alt1978 wrote:Sitting at the top of that list...I'm not sure how I feel about being pressured to claim. A couple of folks have put some pressure on me now. How about we have people claim in alphabetical order...no wait...shit. That doesn't help me either. Is there anything besides order of draft that we should be looking at or in this kind of game is that focal point day one? If inactivity is still a scummy tell since we appear to be heading out joke stage...Ragian hasn't said anything for awhile now (comparative to other folks). Fingernail clipping of uncertainty towards Ragian.
When starting from the top of the list, on a page long long ago, you said you did not want to start at the top of the list and provided this. I thought it was scummy before, but now?
alt1978 wrote:I know it didn't get much traction earlier (quite possibly because the idea sucked) but if the goal is to narrow down fake claims available to mafia (which i think is a good thing) should we start from the bottom up in considering the roles? If we could identify the 3-4 most likely...say maybe even probable roles that were not selected...it seems like it would really put the mafia in a tight box about what they could claim. Let's say we identify 4 roles that are simply not likely to have been chosen...(again only if that is possible...i'm getting into ground i'm not sure of here)...but then it would more or less make everyone claim true...or run the risk of claiming something super skummy. Of course up front someone could say that they have one of those roles perhaps...and the logistics of compiling such a list may be too hard. However...there is little risk of exposing critical roles this way, and it would give us more information to work with and maybe put the mafia into a tighter box.
In my opinion this post did not help your case any. So therefore, I beleive this is either a scumtell, or I am screwing the town over in calling out our doctor. Either way, your constant suggestions of trying to get away from claiming does not sit well with me in the least, and therefore I Vote Alt because of trying NOT to claim. It is either fear of not being able to fake claim, or fear that your claim is going to be bad for the town (in that you are doc, or another very important role). For now, I believe that the chance of you being mafia outweighs the chance of you being town.
I dont know why this appears strange that he would fight off having to claim as you stated,
ghostly447 wrote: It is either fear of not being able to fake claim, or fear that your claim is going to be bad for the town (in that you are doc, or another very important role).
He is first on the list so there is a very good chance based on the logistics of the game that he would be powerful to some degree. Could he be Mafia, yes but either way more than likely he has a more powerful role. This game has a different flavor and the first day everyone is trying to protect themselves since everyone has a power and being at the top of the list already puts a huge target on your head. I dont see it as a scum tell more as a he got the top slot and will be focused on no matter what so trying to defuse that.
Oh my god I need to remember this isnt the same setup. unvote. I am still getting confused every post.
Like I said earlier...I have nothing to hide and am not the doctor (I'm pretty sure I said that before but you might have skimmed over that)...so pressuring me isn't a bad choice if you want to make the case. I was making an attempt to participate...maybe the eliminating unwanted roles is a bad idea. However ghostly...I don't see anywhere in my post where I indicate that I am trying not to claim. What I was trying to do(perhaps unsuccessfully or ignorantly) was to limit the potential fake claims mafia could make. The first post you referenced ghostly...was in the context of a mass claim that was being pushed for. I think given that context...most people have since agreed that it's probably not in town's best interest to mass claim. I think taking the post out of context...and from the light humor section of the thread...is a reach. However, if the eliminating possible roles from the bottom up is a bad idea...then maybe I deserve some pressure because I sure haven't contributed much else productive here the last few days to help.
Fastposted by a couple of posts...but I'll post my response anyway.
freezie wrote:Too many people are too focused on trying to guess how to make a partial/full mass claim work.
It won't. We need to scum hunt the old fashioned way until we have more info on possible roles. ON day 1 it's not going to lead us anywhere.
So are you saying random pressure?
Semi random pressure. Every case day one will be weak but you can still find something to base your case off of. Look at my case against SG7, barely anything there but that's all we usually get day one. After day one it's not so random anymore.
freezie wrote:Too many people are too focused on trying to guess how to make a partial/full mass claim work.
It won't. We need to scum hunt the old fashioned way until we have more info on possible roles. ON day 1 it's not going to lead us anywhere.
So are you saying random pressure?
