Marijuana...

[Snorri1234]

Yes. As long as they don't start taxing that shit like ciggarettes and alcohol the fucking bitches.

I think that that's exactly what they should do. In the U.S. at least, they spend exponential amounts of money on preventing drugs from coming into the country. It's my personal opinion that they should legalixe said drugs and then tax the shit out of them. Instead of spending money preventing them, they're making money with them and dissuading people from buying them in one blow.

But I don't want the government dissuading people from buying.

Snorri... this is a discussion of drug policy in the U.S. Right now, drugs are completely illegal, and our jails are full of people who were caught with a gram or two of marijuana. Most of what you can buy is tainted; you have to be really careful. I would be perfectly happy, as an alternative to the current problems, if the government taxed it. It might not be a better option where you are, but here, it's necessary.

Yes I understand, however making it legal already deals with all those problems. Taxing it really only means they can put more money in their pockets, something they would already do as a large portion of police and legal activities are not done anymore.

[Ditocoaf]

The government taxes everything, including alcohol and tobacco. I think the only way the U.S. could possibly legalize marijuana, is if it was regulated and taxed just like the other legal drugs. It's worth it to me, and it wouldn't happen otherwise.

[Juan_Bottom]

Yes. As long as they don't start taxing that shit like ciggarettes and alcohol the fucking bitches.

I think that that's exactly what they should do. In the U.S. at least, they spend exponential amounts of money on preventing drugs from coming into the country. It's my personal opinion that they should legalixe said drugs and then tax the shit out of them. Instead of spending money preventing them, they're making money with them and dissuading people from buying them in one blow.

But I don't want the government dissuading people from buying.

Snorri... this is a discussion of drug policy in the U.S. Right now, drugs are completely illegal, and our jails are full of people who were caught with a gram or two of marijuana. Most of what you can buy is tainted; you have to be really careful. I would be perfectly happy, as an alternative to the current problems, if the government taxed it. It might not be a better option where you are, but here, it's necessary.

Yes I understand, however making it legal already deals with all those problems. Taxing it really only means they can put more money in their pockets, something they would already do as a large portion of police and legal activities are not done anymore.

I'm just gonna toss this out here.

By making it illegal, they are in a way, taxing it. Profits up-and down.

[Ditocoaf]

Snorri... this is a discussion of drug policy in the U.S. Right now, drugs are completely illegal, and our jails are full of people who were caught with a gram or two of marijuana. Most of what you can buy is tainted; you have to be really careful. I would be perfectly happy, as an alternative to the current problems, if the government taxed it. It might not be a better option where you are, but here, it's necessary.

Yes I understand, however making it legal already deals with all those problems. Taxing it really only means they can put more money in their pockets, something they would already do as a large portion of police and legal activities are not done anymore.

I'm just gonna toss this out here.

By making it illegal, they are in a way, taxing it. Profits up-and down.

True...they do make quite a bit of money with fines and such...

[Hologram]

Yes, it should, along with all other illegal drugs.

My reasons lie behind the history of Prohibition. A) the government has no right to tell me how I can or cannot abuse my body, and B) drug users will still use drugs, no matter their legality. The difference is that if you make them illegal, it makes them harder to supply and therefore cost more which encourages crime so the user can actually pay for it.

On the other side, however, their will need to be provisions, just like their are with alcohol, such as no driving while intoxicated, no public intoxication, etc. Also, if you happen to overdose or have some kind of long term effect and need medical care, you get to provide it with your insurance (and no insurance agency in their right mind would insure a drug user) or you get no help.


That's my reasoning. It's not 'cause I'm a pot head or even think that drugs are a good thing. It's purely pragmatism and principles.

Are you sure you are not a Ron Paul Republican?

I like a lot of his policies, a lot. But there are a few key issues where I think it would be absolutely the wrong step in the wrong direction at this point in our history.

Short answer, right guy, wrong time.

But maybe I'll check into what the Libertarian Party nominee has to say about things...

[HapSmo19]

IT GROWS FROM A SEED. They have no right to make it illegal to begin with.

[Snorri1234]

The government taxes everything, including alcohol and tobacco. I think the only way the U.S. could possibly legalize marijuana, is if it was regulated and taxed just like the other legal drugs. It's worth it to me, and it wouldn't happen otherwise.

Oh I'm fine with normal taxes. I just don't want them to tax it so much like that 5/6 of a cigarrette is fucking taxes. I pay about 4.65 euros a pack, and about 1 euro of that is what the company actually gets and the rest is taxes.

[MeDeFe]

The government taxes everything, including alcohol and tobacco. I think the only way the U.S. could possibly legalize marijuana, is if it was regulated and taxed just like the other legal drugs. It's worth it to me, and it wouldn't happen otherwise.

