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Re: Is there a god?
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:47 am
by PLAYER57832
zimmah wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote:zimmah wrote:god didn't create homosexuals,
Yes, he does and did.
Not only in human beings, but all across the animal kingdom, and I don't mean just species that are hermaphroditic, etc. I mean that cows, sheep and other animals have occasional homosexuals. Ask any farmer.
zimmah wrote:he gave us free will, you're free to be homosexual, but homosexuals by default don't follow gods rules. therefore, if you want to be a follower of god, you are not allowed to continue your homosexual habits. there's also a difference between having feelings our thought of homosexual nature and actually doing those things. some people do claim to be born as a homosexual, and they actualy fall in love with the same gender much like normal people fall in love with the opposite gender, but that doesn't mean they have to keep on doing it. i bet f you fell in love with a 15 year old you would not actually go ahead and rape her, would you?
You need to look at the real biology. What you are expressing is believed by a narrow group of religious individuals.
not sure what you mean by real biology, if you mean some people may be attracted to the same gender, i know, but that doesn't mean you have to jump on everyone of the same gender just because you're gay. and animals are just animals.
Who created that initial attraction? How did it come about? And are you sure you can "just choose" to whom you fall in love?
Also, why harp on homosexuals and not heterosexuals who are far from monogamous? You seem to want to pilliar homosexuals for promiscuity, why not put heterosexuals to that same standards?
Re: Is there a god?
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:53 am
by natty dread
Because if we don't do something to this decay of moral values, homosexuals will run us all over with a big gay steamroller!
Re: Is there a god?
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:56 am
by chang50
PLAYER57832 wrote:zimmah wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote:zimmah wrote:god didn't create homosexuals,
Yes, he does and did.
Not only in human beings, but all across the animal kingdom, and I don't mean just species that are hermaphroditic, etc. I mean that cows, sheep and other animals have occasional homosexuals. Ask any farmer.
zimmah wrote:he gave us free will, you're free to be homosexual, but homosexuals by default don't follow gods rules. therefore, if you want to be a follower of god, you are not allowed to continue your homosexual habits. there's also a difference between having feelings our thought of homosexual nature and actually doing those things. some people do claim to be born as a homosexual, and they actualy fall in love with the same gender much like normal people fall in love with the opposite gender, but that doesn't mean they have to keep on doing it. i bet f you fell in love with a 15 year old you would not actually go ahead and rape her, would you?
You need to look at the real biology. What you are expressing is believed by a narrow group of religious individuals.
not sure what you mean by real biology, if you mean some people may be attracted to the same gender, i know, but that doesn't mean you have to jump on everyone of the same gender just because you're gay. and animals are just animals.
Who created that initial attraction? How did it come about? And are you sure you can "just choose" to whom you fall in love?
Also, why harp on homosexuals and not heterosexuals who are far from monogamous? You seem to want to pilliar homosexuals for promiscuity, why not put heterosexuals to that same standards?
In my experience very few theists will argue with other theists in this type of forum,perhaps seeing atheism as the greatest problem.So hats off to you Player,we disagree about a lot of things but you are at least even handed.
Re: Is there a god?
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:59 am
by Aradhus
zimmah wrote:i bet f you fell in love with a 15 year old you would not actually go ahead and rape her, would you?
noob
zimmah, not a lot of people know this, but god created homosexuals to tempt straight people like you. It's a test, don't succumb bro.
Re: Is there a god?
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:00 am
by Woodruff
[bigimg]http://i.imgur.com/Z1fUq.jpg[/bigimg]
Re: Is there a god?
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:04 am
by chang50
Woodruff wrote:[bigimg]http://i.imgur.com/Z1fUq.jpg[/bigimg]
Wow,read a bit of Harris,and he can be a bit heavy at times,but he is capable of rare gems,such as this.I will remember this quote for a very long time.
Re: Is there a god?
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:11 am
by PLAYER57832
Woodruff wrote:[bigimg]http://i.imgur.com/Z1fUq.jpg[/bigimg]
True, but nothing elightening. It is, in fact, "countering" a strawman fallacy put up by non-religious individuals to mostly counter religion.
Religion and science need not be in opposition, at all. Religion is fundamentally about belief, answers that do not have observable, in modern vernacular "scientific" answers. Science is about discerning truth based on observation, proof independent of belief. So, religion will OF COURSE, come up with answers that science cannot. Sometimes those answers prove wrong (let me clarify, I mean
our understanding of the religious belief, becuase humans err.) In virtually all cases, you have religious individuals with varied ideas on these questions. Then science steps in and the religious question moves on to something else (though of course some stubborn people will resist the change.. but that type of blindness happens within science as well as religion).
Such statements really just attempt to claim superiority where there is truly just difference. Not understanding that difference leads one to grave errors.
Re: Is there a god?
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:28 am
by JoshyBoy
barackattack wrote:I don't know if anyone has proof.
I do.
Re: Is there a god?
