Conquer Club

zimmah wrote:

natty_dread wrote:

zimmah wrote:if you want to follow god, you can't be homosexual.

So why did god create homosexuals?

zimmah wrote:o helping out your environment by helping 3rd world countries s perfectly fine and even encouraged, but that does not mean you should just ignore what's more important. because any help we can give is just temporary, while the help the bible can give is forever. big deal if you can cure a sickness, people are going to die sooner or later anyway, so why not give them the chance to not have to die in the first place instead?

Oh my fucking goggles, this is exactly what I was talking about, you're missing the point entirely.

What if you're wrong? What if there is no afterlife, no god? How would your "people are going to die sooner or later anyway" statement sound in that framework?

But no, good deeds don't matter, only your beliefs. That's what the bible says. So don't bother helping those poor people, just give them bibles, so when they die thanks to your indifference to their suffering, at least you can have a good conscience because you can convince yourself they are in "heaven"...

WHAT IF YOU ARE WRONG? Can you even entertain the thought?

zimmah wrote:The bible does not say womans are servants to men by the way, he sais men are the head of the family, but that does not mean we should treat woman as slaves.

So as long as they aren't treated "as slaves" it's ok that they're inequal? Don't give me that bs. If one party is the "leader", the "head of the family", then THEY ARE NOT EQUAL. You still posit that, ultimately, the woman has to defer to the man's opinion. The man only "has to listen" but the man still gets the final say because that's what the bible says.

Why does it matter to god what kind of genitals we sport between our legs?

there's occasions in the bible where god actually told to the men they were wrong and they had to listen to their woman, so no, god does not just look at who's men or not, and the whole reason this rule is in place is because eve tempted adam to eat from the forbidden fruit. but that does not mean we should tread all woman as trash, like for example most muslims do.

Neoteny wrote:

zimmah wrote:the people laughed at noah, just like most of the people laugh at believers nowadays.

:puts on persecution complex hat:

Does "most people" mean something different today than it did when I was a kid? Or are you just one of those people who think "true believers" (ie you and the people you go to church with) are the only real believers?

Woodruff wrote:

zimmah wrote:also god gave us the bible for a reason. if god wouldn't have given us the bible and would not have sent his son to earth, then we wouldn't have been able to tell if there was a god or not. and in that case i too would have said: "i don't know how the universe started, and we probably will never know" however, that is not the case. god gave us the option to know it, and he told us we should study it, so i do it.

God gave us this book that says God exists, which is how he was able to give us this book. That's some pretty circular logic you've got there.

Woodruff wrote:

zimmah wrote:

natty_dread wrote:

zimmah wrote:if you want to follow god, you can't be homosexual.

So why did god create homosexuals?

zimmah wrote:o helping out your environment by helping 3rd world countries s perfectly fine and even encouraged, but that does not mean you should just ignore what's more important. because any help we can give is just temporary, while the help the bible can give is forever. big deal if you can cure a sickness, people are going to die sooner or later anyway, so why not give them the chance to not have to die in the first place instead?

Oh my fucking goggles, this is exactly what I was talking about, you're missing the point entirely.

What if you're wrong? What if there is no afterlife, no god? How would your "people are going to die sooner or later anyway" statement sound in that framework?

But no, good deeds don't matter, only your beliefs. That's what the bible says. So don't bother helping those poor people, just give them bibles, so when they die thanks to your indifference to their suffering, at least you can have a good conscience because you can convince yourself they are in "heaven"...

WHAT IF YOU ARE WRONG? Can you even entertain the thought?

zimmah wrote:The bible does not say womans are servants to men by the way, he sais men are the head of the family, but that does not mean we should treat woman as slaves.

So as long as they aren't treated "as slaves" it's ok that they're inequal? Don't give me that bs. If one party is the "leader", the "head of the family", then THEY ARE NOT EQUAL. You still posit that, ultimately, the woman has to defer to the man's opinion. The man only "has to listen" but the man still gets the final say because that's what the bible says.

Why does it matter to god what kind of genitals we sport between our legs?

there's occasions in the bible where god actually told to the men they were wrong and they had to listen to their woman, so no, god does not just look at who's men or not, and the whole reason this rule is in place is because eve tempted adam to eat from the forbidden fruit. but that does not mean we should tread all woman as trash, like for example most muslims do.

Were you going to answer his first question there? I'd like to hear your answer to it. Thanks!

BigBallinStalin wrote:Well put, nats-D.

