Conquer Club

Donelladan wrote:

owenshooter wrote: clans are lamer now than ever, but they are more responsible for the destruction of the overall gaming on the site... IMPOSSIBLE MAP/FOG/TRENCH vs. IMPOSSIBLE MAP/FOG/TRENCH... hell, we all know most clans have a guy that looks at each turn before they are taken. a few even have one or two players that take all the turns.

I do not know what's up between you and trench, but trench is a different gameplay to "no trench" game, just like flat rate and escalating are two kind of spoils but with a completly different gameplay. Trench is not more difficult that no trench, it is only different.

You may dislike what the clan world became, it does not mean clan now are lame or bad. You opinion is not divine.
There is many active clans and players very active in the clans, clans world is a reason for many players to stay on CC or to be more involved with CC. Which is proof enough to say that many many people do not share your opinion about clans.

owenshooter wrote:clans aren't what they were. the days of Thota/Stashwhackers/Spanking Monkeys/BpB/etc, are over... there aren't any rivalries... nobody follows clan war threads.. nobody is poking into clan war games and posting, that isn't involved. when we had clan wars, they were events. they were throw downs. you felt it across the entire site. people knew what the f*ck was going on. now, who gives a f*ck?

Last war my clan made, 15 pages, 359 replieds, 17k view, people from many clans replied. So yes many people know what the f*ck is going on and there is people that give a f*ck.
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Maybe the entire site didn't know about it like in your time. But you know, I am on CC since march 2009, at that time your clan was active, and I've never heard about your clan at the time. I discovered your clan only recently when you started posted in the clan forum in the topic " Top 10 Clans of All Time ".

Just checked some of the clan war your clan made at the time clan world was so glorious.
against THOTA, 10 pages
against IA, 2 pages
against DB, 2 pages
against G1, 4 pages.

Dont try to talk sense to owen, if BPB isn't active and involved anymore it can't be as good as the good ol' days

Well. It's clear. In the words of the Gunsligner, "the world has moved on, speak ye true and thank ya."

It was super hard to feel included back when I joined because things were so tight on the forums and in clans. There was an elitism. When TOFU and its ilk rose up we were told we weren't as good as clans back "in the day." So THAT wasn't good enough. Now I come back and whine about things being dull. Meh. As usual? I'm an idiot.

Plenty of fun here. Just not as intense.

My gaming intensity is in Clash of Clans anyway.

See ya on the map.

E.

I've had a similar experience to you elfish_lad in that I've been away for a couple of years and I've seen how this place has changed.

I like Conquer Club. Always have done. However I feel that the site hasn't moved with the times and has been somewhat eclipsed by the rise of smartphone and tablet gaming, and on the community side of things, php forums feel a bit less relevant nowadays. CC is the only forum that I look at, so maybe I'm also out of touch.

CC has always felt a bit stagnant to me. I'm happy with the way things are, sure, but we've never had a leader active developing the game/website/forums, trying to make this place better - (actively being the key word there). Most of us log in every day to take our turns and check the latest in the forums. We are active. The management never took an interest.

t-o-m wrote:I've had a similar experience to you elfish_lad in that I've been away for a couple of years and I've seen how this place has changed.

so maybe I'm also out of touch.

CC has always felt a bit stagnant to me. I'm happy with the way things are, sure, but we've never had a leader active developing the game/website/forums, trying to make this place better - (actively being the key word there). Most of us log in every day to take our turns and check the latest in the forums. We are active. The management never took an interest.

------Lack didn't really play...ElJefe...played... both had their own ideas.....Both of them treated their mods/vols...LIKE CRAP...So nothing could get done...
------I razz The High Command on it's moves...There is room for improvement...Most ideas are not liked...The casual players get forgotten...
------BUT I WILL SAY THIS ...YOU ARE WRONG WHEN YOU SAY WE DO NOT HAVE AN ACTIVE LEADER...Big "W".....IS VERY ACTIVE...PLAYS...,AND GETS ALONG WITH HIS MODS/VOLS...SO YOUR STATEMENT IS INVALID... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... ...You might be out of touch with reality as well.

ConfederateSS wrote:------BUT I WILL SAY THIS ...YOU ARE WRONG WHEN YOU SAY WE DO NOT HAVE AN ACTIVE LE..Big "W".....IS VERY ACTIVE...PLAYS...,AND GETS ALONG WITH HIS MODS/VOLS...SO YOUR STATEMENT IS INVALID... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... ...You might be out of touch with reality as well.

