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I believe that "Yes," followed by a challenging statement, qualifies as a response to what you were saying.Symmetry wrote:Is this going to be a running theme? Selective editing and a refusal to respond to what I'm saying?Metsfanmax wrote:Yes. Please, defend Stalin.Symmetry wrote: Or that the USSR was worse than Tsarist Russia with serfs?
P(Sym's trolling) now equals 90%.saxitoxin wrote:Regrettably Symm only means what he says about Cuba insofar as he can wear a tshirt with Che's picture. He has made it clear he is absolutely opposed to the revolutionary socialist internationalist ethos that is inseperable with the Cuban worldview.
Cuba supports return of the Malvinas to Argentina and Gibraltar to Spain, Symm does not. Cuba backs the Syrian Arab Socialist Baath Party, Symm does not. Cuba supported the liberation of Crimea by Russia. Symm wants NATO war. Cuba has offered safe haven to Irish freedom fighters fleeing British police, which Symm opposes.
These are not incidental differences of opinion. These positions are central to the anti-imperialist fulcrum on which all of Cuba, including domestic policies, turn. The hypocrisy from Symm is astounding.*
- * edit - still a Symm fan, just saying he's being hypocritical here
edit x2 - Symm is right when he says the Cuban government at its "worst" is 100X better than the former U.S.-backed Batista regime.
I agree. Add insert (a) into (c) as you please.Metsfanmax wrote:(a) and (c) are not mutually exclusive.
That's full on trolling.BigBallinStalin wrote:I agree. Add insert (a) into (c) as you please.Metsfanmax wrote:(a) and (c) are not mutually exclusive.
But, if it's (c), then it could be the case that Symmetry is quasi-trolling by starting with troll-claims and then ending with some sincerely believed but small point--"your wrong because 'i before e except after c.'"
I will happily modify my points if they're wrong. That's not trolling, it's a debate.Metsfanmax wrote:(a) and (c) are not mutually exclusive.
Who's trolling? Him or me?Metsfanmax wrote:That's full on trolling.BigBallinStalin wrote:I agree. Add insert (a) into (c) as you please.Metsfanmax wrote:(a) and (c) are not mutually exclusive.
But, if it's (c), then it could be the case that Symmetry is quasi-trolling by starting with troll-claims and then ending with some sincerely believed but small point--"your wrong because 'i before e except after c.'"
Both of you, but in this case I meant him.BigBallinStalin wrote:Who's trolling? Him or me?Metsfanmax wrote:That's full on trolling.BigBallinStalin wrote:I agree. Add insert (a) into (c) as you please.Metsfanmax wrote:(a) and (c) are not mutually exclusive.
But, if it's (c), then it could be the case that Symmetry is quasi-trolling by starting with troll-claims and then ending with some sincerely believed but small point--"your wrong because 'i before e except after c.'"
Yes, I think that is a sufficient description of what is to come. Let's wrap this up and move onto the Troll Forest voting.To be fair, his small claim to fame will most likely be "you can't deny that it rapidly changes societies." Of course, that's a tautological point if it's assuming that some form of Communism already becomes implemented at a large enough scale in place X. In other words, "you can't deny that a change is a change." Duh, Sym. If he wants to provide evidence on the speed of change, then that'll be amusing. He probably can't, so he'd remove "rapidly" and declare himself victor since "a change is a change."
Can we /thread nao?
Thanks Ovo. A nuanced view was kind of getting lost here.oVo wrote:No, all systems of government are flawed. It's the Human Element that basically fucks them up.The United States' form of Democracy is extremely flawed, but historically is one of the more successful applications of the concept. Unfortunately corporate/political greed are impeding the progress and process of American Democracy.
There are no true communist governments to fail, since they have all been dictatorships. The human element once again negates the idea.
Aren't there communes which practice Communism?oVo wrote:No, all systems of government are flawed. It's the Human Element that basically fucks them up.The United States' form of Democracy is extremely flawed, but historically is one of the more successful applications of the concept. Unfortunately corporate/political greed are impeding the progress and process of American Democracy.
There are no true communist governments to fail, since they have all been dictatorships. The human element once again negates the idea.