Can I call you "nats-D"?

zimmah wrote:god didn't create homosexuals, he gave us free will, you're free to be homosexual, but homosexuals by default don't follow gods rules. therefore, if you want to be a follower of god, you are not allowed to continue your homosexual habits. there's also a difference between having feelings our thought of homosexual nature and actually doing those things. some people do claim to be born as a homosexual, and they actualy fall in love with the same gender much like normal people fall in love with the opposite gender, but that doesn't mean they have to keep on doing it. i bet f you fell in love with a 15 year old you would not actually go ahead and rape her, would you?

natty_dread wrote:

zimmah wrote:god didn't create homosexuals, he gave us free will, you're free to be homosexual, but homosexuals by default don't follow gods rules. therefore, if you want to be a follower of god, you are not allowed to continue your homosexual habits. there's also a difference between having feelings our thought of homosexual nature and actually doing those things. some people do claim to be born as a homosexual, and they actualy fall in love with the same gender much like normal people fall in love with the opposite gender, but that doesn't mean they have to keep on doing it. i bet f you fell in love with a 15 year old you would not actually go ahead and rape her, would you?

How exactly do you stop being what you are? Sexuality is not something you can just turn off at will.

So, if god made you such that you're attracted to the same sex, why is it a sin for you to act according to it?

Oh, and I also like how you make a dichotomy between "homosexuals" and "normal people". And by "like" I mean "utterly revile".

cookie0117 wrote:First up, the christian bible is a sequal of the jewish book, which it contradicts in many ways. Also the proof that jeses is the son of god comes from the jewish prophaces. Although the jewish do not believe it as he did not complete the prophaces. So the qoran is equally as valid as a follow up.

I also dont believe Obama is the devils puppet and that the devil controls the world. That all a little medical help needed type thinking....

zimmah wrote:like i said, if you have homosexual feelings for someone, you don't have to pursue them, much like you don't have to pursue the feelings you may get for married woman, underaged persons and people don't don't have the same feelings for you.

zimmah wrote:

cookie0117 wrote:First up, the christian bible is a sequal of the jewish book, which it contradicts in many ways. Also the proof that jeses is the son of god comes from the jewish prophaces. Although the jewish do not believe it as he did not complete the prophaces. So the qoran is equally as valid as a follow up.

I also dont believe Obama is the devils puppet and that the devil controls the world. That all a little medical help needed type thinking....

jews don't believe the prophecies, but the jews god rejected as gods special nation, also, the jews were responsible for the murder of jesus.

cookie0117 wrote:

zimmah wrote:

cookie0117 wrote:First up, the christian bible is a sequal of the jewish book, which it contradicts in many ways. Also the proof that jeses is the son of god comes from the jewish prophaces. Although the jewish do not believe it as he did not complete the prophaces. So the qoran is equally as valid as a follow up.

I also dont believe Obama is the devils puppet and that the devil controls the world. That all a little medical help needed type thinking....

jews don't believe the prophecies, but the jews god rejected as gods special nation, also, the jews were responsible for the murder of jesus.

The jews dont believe the prophaces as thy were not completed. Jesus did not bring about the kingdom of israel, therefore he is not the son of the abrahamic god.

cookie0117 wrote:
Another problem I have is god told people about how he created the earth/stars and everything but was unable to give a concistent account of it, with any detail.

zimmah wrote:the spiritual isreal

zimmah wrote:god didn't create homosexuals,

zimmah wrote:he gave us free will, you're free to be homosexual, but homosexuals by default don't follow gods rules. therefore, if you want to be a follower of god, you are not allowed to continue your homosexual habits. there's also a difference between having feelings our thought of homosexual nature and actually doing those things. some people do claim to be born as a homosexual, and they actualy fall in love with the same gender much like normal people fall in love with the opposite gender, but that doesn't mean they have to keep on doing it. i bet f you fell in love with a 15 year old you would not actually go ahead and rape her, would you?

PLAYER57832 wrote:

zimmah wrote:god didn't create homosexuals,

Yes, he does and did.
Not only in human beings, but all across the animal kingdom, and I don't mean just species that are hermaphroditic, etc. I mean that cows, sheep and other animals have occasional homosexuals. Ask any farmer.

zimmah wrote:he gave us free will, you're free to be homosexual, but homosexuals by default don't follow gods rules. therefore, if you want to be a follower of god, you are not allowed to continue your homosexual habits. there's also a difference between having feelings our thought of homosexual nature and actually doing those things. some people do claim to be born as a homosexual, and they actualy fall in love with the same gender much like normal people fall in love with the opposite gender, but that doesn't mean they have to keep on doing it. i bet f you fell in love with a 15 year old you would not actually go ahead and rape her, would you?