Speaking of being out of touch with reality, please don't comment on something you know absolutely nothing about. While it's good behind the scenes in our current state, it hasn't always been with bW (rocky start with some mods who are no longer with us) and there is absolutely no way for you to make any judgement call without this knowledge. Things are good now as everyone has acclimated, but I absolutely cannot stand that you made that comment.


SO YOUR STATEMENT IS INVALID...
-/-/---/--/tHe aNTI-hypoCRACY REBELLION OUT!!!-----/-/-/

JamesKer1 wrote:

ConfederateSS wrote:------BUT I WILL SAY THIS ...YOU ARE WRONG WHEN YOU SAY WE DO NOT HAVE AN ACTIVE LE..Big "W".....IS VERY ACTIVE...PLAYS...,AND GETS ALONG WITH HIS MODS/VOLS...SO YOUR STATEMENT IS INVALID... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... ...You might be out of touch with reality as well.

Speaking of being out of touch with reality, please don't comment on something you know absolutely nothing about. While it's good behind the scenes in our current state, it hasn't always been with bW (rocky start with some mods who are no longer with us) and there is absolutely no way for you to make any judgement call without this knowledge.

-------In the past The past 2 drove their mods/vols ...away....THEIR MODS/VOLS VOICED THEIR PROBLEMS WITH THE PREVIOUS 2 site owners....SO THERE IS A WAY...THE FORUM...Like you said some mods/vols left...BUT THE MAJORITY OF YOU WERE ABLE TO WORK WITH Big "W"...More than the others were with their owners....SO I CAN MAKE A CALL. I CALL 'EM....LIKE I SEE 'EM...THE PROOF IS WRITTEN IN THE FORUMS....YOU'RE MORE OUT OF TOUCH THAN TOM IS...ALTHOUGH YOU YOURSELF WENT AWAY FOR AWHILE...
-------THE OTHER PROOF IS THE CHANGES Big"W" HAS MADE(GOOD or BAD)...TO SAY HE IS INACTIVE...IS SOMEONE WHO HASN'T BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO THE SITE OR GOING OVER THE FORUMS. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

I do what I can, I think I moderate the forums in a more relaxed way than any other forum mod before me.. If I am doing wrong let me know,
I am not so active now as i mentioned in another thread, but anyone can reach me at any time.

Flame Wars? well, I petitioned for its return 3 times.

Permabans?? we have old permabanned members returning and welcomed, all they need do is hit the help button and file a ticket to be reinstated.

Let me know what else i can do.. the forum is here for the members, not for mods/admin

------You don't have to hide in PM James...
------I have no love for The High Command....But I will give credit where credit is due. Big"W"...Is more active than any of the other owners...To say he is not... is`crazy...
------Now...as for the mods/vols....those you mentioned quit of their own free will. I doubt any were fired or asked to leave...Like mods/vols under the previous owners...I'm sure if they were fired ,the forums would have heard an ear full.
------Some of those you mentioned still work on the site...Two of them tried to impose their way in the forum. When they were called out. They couldn't take what they dished out and quit...of their own free will. Four of them never should have been mods/vols. Just how they acted ,their persona(off their meds.)...you're so smart,you figure out who is who...I understand after people kept getting their way. When all of a sudden things changed. They chose to leave. Which happens everywhere ,when new owners come in,the old workers are left to deal with changes.
------When Big"W" first took over. He tried to be public in the forums. Received tons of backlash. Yes,before you say it. I myself could have contributed to some of that lash. I don't know exactly what the final straw was. That made Big"W" zip up his lips and stop communicating with the Community. Let the mods speak for him. Maybe some day he will return to speaking in public again. Big"W" and Most of the Mods/Vols on this site are Active and Helpful...So Tom's saying they do nothing, are inactive with the community was not fair...So keep speaking out against what I was trying to say. WHETHER I LIKE THEIR CHOICES OR NOT. THE MEMBERS OF THE HIGH COMMAND ARE ACTIVE MORE THAN THEY HAVE EVER BEEN. TRYING...TRYING TO TURN THINGS AROUND. THAT CAN'T BE TAKEN AWAY FROM THEM. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

i'll tell you what... this wouldn't even be a discussion had the CC wiki survived!!!