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:52 am
by natty dread
JoshyBoy wrote:barackattack wrote:I don't know if anyone has proof.
I do.
I now pronounce you husband and wife beater.
Re: Is there a god?
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:04 pm
by Woodruff
PLAYER57832 wrote:True, but nothing elightening. It is, in fact, "countering" a strawman fallacy put up by non-religious individuals to mostly counter religion.
Religion and science need not be in opposition, at all. Religion is fundamentally about belief, answers that do not have observable, in modern vernacular "scientific" answers. Science is about discerning truth based on observation, proof independent of belief. So, religion will OF COURSE, come up with answers that science cannot. Sometimes those answers prove wrong (let me clarify, I mean our understanding of the religious belief, becuase humans err.) In virtually all cases, you have religious individuals with varied ideas on these questions. Then science steps in and the religious question moves on to something else (though of course some stubborn people will resist the change.. but that type of blindness happens within science as well as religion).
Such statements really just attempt to claim superiority where there is truly just difference. Not understanding that difference leads one to grave errors.
Frankly, when the religious push their claims as science, such statements of distinguishment need to be made. I consider them to be important statements. Even though those they are aimed at will largely ignore them, the youth who aren't yet set in their ways will at least pay attention to them.
Re: Is there a god?
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:06 pm
by natty dread
Woodruff wrote:the youth who aren't yet set in their ways will at least pay attention to them.
A propos,
Guess what this pie chart represents?
Re: Is there a god?
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:09 pm
by Woodruff
natty dread wrote:Woodruff wrote:the youth who aren't yet set in their ways will at least pay attention to them.
A propos,
Guess what this pie chart represents?
Individuals who refuse to bathe regularly. What do I win?
Re: Is there a god?
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:16 pm
by natty dread
Ages at which Americans say they accepted Christ and became a Christian
Re: Is there a god?
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:18 pm
by Woodruff
natty dread wrote:Ages at which Americans say they accepted Christ and became a Christian
I can see that, absolutely. But I don't at all believe it changes the truth of the point I made. The younger folks are more likely to "buy in initially" to the church and are also more likely to question the church as well.
Re: Is there a god?
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:19 pm
by natty dread
Woodruff wrote: can see that, absolutely. But I don't at all believe it changes the truth of the point I made.
I didn't claim it does.
Re: Is there a god?
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:23 pm
by natty dread
Also, you're right that younger people are not as set in their ways as older people. But that means younger people are also easier to manipulate, lacking the life experience to put things in context... and if those young people are denied proper education and information, they are easily indoctrinated to accept a belief system without questioning.
If however those younger people are taught to think critically from a young age, then they are much less likely to accept indoctrination or dogma, at young or old age.
Re: Is there a god?
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:26 pm
by john9blue
natty dread wrote:Also, you're right that younger people are not as set in their ways as older people. But that means younger people are also easier to manipulate, lacking the life experience to put things in context... and if those young people are denied proper education and information, they are easily indoctrinated to accept a belief system without questioning.
If however those younger people are taught to think critically from a young age, then they are much less likely to accept indoctrination or dogma, at young or old age.
the funny part is that i looked at the image address
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... rsion.jpegand assumed that it was the age when people converted to atheism.
it works both ways you know.
Re: Is there a god?
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:39 pm
by natty dread
john9blue wrote:the age when people converted to atheism.
People are born as atheists.
Re: Is there a god?
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:44 pm
by Woodruff
It's really not part of the atheist belief system to prosetylize, however. Yes, there are certainly some few atheists that do (much to my chagrin), but by and large it does not happen. That cannot be said of most religious folks, because that's what they're SUPPOSED to do.
Re: Is there a god?
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:10 pm
by john9blue
natty dread wrote:john9blue wrote:the age when people converted to atheism.
People are born as theological noncognitivists.
fixed your post for you
look it up sometime.
Re: Is there a god?
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:11 pm
by natty dread
john9blue wrote:natty dread wrote:john9blue wrote:the age when people converted to atheism.
People are born as theological noncognitivists.
fixed. look it up sometime.
John, I didn't know you knew words as long as those.
Re: Is there a god?
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:14 pm
by john9blue
natty dread wrote:Babies are not religious, therefore they must be atheists. QED
sure thing.
Re: Is there a god?
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:38 pm
by BigBallinStalin
I consider myself to be a philosophical non-cockblocktivist.
Re: Is there a god?
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:24 pm
by Haggis_McMutton
john9blue wrote:natty dread wrote:john9blue wrote:the age when people converted to atheism.
People are born as theological noncognitivists.
fixed your post for you
look it up sometime.
True.
People should also stay theological noncognitivists.
@ the graph
Unless you think most atheists are being taught by their parents to be atheist, then the conversion age should be higher. Kinds doubt 5 year olds are rebelling against their parents teachings.
On the other hand, I have no idea if most atheists were brought up religious or not, so maybe you're right.
Re: Is there a god?
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:29 pm
by natty dread
john9blue wrote:blah blah whatever