Semi random pressure. Every case day one will be weak but you can still find something to base your case off of. Look at my case against SG7, barely anything there but that's all we usually get day one. After day one it's not so random anymore.
I don't really see any cases emerging. I'm just waiting for dazza to catch up
freezie wrote:Too many people are too focused on trying to guess how to make a partial/full mass claim work.
It won't. We need to scum hunt the old fashioned way until we have more info on possible roles. ON day 1 it's not going to lead us anywhere.
So are you saying random pressure?
Semi random pressure. Every case day one will be weak but you can still find something to base your case off of. Look at my case against SG7, barely anything there but that's all we usually get day one. After day one it's not so random anymore.
I don't really see any cases emerging. I'm just waiting for dazza to catch up
I have caught up now. Not sure what I think. I did not see any mega obvious cases.
I think like others have said we need to find something and start to pressure someone.
hey guys i just want to let everyone know that i am here but on the weekend of march 23 that friday through sunday i will not be online at all due to the fact that i have a comedy show to host and may be visiting family out of state ill do my best to get online that weekend but as of now its not looking to good
alt1978 wrote:I know it didn't get much traction earlier (quite possibly because the idea sucked) but if the goal is to narrow down fake claims available to mafia (which i think is a good thing) should we start from the bottom up in considering the roles? If we could identify the 3-4 most likely...say maybe even probable roles that were not selected...it seems like it would really put the mafia in a tight box about what they could claim. Let's say we identify 4 roles that are simply not likely to have been chosen...(again only if that is possible...i'm getting into ground i'm not sure of here)...but then it would more or less make everyone claim true...or run the risk of claiming something super skummy. Of course up front someone could say that they have one of those roles perhaps...and the logistics of compiling such a list may be too hard.
Since everyone has their own opinions on what roles are the best or worst (for both alignments) it seems like coming up with some roles would universally not have been chosen by anyone is infeasible at best.
Yeah, I think that will be good come claim time but only for players above the bottom few. If someone at the middle-top says they picked double voter then it will take a fair bit of explaining. On that subject I haven't noticed any ? votes yet so perhaps it is one of the few not chosen.
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i dont think ive posted what i think about the mass/partial claim if i have o well you will have to read it again lol i dont like the idea. i believe you guys are coming up with good ideas but there are still holes in these ideas that mafia can slip through and win the game may it be easy for them or difficult to do its still there. so in my opinion there is no way to fully "clear" anyone by using a partial/mass claim so there is no point in even trying take this as me being scummy and trying not to have this partial/mass claim if you wish, but im just putting my opinion out there
freezie wrote:Too many people are too focused on trying to guess how to make a partial/full mass claim work.
It won't. We need to scum hunt the old fashioned way until we have more info on possible roles. ON day 1 it's not going to lead us anywhere.
So are you saying random pressure?
Semi random pressure. Every case day one will be weak but you can still find something to base your case off of. Look at my case against SG7, barely anything there but that's all we usually get day one. After day one it's not so random anymore.
Weak cases is the norm on day 1. Plus inactive cases ( which I always more or less agree but I got to aknowledge they often happen )
Going to re-read and try to find something..Something else since many are giving Clever the benefit of the noob doubt. Unvote
pmchugh wrote:Yeah, I think that will be good come claim time but only for players above the bottom few. If someone at the middle-top says they picked double voter then it will take a fair bit of explaining. On that subject I haven't noticed any ? votes yet so perhaps it is one of the few not chosen.
I thought about the double voter for a while. He may not be here, but if he is, there's one of two choices:
-He doesn't want to have Rodion mess with the ? for no real reason.
-He's mafia.
Really, a mafia double voter would be golden. Cast a quick hammer without drawning attention at all. Which is why I am going to say this:
From now on, we should consider L-1 as the hammer. Just to be safe in case there's a mafia double voter out there.
pmchugh wrote:Yeah, I think that will be good come claim time but only for players above the bottom few. If someone at the middle-top says they picked double voter then it will take a fair bit of explaining. On that subject I haven't noticed any ? votes yet so perhaps it is one of the few not chosen.
