[Official] Classic Revamp [Quenched]

[saaimen]

Disagree.

[The Neon Peon]

Why not go back to the original title that used the CC font? No one raised any issue about it (except for the city behind it), so I'd just go back to it without the city in the background.

[mpjh]

v6 you look marrrvelous

[the.killing.44]

Why not go back to the original title that used the CC font? No one raised any issue about it (except for the city behind it), so I'd just go back to it without the city in the background.

Yeah people did, which prompted the change of title font. The CC font looked like complete shit on it. Also, disagree with colton, this combo is the best.

[cyrenius]

do not take away my shapes
from the new version I like V4 best

[harborpirate]

Has Vladivostok been considered instead of Magadan? Vladivostok had a population of 594,701 and was Russia's 23rd largest city in their 2002 census. Magadan had 99,389 and was 170th.

Vladivostok is an important location because it is Russia's only eastern port which is ice free all year. Furthermore, its far enough north that even though it would be slightly more crowded on the map, you could "fudge" it a little bit and everything should still work just fine.

Apologies if this has come up before!

I'd love to see Yakutsk drop off the map again, but it does create some problems. I think in a "left shift" you could safely add St. Petersburg because its so far north, but the problem is that in order to match the original territory attack lines, St. Petersburg would be able to attack Delhi, and Omsk/Astana could attack Hong Kong. These seem a little ridiculous. Plus the fact that St. Petersburg would be part of "Asia". Unfortunately, any other choice would make Asia extremely crowded. So perhaps having a fictitious large city in Siberia is the best we can do.

The only other thing I can think of is to use Pandemic style "pointers" to get around this problem and add Seoul, Korea back in along with Vladivostok. Actually I'm going to get behind that and recommend that as the best alternative solution to having small Siberian cities on the map.

Otherwise this looks great, and far less copyright infringing.

[ustus]

1) The jets are gone... I liked the jets. I mean, a lot...

2) as to classic being centered: it's placed in line with the end of greenland. Graphically, it looks like the arctic ocean was put there just to house the name...

3) perhaps, if it's going to be the title map for CC you should include the CC star someplace? like, idk, behind the title?

[Robinette]

Saaaaaaaaayyy...

I was just thinking,,,

Any plans to release this on a significant date, like on the 4th anniversary?
Or the start of the holiday week... "Merry Christmas" to us all, from lack and sully, lol

Oh oh oh... and for the freemies... a free weekend of unlimited games on this map to launch it...


In any case, i hope it's sooner rather than later

[Bruceswar]

I am still a fan of this legend...

[ender516]

1) The jets are gone... I liked the jets. I mean, a lot...

2) as to classic being centered: it's placed in line with the end of greenland. Graphically, it looks like the arctic ocean was put there just to house the name...

3) perhaps, if it's going to be the title map for CC you should include the CC star someplace? like, idk, behind the title?

Yes, it might be worth a look at a version with the CC star behind the title. I'm not sure if the red of the site logo would work, or the white of the title, or if you should go with something more like a watermark by just darkening the ocean.

[ender516]

Saaaaaaaaayyy...

I was just thinking,,,

Any plans to release this on a significant date, like on the 4th anniversary?
Or the start of the holiday week... "Merry Christmas" to us all, from lack and sully, lol

Oh oh oh... and for the freemies... a free weekend of unlimited games on this map to launch it...


In any case, i hope it's sooner rather than later

EXCELLENT IDEA. It would behoove the admins to play this up in any advertising they do for the site.

[MrBenn]

Any plans to release this on a significant date, like on the 4th anniversary?
Or the start of the holiday week... "Merry Christmas" to us all, from lack and sully, lol

There is no specific target date in mind, but I will go mad if it's not done and dusted by the end of the year. Behind the scenes I've said that I want the map finished by Christmas - but as for when it eventually goes live, that'll be down to the big turtle himself.

From a practical point of view, I'm going to impose a 10-day limit for further discussion about places etc. After November 16th, the places named on the map will be an ever fixéd mark...

[Peter Gibbons]

From a practical point of view, I'm going to impose a 10-day limit for further discussion about places etc. After November 16th, the places named on the map will be an ever fixéd mark...

Good. I think what this thread needs is direction on the details because, on the whole, I think everyone is coalescing around most general points.

So I'll use this post to reiterate my geographic/name concerns:

1) New Zealand should be on this map visually.

