Conquer Club

Firstly, I like the idea of this map. It is something i would most defiantly play. now into the picking ... Chatham Islands are generally accessed from the South Island of NZ rather than the North Island, also the Tokelau is a territory of New Zealand, so should almost be part of that area bonus, or maybe including NZ as part of Polynesia then dropping Pitcarn Islands, which open it up for including more of indonesia??
Thats all i have for now...

Incandenza wrote:So, then, that's a no to lopping off pitcairn and adding more of indonesia?

I too want more indonesia, the part east of the wallace line, but you dont need to cut of pitcairn, all the parts of indonesia that are needed are visible as grey territories above of the northern territory and western australia.

wow thats a really great map already!

gho wrote:The eastern part of indonesia is a part of oceania, see the wallace line:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_Line

Thus i think you should add another continent, indonesia, with the western part of papua new guinea (known as irian jaya), Celebes, Flores (home to the amazing prehistoric midget men), Timor and all the other islands. You wouldnt need to widen your map because all the territories you would be adding would be above australia.

Yes, please...

Geger wrote:

gho wrote:The eastern part of indonesia is a part of oceania, see the wallace line:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_Line

Thus i think you should add another continent, indonesia, with the western part of papua new guinea (known as irian jaya), Celebes, Flores (home to the amazing prehistoric midget men), Timor and all the other islands. You wouldnt need to widen your map because all the territories you would be adding would be above australia.

Yes, please...

I know that wallace line signs the real end of asia continents and tha beginning of Oceania's one, but it seems to be a biological division so we're are discussing about.
Obviously if the community likes it, we can do this change, but since now i say that we can only admit this states:

- Celebes
- Flores
- Timor
- Malucas
- Irian Java

Thenobodies80

Maybe instead of having territories connected by attacking lines, you can draw territories Classic-style?

thenobodies80 wrote:I know that wallace line signs the real end of asia continents and tha beginning of Oceania's one, but it seems to be a biological division so we're are discussing about.
Obviously if the community likes it, we can do this change, but since now i say that we can only admit this states:

- Celebes
- Flores
- Timor
- Malucas
- Irian Java

Thenobodies80

I think the Wallace line would be great for gameplay, and round off that end of the map. Please keep Norfolk Island, it is a far more significant island than Ashmore reef.

All of your glows are in bad need of less opacity.

gho wrote:

Incandenza wrote:So, then, that's a no to lopping off pitcairn and adding more of indonesia?

I too want more indonesia, the part east of the wallace line, but you dont need to cut of pitcairn, all the parts of indonesia that are needed are visible as grey territories above of the northern territory and western australia.

Yeah, you kinda do. The map is already about as wide as it can get, and the mapmakers are going to need space to properly do whatever bit of indonesia they feel appropriate (i.e. terit and continents names, circles, attack routes and what not). Pitcairn is such an outlier that it seems wasteful to include it.

Incandenza wrote:

gho wrote:

Incandenza wrote:So, then, that's a no to lopping off pitcairn and adding more of indonesia?

I too want more indonesia, the part east of the wallace line, but you dont need to cut of pitcairn, all the parts of indonesia that are needed are visible as grey territories above of the northern territory and western australia.

Yeah, you kinda do. The map is already about as wide as it can get, and the mapmakers are going to need space to properly do whatever bit of indonesia they feel appropriate (i.e. terit and continents names, circles, attack routes and what not). Pitcairn is such an outlier that it seems wasteful to include it.

We 're going to include "wallace line zone" based on this picture ( green zone)

but pitcairn will not deleted because it's useful in gameplay.
Next week you can understand better than now , infact we have to post the new map version
I think we could move pitcair a little bit to left but i have to speak with pikkio because he is the graphic.

We 're going to include "wallace line zone" based on this picture ( green zone)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/TransOceania_m.png/400px-TransOceania_m.png
but pitcairn will not deleted because it's useful in gameplay.
Next week you can understand better than now , infact we have to post the new map version
I think we could move pitcair a little bit to left but i have to speak with pikkio because he is the graphic.

UPDATED TO 1.5 VERSION
HERE

NEW FEATURES:
WALLACE LINE ZONE ( 5 territories):

- Celebes
- Flores
- Timor
- Irian Java
- Malucas

thenobodies80 wrote:
NEW FEATURES:
WALLACE LINE ZONE ( 5 territories):

- Celebes
- Flores
- Timor
- Irian Java
- Malucas

Thanks, but some corrections here :

- Irian Jaya (with y) or West Irian or West Papua
- Maluku or Moluccas

btw, you can call them East Indonesia

uopsss i'm sorry! my mistake... i really don't know very well that zones.. i will correct it!

p.s. in fact i don't like too much the name Wallace Zone for the country.. if thenobodies is agree too, i think that we can call it East Indonesia like you suggest.

wikipedia wrote:The province was known as "West Irian" or "Irian Barat" from 1969 to 1973, and then renamed "Irian Jaya" (roughly translated, "Glorious Irian") by the Suharto administration. This was the official name until "Papua" was adopted in 2002. Today, natives of this province prefer to call themselves Papuans rather than Irianese.

