Re: who was the greatest american president
Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 1:22 pm
Ummm....yer missing the point....what does the Bible say about hate??????
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Re: who was the greatest american president
Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 1:28 pm
I voted Harrison because it sounds like 'garrison'
Re: who was the greatest american president
Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 1:58 pm
JJM wrote:At least all christians hate him.StiffMittens wrote:JJM wrote:I'm a christian to but I think we can all agree that we all hate the devil.
I don't.
No, we despise what he has done.
Hatred eats at our own souls.
JJM wrote:I hate Andrew Jackson more than any other preisident. He was a freak.
The word "hatred" aside, why do you say he was so terrible?
Re: who was the greatest american president
Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 2:05 pm
JJM wrote:You want more examples? When Spain owned Florida Florida was very uncivilized. They didn't do much governing. They would raid across the borders. So instead of leting the National Guard do its job Andrew Jackson just decided to take his army into Florida. Just imagin if we did that to Mexico to try to solve our Border problems. Once Jackson had a cabinet member named John Eaton and his wife was named Peggy Eaton. Rumor had it that Peggy's first husband was abuseive and she narried Jhon while still married to someone else. Other cabinet wives ridicouled her for this. Jackson felt bad because his wife had to deal with the same problem. So when the cabinet Wives refused to git along with her he asked all his cabinet members to resign.neanderpaul14 wrote:JJM wrote:How can you admire the devil. From my point of veiw Jackson wasen't any better than Saddam Huessan. They both killed innocent people.Snorri1234 wrote:JJM wrote:Every time someone insulted Jackson when he was present he would challenge them to a dual. Good thing that isn't allowed today or these debates would be kind of hard to have.
It would be fucking amazing. Upon contemplation of this, I must say that although he was a murderer, I can't help but like him.
I think calling Jackson "the devil" is a bit harsh.
You seem to be basing this entirely on the fact that he was an Indian fighter and was willing to fight duels with people when he felt personally insulted.
Jackson was the product of a frontier environment. When he was growing up Indian raids on frontier settlements were actually commonplace. As for his willingness to fight duels, living on the frontier in the southern U.S. at this time men would not be expected to accept slights on their honor. At times many of these incidents could only be settled by a duel or an act of cowardice by one of the parties.
Okay let's see now your adding to your whole "he was the devil" premise by stating that he was an ambitious war hero who loved his wife.
Let's recap: man of his times, fearless, war hero, who loved his wife. Well you've certainly convinced me. I wanna change my vote to Andrew Jackson.
Hickory.......Hickory...........Hickory
***Tosses JJM a 20 "Admire the portrait and keep the change"***
Re: who was the greatest american president
Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 2:11 pm
neanderpaul14 wrote:Okay let's see now your adding to your whole "he was the devil" premise by stating that he was an ambitious war hero who loved his wife.
Let's recap: man of his times, fearless, war hero, who loved his wife. Well you've certainly convinced me. I wanna change my vote to Andrew Jackson.
Hickory.......Hickory...........Hickory
***Tosses JJM a 20 "Admire the portrait and keep the change"***
I have been told that Andrew Jackson was one of the most misunderstood presidents in history. His choice was unfortunate... a failed attempt to appease the south. He was in an untenable situation and therefore doomed to fail, but when you look at his real record and understanding of issues, it seems he could have done well if the country had not already collapsed around him.
A president who was impeached (check the definition... he was,though he was not removed from office) cannot be classed as a good president, but to revile him as a "devil" seems a bit harsh.
Re: who was the greatest american president
Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 2:30 pm
PLAYER57832 wrote:neanderpaul14 wrote:Okay let's see now your adding to your whole "he was the devil" premise by stating that he was an ambitious war hero who loved his wife.
Let's recap: man of his times, fearless, war hero, who loved his wife. Well you've certainly convinced me. I wanna change my vote to Andrew Jackson.
Hickory.......Hickory...........Hickory
***Tosses JJM a 20 "Admire the portrait and keep the change"***
I have been told that Andrew Jackson was one of the most misunderstood presidents in history. His choice was unfortunate... a failed attempt to appease the south. He was in an untenable situation and therefore doomed to fail, but when you look at his real record and understanding of issues, it seems he could have done well if the country had not already collapsed around him.
A president who was impeached (check the definition... he was,though he was not removed from office) cannot be classed as a good president, but to revile him as a "devil" seems a bit harsh.
You're thinking of Andrew Johnson. Andrew Jackson is controversial, but a lot of people think we has great.
Re: who was the greatest american president
Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 2:49 pm
InkL0sed wrote:You're thinking of Andrew Johnson. Andrew Jackson is controversial, but a lot of people think we has great.
Yes, my mistake! Andrew Johnson was the 67th president, correct?
Re: who was the greatest american president
Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 2:53 pm
PLAYER57832 wrote:InkL0sed wrote:You're thinking of Andrew Johnson. Andrew Jackson is controversial, but a lot of people think we has great.
Yes, my mistake! Andrew Johnson was the 67th president, correct?
Ummm 67th I think you made a typo
Re: who was the greatest american president
Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 2:55 pm
goodness who voted for Kennedy?
Re: who was the greatest american president
Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 2:56 pm
happy2seeyou wrote:goodness who voted for Kennedy?
Me for one. However after JJM opened my eyes I now officially change my vote to Jackson
Re: who was the greatest american president
Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 2:57 pm
Re: who was the greatest american president
Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 3:07 pm
neanderpaul14 wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote:InkL0sed wrote:You're thinking of Andrew Johnson. Andrew Jackson is controversial, but a lot of people think we has great.