Aren't you generally Libertarian? I thought you'd be open to the idea of a diverse range of communist views given how diverse the libertarians are.BigBallinStalin wrote:Aren't there communes which practice Communism?oVo wrote:No, all systems of government are flawed. It's the Human Element that basically fucks them up.The United States' form of Democracy is extremely flawed, but historically is one of the more successful applications of the concept. Unfortunately corporate/political greed are impeding the progress and process of American Democracy.
There are no true communist governments to fail, since they have all been dictatorships. The human element once again negates the idea.
Symmetry wrote:So, wait, pointing out that Communism is an efficient, but flawed system in some cases is trolling now?
Many government systems are effective at killing their own people, and indeed, other people. I'm not sure what your point is. Can you clarify?ChrisPond wrote:Symmetry wrote:So, wait, pointing out that Communism is an efficient, but flawed system in some cases is trolling now?
when used on a large scale, communism appears to be a very efficient way of killing one's own citizens, especially those that do not agree with the system.
can we call the system that the US uses a "representative republic" instead of a "democracy" for the sake of being accurate?
You're trying too hard.Symmetry wrote:Aren't you generally Libertarian? I thought you'd be open to the idea of a diverse range of communist views given how diverse the libertarians are.BigBallinStalin wrote:Aren't there communes which practice Communism?oVo wrote:No, all systems of government are flawed. It's the Human Element that basically fucks them up.The United States' form of Democracy is extremely flawed, but historically is one of the more successful applications of the concept. Unfortunately corporate/political greed are impeding the progress and process of American Democracy.
There are no true communist governments to fail, since they have all been dictatorships. The human element once again negates the idea.
I'm not trying to attack you on this though, it just seemed odd.
I was just interested in your take, sorry.BigBallinStalin wrote:You're trying too hard.Symmetry wrote:Aren't you generally Libertarian? I thought you'd be open to the idea of a diverse range of communist views given how diverse the libertarians are.BigBallinStalin wrote:Aren't there communes which practice Communism?oVo wrote:No, all systems of government are flawed. It's the Human Element that basically fucks them up.The United States' form of Democracy is extremely flawed, but historically is one of the more successful applications of the concept. Unfortunately corporate/political greed are impeding the progress and process of American Democracy.
There are no true communist governments to fail, since they have all been dictatorships. The human element once again negates the idea.
I'm not trying to attack you on this though, it just seemed odd.
And you're not credible. Thanks for the reminder.Symmetry wrote:I was just interested on your take, sorry.BigBallinStalin wrote:You're trying too hard.Symmetry wrote:Aren't you generally Libertarian? I thought you'd be open to the idea of a diverse range of communist views given how diverse the libertarians are.BigBallinStalin wrote:Aren't there communes which practice Communism?oVo wrote:No, all systems of government are flawed. It's the Human Element that basically fucks them up.The United States' form of Democracy is extremely flawed, but historically is one of the more successful applications of the concept. Unfortunately corporate/political greed are impeding the progress and process of American Democracy.
There are no true communist governments to fail, since they have all been dictatorships. The human element once again negates the idea.
I'm not trying to attack you on this though, it just seemed odd.
Are you asking me? I don't think I've claimed that.mrswdk wrote:Please point out how Mao's communist China was more efficient than the capitalist system that has followed it (since the start of the 80s).
More efficient in killing millions of people.mrswdk wrote:Please point out how Mao's communist China was more efficient than the capitalist system that has followed it (since the start of the 80s).
Through deliberate Soviet policy millions of Soviet citizens were killed. Stalin had a policy of ordering people arrested and killed only for the sake of creating enough terror to make everyone else go along. Yes Tsarist Russia had serfdom up until 1861, but it didin't engage in the downright murderous policies that Stalin or Lenin did.Symmetry wrote: They had serfdom dude, get your head screwed on.
Okay, maybe I put words in your mouth there. Let's try: please explain how communism 'worked pretty well in China'.Symmetry wrote:Are you asking me? I don't think I've claimed that.mrswdk wrote:Please point out how Mao's communist China was more efficient than the capitalist system that has followed it (since the start of the 80s).