I think Papua would be a good name for it. Irian Jaya, from what I've heard, is a name that is derogatory towards the people there, and a glorification of a military regime who stomped all over those people's push for independance. (This is hearsay) It roughly translates to "The Indonesian army (IRIAN) has triumphed".

Most people in this region call it Papua anyway, sometimes it's called West Papua. Papua sometimes refers to the entire island.

EDIT - Trivia about West Papua's inclusion into Indonesia, after formerly being a Dutch Territory

wikipedia wrote:In 1969, General Sarwo Edhi Wibowo oversaw the Indonesian conduct of the widely criticized "Act of Free Choice." Prior to the vote, the Indonesian military rounded up and detained for one month a large group of Papuan tribal leaders. The Papuans were daily threatened with death at gunpoint if the entire group did not vote to continue Indonesian rule.

/EDIT

e_i_pi wrote:

wikipedia wrote:In 1969, General Sarwo Edhi Wibowo oversaw the Indonesian conduct of the widely criticized "Act of Free Choice." Prior to the vote, the Indonesian military rounded up and detained for one month a large group of Papuan tribal leaders. The Papuans were daily threatened with death at gunpoint if the entire group did not vote to continue Indonesian rule.

I didn't support the action, I'm from Sumatra and we are not happy either with our Central Government. We tried to go independent in 1958 and became the same threatening .
But let's take the politic out from cc

Geger wrote:

e_i_pi wrote:

wikipedia wrote:In 1969, General Sarwo Edhi Wibowo oversaw the Indonesian conduct of the widely criticized "Act of Free Choice." Prior to the vote, the Indonesian military rounded up and detained for one month a large group of Papuan tribal leaders. The Papuans were daily threatened with death at gunpoint if the entire group did not vote to continue Indonesian rule.

I didn't support the action, I'm from Sumatra and we are not happy either with our Central Government. We tried to go independent in 1958 and became the same threatening .
But let's take the politic out from cc

That's why I thought West Papua would be a good name - it is generic, non-political, and describes the area well

e_i_pi wrote:

Geger wrote:

e_i_pi wrote:

wikipedia wrote:In 1969, General Sarwo Edhi Wibowo oversaw the Indonesian conduct of the widely criticized "Act of Free Choice." Prior to the vote, the Indonesian military rounded up and detained for one month a large group of Papuan tribal leaders. The Papuans were daily threatened with death at gunpoint if the entire group did not vote to continue Indonesian rule.

I didn't support the action, I'm from Sumatra and we are not happy either with our Central Government. We tried to go independent in 1958 and became the same threatening .
But let's take the politic out from cc

That's why I thought West Papua would be a good name - it is generic, non-political, and describes the area well

The New Name will be WEST PAPUA!
Thank you for the suggestion
Thenobodies80

NEW VERSION RELEASED

We released the 1.6 version HERE
we add some bombardments point....
Now we're waiting the community response, if nothing is wrong we are going to release the 2.0 version in the next days.

Thenobodies80

version 2 relased. please tell us what do you think about! ^_^

"Turret" should be changed to "territory" in the legend.

Who do the missiles bombard?

Nice...

But I see something wrong with the bonuses
Melanesia has 5 territories and is in the center of the map, but has only 2 bonuses. Compare to Kiribati, that has 4 territories and is on the side of the map, but has 3 bonuses.

I really like this map, and 90% of the map is unchartered in terms of CC. I think the polynasia(purple) is hard to differentiate from the pink, maybe change the pink with another colour?

unfortunately, with that smaller islands is difficult to find 7 colours more different than those.. i tried a couple of different colours but the better remain those ones.

The Neon Peon wrote:"Turret" should be changed to "territory" in the legend.

Who do the missiles bombard?

missiles/turrets can bombard other missiles / turrets as pointed out in the map
Thenobodies80

Geger wrote:Nice...

But I see something wrong with the bonuses
Melanesia has 5 territories and is in the center of the map, but has only 2 bonuses. Compare to Kiribati, that has 4 territories and is on the side of the map, but has 3 bonuses.

Here you can find the bonuses table i used for bonuses.
bonuses Table
Melanesia is defendible by few territories.
And no turrets can attack it!
That's why bonuses it's only 2
But i used a -2,00 approximation so i can give +2 to all countries but the proportion is the same!

Thenobodies80