Subject: CC wiki

*cough*, *choke*, *cough*... sorry, almost killed myself with that bit of hilarity...-Jésus noir

p.s.-and if you want to see a prime example of the issue with the current mods, here you go: Subject: Deleted the wiki... i know who the good ones are, and i pm them and let them know and support them with all my black jesus juju...

ConfederateSS wrote:

t-o-m wrote:I've had a similar experience to you elfish_lad in that I've been away for a couple of years and I've seen how this place has changed.

so maybe I'm also out of touch.

CC has always felt a bit stagnant to me. I'm happy with the way things are, sure, but we've never had a leader active developing the game/website/forums, trying to make this place better - (actively being the key word there). Most of us log in every day to take our turns and check the latest in the forums. We are active. The management never took an interest.

------Lack didn't really play...ElJefe...played... both had their own ideas.....Both of them treated their mods/vols...LIKE CRAP...So nothing could get done...
------I razz The High Command on it's moves...There is room for improvement...Most ideas are not liked...The casual players get forgotten...
------BUT I WILL SAY THIS ...YOU ARE WRONG WHEN YOU SAY WE DO NOT HAVE AN ACTIVE LEADER...Big "W".....IS VERY ACTIVE...PLAYS...,AND GETS ALONG WITH HIS MODS/VOLS...SO YOUR STATEMENT IS INVALID... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... ...You might be out of touch with reality as well.

I'll put up a defense for Lack. I don't ever remember him treating me like crap. Granted, he wasn't very... translucent with what he was doing, but not once did I ever feel disrespected by him. I had a ton of respect for him, and especially KA. I always tried to model myself after him (I just don't think it's possible to replicate him).

El Jefe, well, he wasn't around long enough to get to know him, and I didn't mod long enough under BW to know him either.

ConfederateSS wrote:-
------When Big"W" first took over. He tried to be public in the forums. Received tons of backlash. Yes,before you say it. I myself could have contributed to some of that lash. I don't know exactly what the final straw was. That made Big"W" zip up his lips and stop communicating with the Community. Let the mods speak for him. Maybe some day he will return to speaking in public again. Big"W" and Most of the Mods/Vols on this site are Active and Helpful...So Tom's saying they do nothing, are inactive with the community was not fair...So keep speaking out against what I was trying to say. WHETHER I LIKE THEIR CHOICES OR NOT. THE MEMBERS OF THE HIGH COMMAND ARE ACTIVE MORE THAN THEY HAVE EVER BEEN. TRYING...TRYING TO TURN THINGS AROUND. THAT CAN'T BE TAKEN AWAY FROM THEM. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

I try to speak for BW as often as I can. Sometimes more, sometimes less. It does sometimes frustrate the hell out of me that he refuses to engage in the forums, but while I don't like it, I do understand it. Like you say, he really did try to be communicative in his early days, but the community took a big dump on his face and he withdrew. But it wasn't just hurt feelings, I think. A lot of it was straight up a dispassionate cost/benefit analysis. Engaging in the forums burns up a lot of time that is better spent programming and bug hunting, so his withdrawal from the forums was to a large degree a rational decision based on the costs and benefits of the various uses of his time.

Anyway, I'm glad you see it, and I'm not the only one.

Dukasaur wrote:Engaging in the forums burns up a lot of time that is better spent programming and bug hunting, so his withdrawal from the forums was to a large degree a rational decision based on the costs and benefits of the various uses of his time.

or just being a pussy...


JUST KIDDING!!! i totally get it... however, what i don't get is the absolute feeling of alienation he has left forum goers with. we are some of the most passionate and loyal members of this site. we may shit on it at times, but we love it. when lack wasn't around, we had Twill... after Twill left, we had some good global mods that were underneath Andy (no comment. he meant well)... now, we have no global mod, we don't have a "TWILL", we really don't have anyone as the face of CC in the forums, responding to members. look at the suggestion threads and the ideas in GD for the site... how cool if we had someone like a "TWILL" that we knew took the good shit to the top and bounced it off the dude. no offense, but there are only a handful of volunteers i respect and consider peers on this site, and i know how hard they work/try. but after seeing nothing for so long and not having a sign of life from the top, you start to wonder. maybe he should make another foray into the forums... we don't bite that hard...-Jésus noir

owenshooter wrote:
or just being a pussy...


JU

What's wrong with cats?

elfish_lad wrote:...........As a former headmaster of grade schools............

E.

Now this!!! Well you had me fooled with this "Lad" business I can tell ya.



