention:
a) Ben Franklin (and Mark Twain) essentially said that the only two things certain in life are death and taxes.

Although used by Mark Twain, the quotation “The Only Two Certainties In Life Are Death And Taxes” is known to have originated in a 1789 letter from Benjamin Franklin to Jean-Baptiste Leroy, a prominent French scientist.

b) There is likely more danger of death and/or hospitalization in driving a vehicle than taking ANY vaccine, including the one(s) for COVID.
9) Even if someone gets vaccinated and gets a breakthrough case of COVID, the vaccine diminishes the impact and the person gets a milder case.
10) So to be safe, saxi can continue to live in his parents' basement, wrapped in tin foil, allowing life to go on and go by, as he munches his popcorn. The rest of us who understand life and understand RISK can continue to enjoy the ups and downs of life.
11) Anecdotal evidence: There are two teachers at my school who came down with COVID. One survived and one did not. The younger one died. To the best of my understanding, she was not vaccinated. The one who survived, a grandmother, returned after some 3 months out. When she did return, I talked to her about her experience. I asked her if she was vaccinated. (I assumed that she was NOT since she was out so long.) She told me she had been vaccinated. We agreed that if she did not get vaccinated, she too would have likely died of COVID.

Let me do my "John Hancock" touch for dds, so he won't miss this key conclusion:
12) Bottom Line: saxi is again shown to be wrong, shown to LIE, and saxi is FULL OF SHIT.

bigtoughralf wrote:Call me whatever you like but if you ever call me Scottish again I'll wash your mouth out with soap.

Mon then.

bigtoughralf wrote:Call me whatever you like but if you ever call me Scottish again I'll wash your mouth out with soap.

Okay, SmallSoftRalph. You got this one.

And be sure to wash the mouth of dds, too, while you are contemplating your next mouth to wash out.

Since Dec 20, three fully vaxxed pro footballers have mysteriously died of heart attacks. None of them had prior medical issues.

- Croatian Marin Cacic, 23 years old.
- Algerian Soufiane Lokar, 30 years old.
- Omani Makhlid Al Raqadi, 29 years old.

In the last several months there have been a statistically impossible surge in the number of other cardiac injuries among professional footballers.

The cause of the mysterious heart attack epidemic is unknown.

RIP to those who have died and those who will still die yet in the next year.

saxitoxin wrote:Since Dec 20, three fully vaxxed pro footballers have mysteriously died of heart attacks. None of them had prior medical issues.

- Croatian Marin Cacic, 23 years old.
- Algerian Soufiane Lokar, 30 years old.
- Omani Makhlid Al Raqadi, 29 years old.

In the last several months there have been a statistically impossible surge in the number of other cardiac injuries among professional footballers.

The cause of the mysterious heart attack epidemic is unknown.

RIP to those who have died and those who will still die yet in the next year.

And you are thinking this is related to a COVID vaccine? do you offer any proof? do you have any proof?

and you said, already:

The cause of the mysterious heart attack epidemic is unknown.

So, again, the Sky is NOT falling. SoS: same old saxi. Change the title, try to scare the weak-minded, AND tell LIES.

Probably the previously undetected Football disease.drinking a gallon of bleach would protect you against it. and everything else.

jusplay4fun wrote: And you are thinking this is related to a COVID vaccine? do you offer any proof? do you have any proof?

Actually, you're the only person who has brought that up in this thread.

I merely observed the sun is rising in the West, setting in the East, and - since last summer - there is an epidemic of young football players having mysterious and statistically improbable heart attacks.

saxitoxin wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote: And you are thinking this is related to a COVID vaccine? do you offer any proof? do you have any proof?

Actually, you're the only person who has brought that up in this thread.

I merely observed the sun is rising in the West, setting in the East, and - since last summer - there is an epidemic of young football players having mysterious and statistically improbable heart attacks.

so what? and why change the title of the thread?

This is simply another example of obfuscation. and SoS, Same old saxi, misleading statements, poor conclusions, and more FAKE NEWS.

simply look here:

FDA Rules J&J COVID Vax No Longer "Safe and Effective"
Postby saxitoxin on Tue Dec 21, 2021 2:00 pm

and here:

Growing Concern of mRNA Vax Cancer Connection
Postby saxitoxin on Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:32 am

And I am the one person who will consistently call you on your LIES on this topic. Again, you lost. You're a failure.

jusplay4fun wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote: And you are thinking this is related to a COVID vaccine? do you offer any proof? do you have any proof?

