Conquer Club

drunkmonkey wrote:

Gilligan wrote:

drunkmonkey wrote:I think Gilligan was too quick to lynch sax(me) on Day 1, while admittedly skimming over the thread. I wouldn't mind hearing his defense.

I already gave it? However I was just about the last one to put a vote on you. Many before me voted for Sax.

Sorry, that was worded poorly. I know you were about the last to put a vote on, however, you were the only one to vote after the new information came out. It appears to me you were just jumping on the bandwagon to get someone lynched.

By defense, I meant "why we shouldn't lynch you".

It's just the way I play mafia. If we have a mislynch, I don't mind using it, which is what I was doing. Of course, I missed that piece of vital information a mere few posts above me.

As far as why you should keep me, I'll chalk it up to a better late-game role.

So you admit to skimming, then?

pancakemix wrote:So you admit to skimming, then?

I will admit to slight skimming. In full honesty, I read 95% of this thread fully and completely. I was probably just sick of reading more than 10 straight pages at once.

Gilligan wrote:

pancakemix wrote:So you admit to skimming, then?

I will admit to slight skimming. In full honesty, I read 95% of this thread fully and completely. I was probably just sick of reading more than 10 straight pages at once.

That's why you break it down into 3 page sections. Really it's best to read through the entire thread regardless before making the post. Just makes you look foolish when you don't. Honestly it doesn't really sound like you cared too much who the bandwagon was on.

FOS Gilligan

strike wolf wrote:

Gilligan wrote:

pancakemix wrote:So you admit to skimming, then?

I will admit to slight skimming. In full honesty, I read 95% of this thread fully and completely. I was probably just sick of reading more than 10 straight pages at once.

That's why you break it down into 3 page sections. Really it's best to read through the entire thread regardless before making the post. Just makes you look foolish when you don't. Honestly it doesn't really sound like you cared too much who the bandwagon was on.

FOS Gilligan

I didn't want to be FOSed because of my lack of activity. I had said I was back, and I thought that if I said nothing I'd get a bigger finger.

Of course, it would have been fine had I not screwed up and missed the most important post.

So is Gilligan going to be the focus of day 2 because of his SaxLad actions?

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Also, I feel like we've still a few players who aren't posting very much, so much that I just went to the first page to check again who all was playing.


--Andy

I will try to finally get my post today.

AndyDufresne wrote:So is Gilligan going to be the focus of day 2 because of his SaxLad actions?

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Also, I feel like we've still a few players who aren't posting very much, so much that I just went to the first page to check again who all was playing.


--Andy

FOS Andy. The majority of his posts are like this. Fairly non-commital and expressing little opinion on the actual scum tells. He appears to just be going with the flow.

strike wolf wrote:

AndyDufresne wrote:So is Gilligan going to be the focus of day 2 because of his SaxLad actions?

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Also, I feel like we've still a few players who aren't posting very much, so much that I just went to the first page to check again who all was playing.


--Andy

FOS Andy. The majority of his posts are like this. Fairly non-commital and expressing little opinion on the actual scum tells. He appears to just be going with the flow.

But thats andy, he does that anywhere he posts

QOTD:

Bender: Ah, yes! John Quincy Adding Machine. He struck a chord with the voters when he pledged not to go on a killing spree.
Professor Farnsworth: But, like most politicians, he promised more than he could deliver.


Vote Count

Gilligan(2)- freezie, drunk

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

If you would like me to prod anyone, I will do so. Activity is a little low, but given that the scene was posted over the weekend, I'll give it a few more days to pick up before I start mass prodding and/or setting deadlines.

strike wolf wrote:

AndyDufresne wrote:So is Gilligan going to be the focus of day 2 because of his SaxLad actions?

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Also, I feel like we've still a few players who aren't posting very much, so much that I just went to the first page to check again who all was playing.


--Andy

FOS Andy. The majority of his posts are like this. Fairly non-commital and expressing little opinion on the actual scum tells. He appears to just be going with the flow.

Sometimes it is hard not to go with the flow when it seems like it is mostly a discussion with a small number of players that are posting. Anyways, I'm still building up my reads on everyone.


--Andy

No hig cases yet?