Yes, my mistake! Andrew Johnson was the 67th president, correct?
Ummm 67th I think you made a typo
Did I?
Re: who was the greatest american president
Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 5:13 pm
happy2seeyou wrote:[-(
Why do you hate him so much, out of curiosity?
Re: who was the greatest american president
Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 8:15 pm
Nope I meant Andrew Jackson. Andrew Johnson was queit bad to but Jackson was nothing but a no good scoundral. He promised that he would let any Indian tribe that fought on his side during the war of 1812 during the battle of New orleans keep there land and he broke his promise. Johnson was queit awful to but Jackson was terrible. From my point of veiw Jackson was every bit as bad as Saddam Huessan maybe even worse. They both killed many innocent people. Who ever suggested that we put Jackson on the 20 dollar bill has a lot to be ashamed of. Jackson killed many Indians on the trail of tears. He was an absolute scoundral.InkL0sed wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote:neanderpaul14 wrote:Okay let's see now your adding to your whole "he was the devil" premise by stating that he was an ambitious war hero who loved his wife.
Let's recap: man of his times, fearless, war hero, who loved his wife. Well you've certainly convinced me. I wanna change my vote to Andrew Jackson.
Hickory.......Hickory...........Hickory
***Tosses JJM a 20 "Admire the portrait and keep the change"***
I have been told that Andrew Jackson was one of the most misunderstood presidents in history. His choice was unfortunate... a failed attempt to appease the south. He was in an untenable situation and therefore doomed to fail, but when you look at his real record and understanding of issues, it seems he could have done well if the country had not already collapsed around him.
A president who was impeached (check the definition... he was,though he was not removed from office) cannot be classed as a good president, but to revile him as a "devil" seems a bit harsh.
You're thinking of Andrew Johnson. Andrew Jackson is controversial, but a lot of people think we has great.
Re: who was the greatest american president
Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 8:20 pm
Dude, how idiotic can you get? Did you even see who I quoted?
Why do you think everything everybody says is addressed to you?
Why do you think everything everybody says is addressed to you?
Re: who was the greatest american president
Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 8:31 pm
Yeah I have no idea why people love Kennedy soooo much. He had a lot of good ideas, but he didn't have time to put them into practice, as far as I know.... at least not the way that "he had envisioned them." It would be like Obama dieing now. Good President, everyone will remember what he symbolized; but all-in-all he was not nearly the best.
But I mean he did have time for the Bay of Pigs and Vietnam War!....
And though the Cuban Missle Crisis did go well for us; We were still literally minutes away from nuclear holocaust. I guess I still give him that one. Good call.
I have never understood what he did exactly to get on our money. He was a pretty hardcore racist-murder-er. All in all he was one of our worst presidents if you were not white. If not the worst.
But I mean he did have time for the Bay of Pigs and Vietnam War!....
And though the Cuban Missle Crisis did go well for us; We were still literally minutes away from nuclear holocaust. I guess I still give him that one. Good call.
JJM wrote:Who ever suggested that we put Jackson on the 20 dollar bill has a lot to be ashamed of.
I have never understood what he did exactly to get on our money. He was a pretty hardcore racist-murder-er. All in all he was one of our worst presidents if you were not white. If not the worst.
Re: who was the greatest american president
Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 8:45 pm
JJM wrote:Nope I meant Andrew Jackson. Andrew Johnson was queit bad to but ....InkL0sed wrote:You're thinking of Andrew Johnson. Andrew Jackson is controversial, but a lot of people think we has great.
Yep, our 67th president is certainly the worst!
Re: who was the greatest american president
Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 9:36 pm
That crooks doing better than Truman. I say Truman was absolutle magnificent and here they put a crook before him.
Re: who was the greatest american president
Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 9:45 pm
JJM wrote:That crooks doing better than Truman. I say Truman was absolutle magnificent and here they put a crook before him.
Hold on...you're calling out Jackson for Native American genocide, but Truman killing over 100,000 Japanese citizens (not even counting those that died after the two initial nukes) still leaves him with "magnificent"? How is that, exactly?
Re: who was the greatest american president
Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 10:29 pm
My computer is having a few problems right now, but I believe Andrew Jackson (not to say that he wasn't a racist bastard) was the one who helped make it so that people other than landowners could vote, as well as soundly winning the Battle of New Orleans.
Re: who was the greatest american president
Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 12:40 pm
lets not have a repeat of the other day huh guys.....with the spam threads........
Re: who was the greatest american president
Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 12:40 pm
Holy bejeesus this thread has been here for days.
Re: who was the greatest american president
Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 12:42 pm
Neoteny wrote:Holy bejeesus this thread has been here for days.
yup..see that now...was referring to them all starting out the same as the other threads that were all started on the same day within a few minutes of each other...carry on
Re: who was the greatest american president
Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 12:59 pm
muy_thaiguy wrote:My computer is having a few problems right now, but I believe Andrew Jackson (not to say that he wasn't a racist bastard) was the one who helped make it so that people other than landowners could vote, as well as soundly winning the Battle of New Orleans.
The right to vote is kinda a big deal I guess.
But the Battle of New Orleans? I can't say it wasn't important... but then again, I can't say how important it was.
Frigidus wrote:How is that, exactly?
It's not even apples to oranges!
Re: who was the greatest american president
Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 2:48 pm
Juan_Bottom wrote:Frigidus wrote:How is that, exactly?
It's not even apples to oranges!
You're right, Truman knew that his actions would result in the deaths of thousands, Jackson just did a hack job of it (possibly because he was a racist who didn't give a shit). Either way, both should be held accountable for their crimes. At the very least you can't say that one is "the devil" while the other is "magnificent".