Actually, you're the only person who has brought that up in this thread.

I merely observed the sun is rising in the West, setting in the East, and - since last summer - there is an epidemic of young football players having mysterious and statistically improbable heart attacks.

so what? and why change the title of the thread?

This is simply another example of obfuscation. and SoS, Same old saxi, misleading statements, poor conclusions, and more FAKE NEWS.

simply look here:

FDA Rules J&J COVID Vax No Longer "Safe and Effective"
Postby saxitoxin on Tue Dec 21, 2021 2:00 pm

and here:

Growing Concern of mRNA Vax Cancer Connection
Postby saxitoxin on Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:32 am

And I am the one person who will consistently call you on your LIES on this topic. Again, you lost. You're a failure.

I've never made any conclusions. I merely posted that many footballers have been dying of heart attacks. You immediately connected it to the vaccine, not me. It sounds like this may be a subconscious fear you have about the vax.

saxitoxin wrote:Since Dec 20, three fully vaxxed pro footballers have mysteriously died of heart attacks. None of them had prior medical issues.

- Croatian Marin Cacic, 23 years old.
- Algerian Soufiane Lokar, 30 years old.
- Omani Makhlid Al Raqadi, 29 years old.

In the last several months there have been a statistically impossible surge in the number of other cardiac injuries among professional footballers.

The cause of the mysterious heart attack epidemic is unknown.

RIP to those who have died and those who will still die yet in the next year.

What does it matter that they were fully vaxxed or not? Why even mention that? Lol.

saxitoxin wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote: And you are thinking this is related to a COVID vaccine? do you offer any proof? do you have any proof?

Actually, you're the only person who has brought that up in this thread.

I merely observed the sun is rising in the West, setting in the East, and - since last summer - there is an epidemic of young football players having mysterious and statistically improbable heart attacks.

so what? and why change the title of the thread?

This is simply another example of obfuscation. and SoS, Same old saxi, misleading statements, poor conclusions, and more FAKE NEWS.

simply look here:

FDA Rules J&J COVID Vax No Longer "Safe and Effective"
Postby saxitoxin on Tue Dec 21, 2021 2:00 pm

and here:

Growing Concern of mRNA Vax Cancer Connection
Postby saxitoxin on Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:32 am

And I am the one person who will consistently call you on your LIES on this topic. Again, you lost. You're a failure.

I've never made any conclusions. I merely posted that many footballers have been dying of heart attacks. You immediately connected it to the vaccine, not me. It sounds like this may be a subconscious fear you have about the vax.

So, saxi, WHY post it HERE AND change the name of the thread?

Why? to try to spread more of your FAKE NEWS, like I already said. SoS, and more Obfuscation. Let me change the font size for dds to see better.

And I made a valid conclusion: saxi is a Proven Liar and is Full of SHIT.

jusplay4fun wrote: your FAKE NEWS, like I already said

Nope.

• CROATIAN football is in mourning following the death of 23-year-old defender Marin Cacic. The NK Nehaj player collapsed in training a few days ago and was taken to hospital where he was placed into a coma. It is reported that the centre-half 'suddenly collapsed during training' after suffering a 'heart attack'.
  
  https://www.the-sun.com/sport/premier-l ... k-croatia/

• On the first day of Christmas, the captain of the Algerian team Mouloudia Saida - Soufiane Lokar died. The player fell onto the pitch during his team's match against the Oran Association in the second league of Algerian. The medics quickly reached the footballer, but were unable to help him. According to the latest reports, the athlete suffered a heart attack. Lokar was 30 years old.
  
  https://nczas.com/2021/12/26/trzej-kole ... -z-sercem/

• Omani football has been experiencing tragedy and pain following the announcement of the death of Omani Muscat club player Khalid al-Raqadi during a training session in front of Al before the start of a local league game. In the tragic scene, Taste and the Oman Sports Channel released a video of the player’s condition when he fell, announcing his death before the game began, and a painful video statement that even the match referee could not control himself. And entered with tears.
  
  https://www.dubaiweek.ae/tragic-report- ... ing-video/