Let's see if I can come up with something.
last phase I baited the joke voters into answering why they weren't involved in anything at the time after their jokes, fir responded with this

Fircoal wrote:

/ wrote:I think a claim would be the most productive thing to do at this point since there are only four days left.
in the meantime as promised for the other current votes of note (not counting comm because the vote count doesn't seem to be accurate, or it wasn't counted because it wasn't bolded.)

Haggis_McMutton wrote:Vote Commander for confirming last. classic scum move that.

also FOS Andy for probably being the only one in here that joined CC before me.

Talapus wrote:Vote: freezie. It's just been so long I had to make sure I remembered what it felt like. It felt good

Fircoal wrote:Vote: Talapus Cause he feels better in bed

So, are you guys sticking with this? Would you like us to follow you on these cases?
Or are you just fence sitting until someone else does all the work?
I'll Unvote vote tal, since of the three he's the most active (sort of.)

Honestly looking at my other choices which more or less seem to be the Saxlad wagon which seems like a superfluous wagon made up from thin air I don't really see the problem. My joke vote has as much of an argument as there is against Sax but that doesn't mean tons of people will vote for it.

Besides regarding my play-style I'm not high voter type. There are many games were I was very active in discussion but didn't vote until the end.

He claims the sax case is nothing, and there is no reason to get involved.

the following post made by fir one page later

Fircoal wrote:

strike wolf wrote:Id like to know too...though at this rate I'm wondering if we'll get anything better than a no lynch.

Yea... Honestly at this point Sax needs to get in here and claim. Then at least we might be able to get a lynch.

He immediately goes from "Thin air case" to "Claim or be lynched". An odd turn around

the next and last post by fircoal shows him once again not directly involved as per his "non-voter" play, but insinuating the need to speedlynch gilligan.

Fircoal wrote:

nagerous wrote:In light of what Haggis said unvote.

Unfortunately, time is of an essence now and I fear a speed lynch on Gilligan will bring us bad results in light of his most recent comments.

Then what do you suggest we do. the only two options I see is speed lynch Gilligan or give up and no lynch

I feel fir seems just a bit too enthusiastic of cheering on lynches he "doesn't support".
Vote fircoal

Having been a victim of Fir relentless cases, this seems strange.

Unvote(If needed) Vote Fircoal

/ makes a good point, chu's actions seem quite un-chu like.

I want to re-read this when I get back home tommorrow, but for now, fos chu

naxus wrote:Having been a victim of Fir relentless cases, this seems strange.

Unvote(If needed) Vote Fircoal

*is thinking Naxus will bring the Firefly incident in every game from now on*

I do agree with the points on Fircoal but I will at least wait a bit to see his response to this before I throw any more weight on the bandwagon.

QOTD:

Morbo: Morbo will now introduce tonight's candidates... PUNY HUMAN NUMBER ONE, PUNY HUMAN NUMBER TWO, and Morbo's good friend, Richard Nixon.
Richard Nixon's Head: Hello Morbo, how's the family?
Morbo: Belligerent and numerous.
Richard Nixon's Head: Good man. Nixon's pro-war and pro-family.


Vote Count

Gilligan(2)- freezie, drunk
Fircoal(2)- /, naxus

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Not biting on the chu case. My opinions on sax moved pretty much the same way (one must take into account the length of his absence), and the Gilligan post is sarcastic at best seeing as speedlynching Gilligan wasn't going to happen.

pancakemix wrote:Not biting on the chu case. My opinions on sax moved pretty much the same way (one must take into account the length of his absence), and the Gilligan post is sarcastic at best seeing as speedlynching Gilligan wasn't going to happen.

Sarcastic or not - it was still said and we cannot be sure how it was intended. What / brought forward at least deserves an FoS.

I don't see the evidence for it being scummy. For example, with TSL, he decided not to personally vote and join that bandwagon, but that doesn't mean he failed to recognize that other people were getting on it.

strike wolf wrote:Qft on the doc possibly being naive. Don't rush into something becaus e you got an innocent result and commander (who is still rising up my scum ladder) suggests you may be insane.

As far as the doomsday device. I think you guys are a bit off track on the role that was responsible for that kill however I'm not convinced it is best for me to reveal my thoughts on that kill.

Now now, don't be a rebel without any good cause You're such a James Dean character.