You need to look at the real biology. What you are expressing is believed by a narrow group of religious individuals.

zimmah wrote:

Woodruff wrote:

zimmah wrote:also god gave us the bible for a reason. if god wouldn't have given us the bible and would not have sent his son to earth, then we wouldn't have been able to tell if there was a god or not. and in that case i too would have said: "i don't know how the universe started, and we probably will never know" however, that is not the case. god gave us the option to know it, and he told us we should study it, so i do it.

God gave us this book that says God exists, which is how he was able to give us this book. That's some pretty circular logic you've got there.

no it's not.

zimmah wrote:god didn't create homosexuals, he gave us free will, you're free to be homosexual, but homosexuals by default don't follow gods rules. therefore, if you want to be a follower of god, you are not allowed to continue your homosexual habits. there's also a difference between having feelings our thought of homosexual nature and actually doing those things. some people do claim to be born as a homosexual, and they actualy fall in love with the same gender much like normal people fall in love with the opposite gender, but that doesn't mean they have to keep on doing it. i bet f you fell in love with a 15 year old you would not actually go ahead and rape her, would you?

Woodruff wrote:

zimmah wrote:god didn't create homosexuals, he gave us free will, you're free to be homosexual, but homosexuals by default don't follow gods rules. therefore, if you want to be a follower of god, you are not allowed to continue your homosexual habits. there's also a difference between having feelings our thought of homosexual nature and actually doing those things. some people do claim to be born as a homosexual, and they actualy fall in love with the same gender much like normal people fall in love with the opposite gender, but that doesn't mean they have to keep on doing it. i bet f you fell in love with a 15 year old you would not actually go ahead and rape her, would you?

Ah, so you believe that homosexuality is 100% choice, then. And that homosexuals should absolutely not love the one that they love.

What a sad world that would be.

zimmah wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:

zimmah wrote:god didn't create homosexuals,

Yes, he does and did.
Not only in human beings, but all across the animal kingdom, and I don't mean just species that are hermaphroditic, etc. I mean that cows, sheep and other animals have occasional homosexuals. Ask any farmer.

zimmah wrote:he gave us free will, you're free to be homosexual, but homosexuals by default don't follow gods rules. therefore, if you want to be a follower of god, you are not allowed to continue your homosexual habits. there's also a difference between having feelings our thought of homosexual nature and actually doing those things. some people do claim to be born as a homosexual, and they actualy fall in love with the same gender much like normal people fall in love with the opposite gender, but that doesn't mean they have to keep on doing it. i bet f you fell in love with a 15 year old you would not actually go ahead and rape her, would you?

You need to look at the real biology. What you are expressing is believed by a narrow group of religious individuals.

not sure what you mean by real biology, if you mean some people may be attracted to the same gender, i know, but that doesn't mean you have to jump on everyone of the same gender just because you're gay. and animals are just animals.

Woodruff wrote:Not all homosexuals wnat to "jump on everyone of the same gender". In fact, a very great many really want monogamous homosexual relationships. Why aren't you addressing them?

natty_dread wrote:

Woodruff wrote:Not all homosexuals wnat to "jump on everyone of the same gender". In fact, a very great many really want monogamous homosexual relationships. Why aren't you addressing them?

It doesn't fit his worldview.

zimmah wrote:the koran claims to be the sequel to the bible, yet it contradicts not only the bible but also itself, the bible is the only holy book that i know of that makes sense as a whole.

zimmah wrote:

Woodruff wrote:

zimmah wrote:also god gave us the bible for a reason. if god wouldn't have given us the bible and would not have sent his son to earth, then we wouldn't have been able to tell if there was a god or not. and in that case i too would have said: "i don't know how the universe started, and we probably will never know" however, that is not the case. god gave us the option to know it, and he told us we should study it, so i do it.

God gave us this book that says God exists, which is how he was able to give us this book. That's some pretty circular logic you've got there.

no it's not.

zimmah wrote:god didn't create homosexuals, he gave us free will, you're free to be homosexual, but homosexuals by default don't follow gods rules. therefore, if you want to be a follower of god, you are not allowed to continue your homosexual habits. there's also a difference between having feelings our thought of homosexual nature and actually doing those things. some people do claim to be born as a homosexual, and they actualy fall in love with the same gender much like normal people fall in love with the opposite gender, but that doesn't mean they have to keep on doing it. i bet f you fell in love with a 15 year old you would not actually go ahead and rape her, would you?