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I used to feel this way also. It was like, they are trying to have a double standard. I have come to realize however, that it is NOT the word itself that is offensive to blacks. Its only a word. It IS when a white person says it that IS offensive. After all, it was whites that coined them term. And its meaning and intent, was not meant in a kind vane. I think that I will just let them have this one. They can use the word if they want, but I wont. Yeah it IS a double standard, but I can live with that. It comes down to empathy. I can imagine how they must feel on this issue, and I believe that if people just stopped for a moment and put themselves in the others shoes, they would see the wisdom here.john9blue wrote:The worst part is that some black people use the word among themselves. Disregarding whatever connotations the word may have, to say "nigger" and then criticize others for saying it is hypocrisy at its most obvious. I still think it shouldn't be said, but some black people are at fault here as well for perpetuating it.
oVo wrote:There are bricks that have exhibited more intelligence that you have expressed in this thread a.sub. You can't excuse the derogatory use of a word just because you don't understand it's definition and intent goes a long way in the interpretation of what is said. Sometimes a bundle of sticks is just a bundle of sticks, but when you use slang vocabulary to express contempt or as a malevolent, hateful, degrading or malicious response it isn't.
jonesthecurl wrote:Well John, you usually display the intelligence of at least two or three bricks, so you're safe from flaming.
Snorri1234 wrote:I think a.sub confused interesting with retarded.
jonesthecurl wrote:I doubt if that's the origin of the word, it was used in the UK too.
By that logic I shouldn't get in trouble for saying f*ck in school when refering to sex.a.sub wrote:This isnt my own theory, but i will say that i think it has its merits
The theory is simple, if i walk up to a black person and say "Hi Nigger" and they get angry they are wrong.
why? well it seems a bit illogical but set aside that bias for a moment and listen. Nigger is a word, thus is has meaning. Its meaning is, a Person with darker skin, or youc an be mroe specific and define it as an african person. That is what it means, thats what is describes, no one can deny that describing an african as a nigger is in correct. Now to get mad at the word nigger means you are also giving it negative meaning. Nigger = african, Nigger = bad, thus african = bad. Now before you break out CAPS LOCK realize that they theory isnt saying that by getting angry at the use of nigger you are declaring a hatred of black people, but rather by reacting so negatively to the word you are giving it negative connotations on your own, its YOUR fault that its an insult. When someone had referred to me as "Curry Man" for my indian background i responded as if they were just calling me by my actual description, so i consciously didnt register it as an insult, and all of sudden that word wasnt an insult. Similarly if people reacted to "Nigger" as they did to "Person of African Decent" then its no longer an insult, it loses all its "insulting value."
One last thing, i would like to point out that the word Nigger and the words Border-Jumper as different.
Nigger means "person of african decent" so it would be like calling all black people person of african decent, its a fact, all african people have an african ancestor (GEEWHIZ who woulda thought?!)
BUT
Border-Jumper means an illegal immigrant, so it would be like calling all mexicans illegal immigrants, its a racist stereotype not a fact making it racist unlike nigger in the above theory.
thegreekdog wrote:I was going to vote +2 until I read MeDeFe's post. As he said, words take on a connotation apart from the simple definition or original application. As another example (a word I can say because I am one) "wop" (the deragotry term Italians and Greeks in the US) was originally applied as "without pass." In other words, all of these swarthy, non-English speaking immigrants from the Mediterranean were coming into the US illegally, or without a pass. Now, if someone calls me a wop today, are they referring to me being without a pass? Of course not, they are referring to me in a deragatory fashion because the acronym "wop," although used to describe the condition of an illegal immigrant originally, is now applied as an offensive term for Italians and Greeks.
jonka wrote:By that logic I shouldn't get in trouble for saying f*ck in school when refering to sex.a.sub wrote:This isnt my own theory, but i will say that i think it has its merits
The theory is simple, if i walk up to a black person and say "Hi Nigger" and they get angry they are wrong.
why? well it seems a bit illogical but set aside that bias for a moment and listen. Nigger is a word, thus is has meaning. Its meaning is, a Person with darker skin, or youc an be mroe specific and define it as an african person. That is what it means, thats what is describes, no one can deny that describing an african as a nigger is in correct. Now to get mad at the word nigger means you are also giving it negative meaning. Nigger = african, Nigger = bad, thus african = bad. Now before you break out CAPS LOCK realize that they theory isnt saying that by getting angry at the use of nigger you are declaring a hatred of black people, but rather by reacting so negatively to the word you are giving it negative connotations on your own, its YOUR fault that its an insult. When someone had referred to me as "Curry Man" for my indian background i responded as if they were just calling me by my actual description, so i consciously didnt register it as an insult, and all of sudden that word wasnt an insult. Similarly if people reacted to "Nigger" as they did to "Person of African Decent" then its no longer an insult, it loses all its "insulting value."
One last thing, i would like to point out that the word Nigger and the words Border-Jumper as different.