2) Manila is part of Asia, not Oceania. Even Jakarta is a bit iffy, but Indonesia was part of Oceania on the original board, so I think that passes. Anyway, I'd suggest a Jakarta entry point with Perth, Darwin (or Port Moresby) and Sydney being the other three cities. Alternatively, if Jakarta gets incorporated in Asia (see point #3 below) I'd advocate a Perth entry point with Darwin (or Port Moresby), Sydney and Auckland being the other three cities. No matter what is decided, I think Manila should be eliminated from Oceania.

3) This is the hardest point of discussion, but if it's physically doable, I still think Asia should be reworked a little. If you just make Jakarta and Manila part of Asia (as I allude to in point #2), you can eliminate Magadan and Yakutsk. The connection to North America then gets moved south and the interior cities can be played around with until everyone is somewhat satsified. But the basic complaint about Asia seems to be the northern cities are totally unknown and don't fit the map narrative of "World Cities." Incorporating Jakarta and Manila into Asia begins to solve that problem.

[bonobo`s son]

I would suggest using the capital of Australia, Canberra instead of Sydney.

[sdhillson]

This is the hardest point of discussion, but if it's physically doable, I still think Asia should be reworked a little. If you just make Jakarta and Manila part of Asia (as I allude to in point #2), you can eliminate Magadan and Yakutsk. The connection to North America then gets moved south and the interior cities can be played around with until everyone is somewhat satsified. But the basic complaint about Asia seems to be the northern cities are totally unknown and don't fit the map narrative of "World Cities." Incorporating Jakarta and Manila into Asia begins to solve that problem.

I don't think your idea is physically doable and I would definitely consider Indonesia (i.e. Jakarta) part of Oceania even if that's not technically the case. So IMO this idea is not worth pursuing.

I agree that the cities in N Asia are not as well known, but not having them will create large empty spaces on the board and cramp southern Asia, so I don't think there's much you can do about it. Harbor Pirate's idea of pointers might solve this, but no other part of the map needs them, so I don't know if they should be added just for Asia.

There's no doubt that the current V6 is pretty good, but I'm still of the opinion that China should have a connection to SE Asia just because of the sheer logic of it. I've proposed a solution with this connection made, but it ends up adding more cities to N Asia, so I certainly see the downside to it. If Sully can come up with a solution to these problems, I'd be excited to see it, but we might just have to accept the map as is.

[harborpirate]

At the very least consider Valdivostok, it only moves the farthest northeast city slightly south, (especially if you fudge its location just a little) and makes a lot more sense.

I still dislike "Yatusk" as a world city, but I realize its much tougher to fix.

[ender516]

This is the hardest point of discussion, but if it's physically doable, I still think Asia should be reworked a little. If you just make Jakarta and Manila part of Asia (as I allude to in point #2), you can eliminate Magadan and Yakutsk. The connection to North America then gets moved south and the interior cities can be played around with until everyone is somewhat satsified. But the basic complaint about Asia seems to be the northern cities are totally unknown and don't fit the map narrative of "World Cities." Incorporating Jakarta and Manila into Asia begins to solve that problem.

I don't think your idea is physically doable and I would definitely consider Indonesia (i.e. Jakarta) part of Oceania even if that's not technically the case. So IMO this idea is not worth pursuing.

I agree that the cities in N Asia are not as well known, but not having them will create large empty spaces on the board and cramp southern Asia, so I don't think there's much you can do about it. Harbor Pirate's idea of pointers might solve this, but no other part of the map needs them, so I don't know if they should be added just for Asia.

There's no doubt that the current V6 is pretty good, but I'm still of the opinion that China should have a connection to SE Asia just because of the sheer logic of it. I've proposed a solution with this connection made, but it ends up adding more cities to N Asia, so I certainly see the downside to it. If Sully can come up with a solution to these problems, I'd be excited to see it, but we might just have to accept the map as is.

If reworking Asia leaves a large space in N. Asia, it can be filled with a decorative item (we may get that CC circle/star on here yet), but the crowding in the south will still have to be dealt with.

[Peter Gibbons]

I would suggest using the capital of Australia, Canberra instead of Sydney.

Why? It's not a "World Capitals" map. Otherwise Ottawa, Washington, Brasilia and Pretoria would be obvious choices.

Sydney is a much more obvious choice than Canberra.