Oh I'm fine with normal taxes. I just don't want them to tax it so much like that 5/6 of a cigarrette is fucking taxes. I pay about 4.65 euros a pack, and about 1 euro of that is what the company actually gets and the rest is taxes.

Oh, those plants look pretty good, too, you can keep one in your living room.

[Pedronicus]

I don't care if the government taxes the arse out of it.
They tax the arse out of alcohol and I still buy it (I could brew my own - but I prefer to let the brewers with a lot of know how, make a beer that I couldn't replicate)
I can (and have) grown my own ganja - but, again what I grew wasn't as good as I hoped, because I had too much all in one go and towards the end it was dry and harsh to smoke.
If the local coffee shop sold gear that was dearer than what I can buy it for now from the local drug dealer, I would still buy the coffee shop stuff because it would be eliminating the street turf war drug related business, that is currently causing all teenagers to arm themselves with a knife.
But this is me. Your average 15 year old kid won't be able to buy it from the coffee shop and there lies a problem in eliminating street dealing.


As far as legalising all the other stuff, I'm all for it.
But I think that cocaine is already such a widely accepted and used drug by the middle classes, a government sold pure gramme might tip a lot of idiots over the edge who are used to some 15-40% pure wrap they are currently snorting.

I want everything legal. (I've not managed to get hold of some decent acid since 1989)

[PLAYER57832]

Made me laught to.

Anyone else notice that no one is voicing an opinion agianst legalizing MJ? Yet people voted against it? What's the deal with that?

Probably because most of them don't visit internet chat rooms ... particularly not this one!

As an interesting aside, the local Amish leaders apparently OK it ... not alchohol, but marihauna is OK

[Snorri1234]

Made me laught to.

Anyone else notice that no one is voicing an opinion agianst legalizing MJ? Yet people voted against it? What's the deal with that?

Probably because most of them don't visit internet chat rooms ... particularly not this one!

I think he was talking about in this poll.

[Snorri1234]

I don't care if the government taxes the arse out of it.
They tax the arse out of alcohol and I still buy it

Well yeah i'd buy it, but I wouldn't like it.

[heavycola]

Hey dagip you know jesus was a stoner? See recipe for anointing oil in Exodus and then ask yourself what 'Christ' means

[DaGip]

Yes, it should, along with all other illegal drugs.

My reasons lie behind the history of Prohibition. A) the government has no right to tell me how I can or cannot abuse my body, and B) drug users will still use drugs, no matter their legality. The difference is that if you make them illegal, it makes them harder to supply and therefore cost more which encourages crime so the user can actually pay for it.

On the other side, however, their will need to be provisions, just like their are with alcohol, such as no driving while intoxicated, no public intoxication, etc. Also, if you happen to overdose or have some kind of long term effect and need medical care, you get to provide it with your insurance (and no insurance agency in their right mind would insure a drug user) or you get no help.


That's my reasoning. It's not 'cause I'm a pot head or even think that drugs are a good thing. It's purely pragmatism and principles.

Are you sure you are not a Ron Paul Republican?

I like a lot of his policies, a lot. But there are a few key issues where I think it would be absolutely the wrong step in the wrong direction at this point in our history.

Short answer, right guy, wrong time.

But maybe I'll check into what the Libertarian Party nominee has to say about things...

Bob Barr voted on a number of issues that Ron Paul was firmly against, that is why I am steering away from him. Also, I don't see Bob Barr having a chance against a Republican or a Democrat. A vote on the Libertarian ticket is the same as a vote for Obama...damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I agree with Ron Paul's drug stance, but I have a hard time with what he wants to do with our allies in NATO...I also didn't like him comparing the Iranian boat incident to the Gulf of Tonkin (but in light of what the United States did, do you really blame him or anyone making that statement of cation?)

The Drug War has done the exact opposite of what it was meant to do. It has strengthened the illegal drug industry, made small gangs incredibly powerful, had a sure hand in bringing us the Meth epidemic, and has put many nonviolent people in jail for just having a joint on them.

When the government acts as a surrogate to our religious institutions and organizations (or even the non-profit non-denominational organizations) and establishes itself as the moral entity in our lives, things always go wrong.

If we didn't have a war on drugs, people could have dealt with the issue on their own, using their own local associations to deal with what is a spiritual/mental problem--addiction. With the government involved, we don't solve the problem, we just make it worse by making criminals out of addicts!