I think a lot of the super keen players, players who probably would have searched for a game like this, maybe suffered burnout / divorce / old age or just realized it was time to stop letting an internet game site rule their life?

I agree with Owen that the forums have deteriorated, some would say that Owen is part of that problem though, or that most things discussed are re-runs of an old topic, or that they are a bit valueless, since nothing will get done anyhows.

nippersean wrote:

elfish_lad wrote:...........As a former headmaster of grade schools............

E.

Now this!!! Well you had me fooled with this "Lad" business I can tell ya.



I think a lot of the super keen players, players who probably would have searched for a game like this, maybe suffered burnout / divorce / old age or just realized it was time to stop letting an internet game site rule their life?

I agree with Owen that the forums have deteriorated, some would say that Owen is part of that problem though, or that most things discussed are re-runs of an old topic, or that they are a bit valueless, since nothing will get done anyhows.

Yeah nipper. I've tended to play my real life cards pretty close to the vest in the past.

There are a number of indicators of a dead "community" here at CC. #1 Your club, institution, team, forum are dead when you loose leaders and creators and no one is interested in replacing them. #2 Strong and formally vital parts of the community are shadows of their former selves, in this case the clan forum and the map forums come to mind.

Most players I play have never posted in any forum. But that's always been true in my experience here.

Life moves on. And? Like you point out? There is no way I would ever put the same hours into community building here or anywhere like I used to.

Thanks for the note.

E.

owenshooter wrote:
the "Calming of the bigger and controversial occurrences", shows how far off the path this site is. give me back wicked, give me back the old clans that gave a f*ck and came to kill in clan wars, give me back the forum i was afraid to post in until i had been here for a month (took me almost a year to go to off topics/flame wars), give me back members so impassioned they recorded songs on youtube about the site/moderators, give me members making instructional or ad-ish videos about the site on youtube, give me mods faking their deaths and banning anyone that called bullshit on it, give me SOMETHING to show people are passionate about this site... the controversies kept this place going, like a shot of adrenalin!! how many old clan wars were started in the forums and finished with a battle and locked clan war thread? and if you don't want controversy, how about the time a former mod was ARRESTED IN ALASKA FOR STEALING THE INTERNET TO PLAY CC and it hit the AP Wires?!! he "stole" the freaking wireless internet, UNHEARD of back then and ridiculous today!! what about Happy2seeyou going to a risk convention and giving the nerds mega boners?!!! this place was the tits (no, happy, multiple children later, you still do not have boobs)... sigh... THE. GOOD. OLD. DAYS...

I agree with all of the above plus whatever I deleted out because Owen, unlike in real life, can go on forever. Except there's one thing in this paragraph that is no longer true.

the forums seem much deader than usual, of late...

Who dun it?

Colonel Mustard, in the ballroom, with the lead pipe!

riskllama wrote:the forums seem much deader than usual, of late...

is prince here?-Bj

Wow.

what about doris roberts?!!



it's getting crowded in Ghost Town!!!-Bj

elfish_lad wrote:Wow.

i think i just saw Chyna!!! i can see Chyna from my kitchen window!@!!



the forums truly are a ghost town...-BJ

elfish_lad wrote:I was gone from CC for a couple of years. Woo. Hoo. Big deal. I know. Zero care there. I burned out and left. Phffft. There you do go.

However, coming back I never would have believed that I would come back to a ghost town. I know there are tonnes of players. Last night, while I was giving a generous hummer all night long to the unbelievably still whacky dice (he told me I done good) there were over 500 people logged on. Cool. Yay Big Whammer. Make that scratch buddy.

But what has happened? There is no newsletter. No serious clan banter. No big activity on the community message board. I still see seriously good players offering games but they are all silent.

What, in your opinion, has happened? I'm curious on your take.

E.

Do you seriously want the players take or was this rhetorical, most were speaking out when lack was still in charge and even today on occasion they still speak on occasion much like u.s. politics the top doesn't seem to listen
And woe to those who do speak,because the same individuals always counter them and fight any change that doesn't agree with THEIR status here wether it be rank, clan or longevity and to put it to rest this was not a shot at mods,it is a shot at those who for above reasons who believe only they have a say

I think the top (aka admin) have been more receptive than ever to changing things on the site. While changes have slowed as we all expected, BW has changed quite a bit since he took over and the majority of those changes were long standing requests from members.

Everyone has a say or is able to suggest changes, but not everyone will agree and have equal ability to speak out against / for suggestions.