Nigger means "person of african decent" so it would be like calling all black people person of african decent, its a fact, all african people have an african ancestor (GEEWHIZ who woulda thought?!)
BUT
Border-Jumper means an illegal immigrant, so it would be like calling all mexicans illegal immigrants, its a racist stereotype not a fact making it racist unlike nigger in the above theory.
a.sub wrote:jonka wrote:By that logic I shouldn't get in trouble for saying f*ck in school when refering to sex.a.sub wrote:This isnt my own theory, but i will say that i think it has its merits
The theory is simple, if i walk up to a black person and say "Hi Nigger" and they get angry they are wrong.
why? well it seems a bit illogical but set aside that bias for a moment and listen. Nigger is a word, thus is has meaning. Its meaning is, a Person with darker skin, or youc an be mroe specific and define it as an african person. That is what it means, thats what is describes, no one can deny that describing an african as a nigger is in correct. Now to get mad at the word nigger means you are also giving it negative meaning. Nigger = african, Nigger = bad, thus african = bad. Now before you break out CAPS LOCK realize that they theory isnt saying that by getting angry at the use of nigger you are declaring a hatred of black people, but rather by reacting so negatively to the word you are giving it negative connotations on your own, its YOUR fault that its an insult. When someone had referred to me as "Curry Man" for my indian background i responded as if they were just calling me by my actual description, so i consciously didnt register it as an insult, and all of sudden that word wasnt an insult. Similarly if people reacted to "Nigger" as they did to "Person of African Decent" then its no longer an insult, it loses all its "insulting value."
One last thing, i would like to point out that the word Nigger and the words Border-Jumper as different.
Nigger means "person of african decent" so it would be like calling all black people person of african decent, its a fact, all african people have an african ancestor (GEEWHIZ who woulda thought?!)
BUT
Border-Jumper means an illegal immigrant, so it would be like calling all mexicans illegal immigrants, its a racist stereotype not a fact making it racist unlike nigger in the above theory.
well i mean is there anything truly wrong with saying, person A fucked person B
i agree it sounds much cruder than "had sex with" but that the point, it really isnt, its just in our heads
also im assuming this isnt some annoying kid screaming it out in the middle of math class or something
a.sub wrote:jonka wrote:By that logic I shouldn't get in trouble for saying f*ck in school when refering to sex.a.sub wrote:This isnt my own theory, but i will say that i think it has its merits
The theory is simple, if i walk up to a black person and say "Hi Nigger" and they get angry they are wrong.
why? well it seems a bit illogical but set aside that bias for a moment and listen. Nigger is a word, thus is has meaning. Its meaning is, a Person with darker skin, or youc an be mroe specific and define it as an african person. That is what it means, thats what is describes, no one can deny that describing an african as a nigger is in correct. Now to get mad at the word nigger means you are also giving it negative meaning. Nigger = african, Nigger = bad, thus african = bad. Now before you break out CAPS LOCK realize that they theory isnt saying that by getting angry at the use of nigger you are declaring a hatred of black people, but rather by reacting so negatively to the word you are giving it negative connotations on your own, its YOUR fault that its an insult. When someone had referred to me as "Curry Man" for my indian background i responded as if they were just calling me by my actual description, so i consciously didnt register it as an insult, and all of sudden that word wasnt an insult. Similarly if people reacted to "Nigger" as they did to "Person of African Decent" then its no longer an insult, it loses all its "insulting value."
One last thing, i would like to point out that the word Nigger and the words Border-Jumper as different.
Nigger means "person of african decent" so it would be like calling all black people person of african decent, its a fact, all african people have an african ancestor (GEEWHIZ who woulda thought?!)
BUT
Border-Jumper means an illegal immigrant, so it would be like calling all mexicans illegal immigrants, its a racist stereotype not a fact making it racist unlike nigger in the above theory.
well i mean is there anything truly wrong with saying, person A fucked person B
i agree it sounds much cruder than "had sex with" but that the point, it really isnt, its just in our heads
also im assuming this isnt some annoying kid screaming it out in the middle of math class or something
PLAYER57832 wrote:thegreekdog wrote:I was going to vote +2 until I read MeDeFe's post. As he said, words take on a connotation apart from the simple definition or original application. As another example (a word I can say because I am one) "wop" (the deragotry term Italians and Greeks in the US) was originally applied as "without pass." In other words, all of these swarthy, non-English speaking immigrants from the Mediterranean were coming into the US illegally, or without a pass. Now, if someone calls me a wop today, are they referring to me being without a pass? Of course not, they are referring to me in a deragatory fashion because the acronym "wop," although used to describe the condition of an illegal immigrant originally, is now applied as an offensive term for Italians and Greeks.
Interesting how history repeats itself. The same thing (term-wise) is now happening with Mexicans. I find it notable that many of the most virulant "conservative" (in quotes because I think these folks are more right wing than conservative, though they label themselves as conservative) rhetoric seems to make "immigrant" and "illegal immigrant" synonyms.
a.sub wrote:jones they are synonyms if used properly