And marijuana being the least harmful out of the illegal drugs to boot. (but maybe I am wrong on this)

[suggs]

Unfortunately the war on drugs seems to be using a weird hybrid of the Crimean war and the 1st WW as their military manual.
OK, i admit i only said that cos i wanted to stick in a classic Lord Raglan (Commander in Chief) quote from just prior to Balaclava:

Raglan: "We must advance soon. Its about time we gave the damned Frenchies a kicking"

His Cof S: "Umm...the french are on our side, sir. You mean the Ruskies".

a loose translation, but he did say something very close to that

er...yeah, legalise drugs

[DaGip]

Unfortunately the war on drugs seems to be using a weird hybrid of the Crimean war and the 1st WW as their military manual.
OK, i admit i only said that cos i wanted to stick in a classic Lord Raglan (Commander in Chief) quote from just prior to Balaclava:

Raglan: "We must advance soon. Its about time we gave the damned Frenchies a kicking"

His Cof S: "Umm...the french are on our side, sir. You mean the Ruskies".

a loose translation, but he did say something very close to that

er...yeah, legalise drugs

ROFL!

[Juan_Bottom]

Having expanded the topic to include all drugs now,....

I am of the mindset that drugs are illegal because there is so much more money in it than if it were legal. Even more so now that the U.S. controls Afgahnistan.

[Hologram]

Having expanded the topic to include all drugs now,....

I am of the mindset that drugs are illegal because there is so much more money in it than if it were legal. Even more so now that the U.S. controls Afgahnistan.

Nah. It's just 'cause Christianity, and really all religions that don't like narcotics are incredibly powerful lobbies. That and most politicians don't like pot heads.

[Smokingdude420]

It was made illegal in most countries to look after the profit making of the oil and chemical companies, this plant can be used to replace these outdated industries. 1% of Irelands landmass, growing hemp for fuel, would provide all the energy needs for the country each year, keeping the money with the farmers and keeping the rural economies active, this is also an environmentally friendly fuel, but these profit crazy capitalists, who DO control our governments, don't like competition.

[InkL0sed]

Having expanded the topic to include all drugs now,....

I am of the mindset that drugs are illegal because there is so much more money in it than if it were legal. Even more so now that the U.S. controls Afgahnistan.

Believe me, we aren't making money from poppies in Afghanistan. The Taliban is.

[Snorri1234]

It was made illegal in most countries to look after the profit making of the oil and chemical companies, this plant can be used to replace these outdated industries. 1% of Irelands landmass, growing hemp for fuel, would provide all the energy needs for the country each year, keeping the money with the farmers and keeping the rural economies active, this is also an environmentally friendly fuel, but these profit crazy capitalists, who DO control our governments, don't like competition.

Also, car-driving would also come down as everyone is just too stoned to really care about going other places. (Other places outside of their heads ofcourse.)

[heavycola]

Having expanded the topic to include all drugs now,....

I am of the mindset that drugs are illegal because there is so much more money in it than if it were legal. Even more so now that the U.S. controls Afgahnistan.

Believe me, we aren't making money from poppies in Afghanistan. The Taliban is.

No, they make money from puppies.

[Snorri1234]

Having expanded the topic to include all drugs now,....

I am of the mindset that drugs are illegal because there is so much more money in it than if it were legal. Even more so now that the U.S. controls Afgahnistan.

Believe me, we aren't making money from poppies in Afghanistan. The Taliban is.

No, they make money from puppies.

No those are soldiers. Posting youtube videos of them kicking puppies into canyons.

[InkL0sed]

Having expanded the topic to include all drugs now,....

I am of the mindset that drugs are illegal because there is so much more money in it than if it were legal. Even more so now that the U.S. controls Afgahnistan.

Believe me, we aren't making money from poppies in Afghanistan. The Taliban is.

No, they make money from puppies.

No those are soldiers. Posting youtube videos of them kicking puppies into canyons.

Don't even get me started about that industry...

[Smokingdude420]

It was made illegal in most countries to look after the profit making of the oil and chemical companies, this plant can be used to replace these outdated industries. 1% of Irelands landmass, growing hemp for fuel, would provide all the energy needs for the country each year, keeping the money with the farmers and keeping the rural economies active, this is also an environmentally friendly fuel, but these profit crazy capitalists, who DO control our governments, don't like competition.

Also, car-driving would also come down as everyone is just too stoned to really care about going other places. (Other places outside of their heads ofcourse.)

heres a fact that most people dont know about cars and hemp The stems can be turned into an environmentally friendly bio-fuel to run car, planes, train, boat, buses, trucks, the Space Shuttle, etc. this would give ALL the farmers worldwide a living instead of outrageous profits for a few oil companies. Industrial Hemp would be harvested at a height of 200cm this would allow 2 crops per year. Can produce from 10ton to 50ton of bio-mass per acre. 50-100 plants per square foot.