I thought about the double voter for a while. He may not be here, but if he is, there's one of two choices:
-He doesn't want to have Rodion mess with the ? for no real reason.
-He's mafia.
Really, a mafia double voter would be golden. Cast a quick hammer without drawning attention at all. Which is why I am going to say this:
From now on, we should consider L-1 as the hammer. Just to be safe in case there's a mafia double voter out there.
This is good sense and I support this. Watch the VCs.
Edoc'sil
Commander9 wrote:Trust Edoc, as I know he's VERY good.
pmchugh wrote:Yeah, I think that will be good come claim time but only for players above the bottom few. If someone at the middle-top says they picked double voter then it will take a fair bit of explaining. On that subject I haven't noticed any ? votes yet so perhaps it is one of the few not chosen.
I thought about the double voter for a while. He may not be here, but if he is, there's one of two choices:
-He doesn't want to have Rodion mess with the ? for no real reason.
-He's mafia.
Really, a mafia double voter would be golden. Cast a quick hammer without drawning attention at all. Which is why I am going to say this:
From now on, we should consider L-1 as the hammer. Just to be safe in case there's a mafia double voter out there.
ok so im not the double voter now but i have been one and they cant just steal a vote during the day they have to wait till night to send in there action and then they get the vote so they wouldnt actually have a second vote till day two well thats how it was for me in the hectic eclectic mafia
Thats also if anyone thought to have that. However someone could have ended up with it if they didnt get their roles and just was dropped that but makes for a secret hammer which can be kinda brutal
edocsil wrote:Double voter gets 2 votes. No stealing involved for a typical DV.
how do you know for sure?? i was a double voter and had to actually steal someones vote maybe rodion is different but no way to tell for sure
You are thinking of a different role, Politician. It has some similarities with the Double voter in that they both deal with an extra vote. However, the Double Voter simply has 2 votes while the Politician steals one from someone else.
pmchugh wrote:Yeah, I think that will be good come claim time but only for players above the bottom few. If someone at the middle-top says they picked double voter then it will take a fair bit of explaining. On that subject I haven't noticed any ? votes yet so perhaps it is one of the few not chosen.
I thought about the double voter for a while. He may not be here, but if he is, there's one of two choices:
-He doesn't want to have Rodion mess with the ? for no real reason.
-He's mafia.
Really, a mafia double voter would be golden. Cast a quick hammer without drawning attention at all. Which is why I am going to say this:
From now on, we should consider L-1 as the hammer. Just to be safe in case there's a mafia double voter out there.
I wouldn't consider that a bad thing on day 1, because once we find the double voter we got a sure lynch.
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pmchugh wrote:Yeah, I think that will be good come claim time but only for players above the bottom few. If someone at the middle-top says they picked double voter then it will take a fair bit of explaining. On that subject I haven't noticed any ? votes yet so perhaps it is one of the few not chosen.
I thought about the double voter for a while. He may not be here, but if he is, there's one of two choices:
-He doesn't want to have Rodion mess with the ? for no real reason.
-He's mafia.
Really, a mafia double voter would be golden. Cast a quick hammer without drawning attention at all. Which is why I am going to say this:
From now on, we should consider L-1 as the hammer. Just to be safe in case there's a mafia double voter out there.
I wouldn't consider that a bad thing on day 1, because once we find the double voter we got a sure lynch.
You continue to assume that there are no supplied fakes. Have I missed the mod explicitly stating that? From my point of view you are assuming insider info from the scums perspective. So tell me, am I making a mistake? Have I missed something? Why are you so certain there are no fakes?
Edoc'sil
Commander9 wrote:Trust Edoc, as I know he's VERY good.
pmchugh wrote:Yeah, I think that will be good come claim time but only for players above the bottom few. If someone at the middle-top says they picked double voter then it will take a fair bit of explaining. On that subject I haven't noticed any ? votes yet so perhaps it is one of the few not chosen.
I thought about the double voter for a while. He may not be here, but if he is, there's one of two choices:
-He doesn't want to have Rodion mess with the ? for no real reason.