[lackattack]

Just treat my city opinions as another datapoint:

* I recognize Caracas better than Bogota

2) Manila is part of Asia, not Oceania. Even Jakarta is a bit iffy, but Indonesia was part of Oceania on the original board, so I think that passes. Anyway, I'd suggest a Jakarta entry point with Perth, Darwin (or Port Moresby) and Sydney being the other three cities. Alternatively, if Jakarta gets incorporated in Asia (see point #3 below) I'd advocate a Perth entry point with Darwin (or Port Moresby), Sydney and Auckland being the other three cities. No matter what is decided, I think Manila should be eliminated from Oceania.

* I prefer Manila because Conquer Club kinda has an office there, but if you consider it part of Asia then I think it should be replaced with a city in New Zealand (like Auckland or Wellington)

At the very least consider Valdivostok, it only moves the farthest northeast city slightly south, (especially if you fudge its location just a little) and makes a lot more sense.

* I might have already said this, but I recognize Vladivostok more than Magadan

[sully800]

While I love New Zealand, placing a city there mad the map into a really funny shape. Port Moresby would be more traditional in arrangement and I think it would look better than Auckland or Manila. If moving to Port Moresby allows for a better Asia arrangement than I may indeed go that route.

Yakutsk is extremely obscure as a city, but well known in the risk world already which is positive.

Vladivostok is certainly more recognizable than Magadan, but it is WAY far south. Basically at the 'g' in Beijing (actually even a bit further South than that). If we want to put a city in such a cramped area I would 100% prefer Seoul. The pointer idea is a pretty good one! That might be the best way to include Seoul and Shanghai instead of Magadan and whatever else. I'll do a mock up of that because I think it is the best suggested change so far.

[isaiah40]

While I love New Zealand, placing a city there mad the map into a really funny shape. Port Moresby would be more traditional in arrangement and I think it would look better than Auckland or Manila. If moving to Port Moresby allows for a better Asia arrangement than I may indeed go that route.

Yakutsk is extremely obscure as a city, but well known in the risk world already which is positive.

Vladivostok is certainly more recognizable than Magadan, but it is WAY far south. Basically at the 'g' in Beijing (actually even a bit further South than that). If we want to put a city in such a cramped area I would 100% prefer Seoul. The pointer idea is a pretty good one! That might be the best way to include Seoul and Shanghai instead of Magadan and whatever else. I'll do a mock up of that because I think it is the best suggested change so far.

How about using something like pushpins? Just an idea if you're going to try the pointer idea.

[the.killing.44]

While I love New Zealand, placing a city there mad the map into a really funny shape. Port Moresby would be more traditional in arrangement and I think it would look better than Auckland or Manila. If moving to Port Moresby allows for a better Asia arrangement than I may indeed go that route.

Yakutsk is extremely obscure as a city, but well known in the risk world already which is positive.

Vladivostok is certainly more recognizable than Magadan, but it is WAY far south. Basically at the 'g' in Beijing (actually even a bit further South than that). If we want to put a city in such a cramped area I would 100% prefer Seoul. The pointer idea is a pretty good one! That might be the best way to include Seoul and Shanghai instead of Magadan and whatever else. I'll do a mock up of that because I think it is the best suggested change so far.

How about using something like pushpins? Just an idea if you're going to try the pointer idea.

Taht could be genius. Maybe not for this map, but that is an excellent idea.

[sdhillson]

If pointers are a possibility, here is an arrangement of cities in asia that I think addresses most comments
Obviously, this doesn't have pointers, so the spacing is not what it will look like, but it shows what could be realistic connections. Hong Kong is the central territory, and Shanghai, Seoul, Vladivostok, and Manila become part of Asia. The only somewhat illogical thing about this layout is no connection between Hong Kong and Manila, but if the pointer for Hong Kong pulls it to the center of China, you'll barely notice.

Another option is to have Shanghai instead be the center of Asia, but then the connection from Hong Kong to Beijing will cross Shanghai's pointer and there will be no connection from Shanghai to Seoul. That would look something like this:

[Ninja Warrior]

Hell yeah. We just got a new computer this morning, so i'm back on-line. Let's start a game tomorrow.

[sully800]

Here's a rough version with the pointers included. I really like the new cities that are included (Seoul and Shanghai instead of Magadan and Yakutsk) but it feels like a big step backward in terms of clarity. I have a feeling the pointers might confuse players, and Shanghai is not a great name because it's a little long and has a 'g' right in the center which tends to overhang the army shadow. Any tips on how to improve this version would be appreciated, then hopefully we can vote to see if the "pointer version" is preferred or not.



Here's version 6 again for comparison.