I've never said that they're supposed the results straight away, but that it's extremely likely that they may have caught a scum.

naxus wrote:But thats andy, he does that anywhere he posts

You do realize that this is not a good excuse, right? If anything, your defence here seems fishy here.

strike wolf wrote:
*is thinking Naxus will bring the Firefly incident in every game from now on*

I do agree with the points on Fircoal but I will at least wait a bit to see his response to this before I throw any more weight on the bandwagon.

This. While this does deserve a FoS, I do not think it warrants a vote on Chu.

Okay, so sometimes I find it is helpful to map out a player's votes, include their initial joke votes, since voting patterns can sometimes shed light on who they vote on, or perhaps who they avoid putting a vote on. I think I've got all the votes cast up to this post:

show

Highlights over the course of the game so far:

• Fircoal has received 3 player votes.
• Gilligan has received 4 player votes.
• TheSaxlad has received 9 player votes.
• Strike Wolf is the most prolific voter, with the most vote changing.

I'm going to take a closer look at voting patterns.


--Andy

/ wrote:No hig cases yet?

Let's see if I can come up with something.
last phase I baited the joke voters into answering why they weren't involved in anything at the time after their jokes, fir responded with this

Fircoal wrote:

/ wrote:I think a claim would be the most productive thing to do at this point since there are only four days left.
in the meantime as promised for the other current votes of note (not counting comm because the vote count doesn't seem to be accurate, or it wasn't counted because it wasn't bolded.)

Haggis_McMutton wrote:Vote Commander for confirming last. classic scum move that.

also FOS Andy for probably being the only one in here that joined CC before me.

Talapus wrote:Vote: freezie. It's just been so long I had to make sure I remembered what it felt like. It felt good

Fircoal wrote:Vote: Talapus Cause he feels better in bed

So, are you guys sticking with this? Would you like us to follow you on these cases?
Or are you just fence sitting until someone else does all the work?
I'll Unvote vote tal, since of the three he's the most active (sort of.)

Honestly looking at my other choices which more or less seem to be the Saxlad wagon which seems like a superfluous wagon made up from thin air I don't really see the problem. My joke vote has as much of an argument as there is against Sax but that doesn't mean tons of people will vote for it.

Besides regarding my play-style I'm not high voter type. There are many games were I was very active in discussion but didn't vote until the end.

He claims the sax case is nothing, and there is no reason to get involved.

the following post made by fir one page later

Fircoal wrote:

strike wolf wrote:Id like to know too...though at this rate I'm wondering if we'll get anything better than a no lynch.

Yea... Honestly at this point Sax needs to get in here and claim. Then at least we might be able to get a lynch.

He immediately goes from "Thin air case" to "Claim or be lynched". An odd turn around

An odd turn around? You do realize we were a couple days away from the end of the day with only one weak lead. Honestly at that point it didn't really matter what the case was for it just mattered that we got some information out of it. We all know I stress the need to lynch and this is no different. No I don't think Sax's case was a good case but I do believe that we needed a lynch, or really at that point something from Sax. Just getting nothing would be a waste even more of what was already a big waste.

the next and last post by fircoal shows him once again not directly involved as per his "non-voter" play, but insinuating the need to speedlynch gilligan.

Fircoal wrote:

nagerous wrote:In light of what Haggis said unvote.

Unfortunately, time is of an essence now and I fear a speed lynch on Gilligan will bring us bad results in light of his most recent comments.

Then what do you suggest we do. the only two options I see is speed lynch Gilligan or give up and no lynch

I feel fir seems just a bit too enthusiastic of cheering on lynches he "doesn't support".
Vote fircoal

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I never said that. I said those were my only two options, never said which I preferred. I mean do you see any other options at the time? I wasn't even the first to bring up either of them. You case is really weak.

Looks like a lot of people haven't voted since day 1 me included (did I really vote 6 times day one?). I need to reread and then maybe I can get focused enough to actually take a stance on something today. No running with his tail between his legs for old strike wolf. Just need the right case to get motivated about.

QOTD:

Professor Farnsworth: Dear God, they'll be killed on our doorstep! And there's no trash pickup until January 3rd.


Vote Count

Gilligan(2)- freezie, drunk
Fircoal(2)- /, naxus

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

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