-He's mafia.
Really, a mafia double voter would be golden. Cast a quick hammer without drawning attention at all. Which is why I am going to say this:
From now on, we should consider L-1 as the hammer. Just to be safe in case there's a mafia double voter out there.
I wouldn't consider that a bad thing on day 1, because once we find the double voter we got a sure lynch.
You continue to assume that there are no supplied fakes. Have I missed the mod explicitly stating that? From my point of view you are assuming insider info from the scums perspective. So tell me, am I making a mistake? Have I missed something? Why are you so certain there are no fakes?
I suppose it is a possibility that the extra mafia roles were given fake claims which would hamper the claiming plan, especially if they are at the bottom of the list which is why I wanted to start at the top. However that is completely irrelevant to the post you quoted, why would a mafia member with a town role be supplied with a fake claim?
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pmchugh wrote:Yeah, I think that will be good come claim time but only for players above the bottom few. If someone at the middle-top says they picked double voter then it will take a fair bit of explaining. On that subject I haven't noticed any ? votes yet so perhaps it is one of the few not chosen.
I thought about the double voter for a while. He may not be here, but if he is, there's one of two choices:
-He doesn't want to have Rodion mess with the ? for no real reason.
-He's mafia.
Really, a mafia double voter would be golden. Cast a quick hammer without drawning attention at all. Which is why I am going to say this:
From now on, we should consider L-1 as the hammer. Just to be safe in case there's a mafia double voter out there.
I wouldn't consider that a bad thing on day 1, because once we find the double voter we got a sure lynch.
You continue to assume that there are no supplied fakes. Have I missed the mod explicitly stating that? From my point of view you are assuming insider info from the scums perspective. So tell me, am I making a mistake? Have I missed something? Why are you so certain there are no fakes?
I suppose it is a possibility that the extra mafia roles were given fake claims which would hamper the claiming plan, especially if they are at the bottom of the list which is why I wanted to start at the top. However that is completely irrelevant to the post you quoted, why would a mafia member with a town role be supplied with a fake claim?
When I am scum they are often given to the scum as a whole, as in the scum can choose who takes what fakes from those available ones.
Like this
Rodion wrote:You’re members of the Shinra Electric Power Company, mafia.
Chapcrap is President Shinra, mafia godfather. Investigations targeted at you will receive a “not mafia” result. You are also 1-shot bulletproof.
Edocsil is Rufus Shinra, mafia bulletproof. You are 1-shot bulletproof against bullets (pardon the redundancy).
Wildwilliam is Heidegger, mafia framer. Every night you can frame someone. If that person is investigated by the cop at that very night, he will show up as “mafia”.
Master Bush is Scarlet, mafia roleblocker. Every night you can roleblock someone. That person will not be able to use his power during that night.
Alt1978 is Palmer, mafia busdriver. Every night you can swap 2 people. Actions aimed toward one of them will actually happen to the other and vice-versa.
Mafia also has 1 kill per night. While President Shinra lives, he will be responsible for PMing me with the kill choice. He can also determine who will perform the kill.
Aditionally, you have 5 fakeclaims.
Red XIII (from Final Fantasy VII, the game) – town tracker Red XIII (from Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, the movie) – town watcher Barret Wallace (from Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, the movie) – vengeful townie Vincent Valentine (from Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, the movie) – town jailkeeper Tifa Lockhart (from Final Fantasy VII, the game) – town governor
You win when all threats to the mafia are gone.
Feel free to PM me for any questions you might have. Enjoy the game! =]
Please confirm by PM so I know which mafia players have read the role PMs and which ones did not.
Side note, that is the only themed mafia I have been scum in since I began recording my role PMs. Odd. Is that not how it usually is done? Even if it isn't the scum can share the fakes with each other as needed.
Edoc'sil
Commander9 wrote:Trust Edoc, as I know he's VERY good.
Honestly I don't think I have ever been given a fake claim but you are right, that could confuse things if they claim different roles. Of course pretending to be your mafia partners role is very risky as if they die you are kinda fooked.
Point taken anyway.
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