(1) Churches are voluntary associations, and their rules are agreed upon joining. (caveat: mandatory matrimonial laws, okay). Whatever some people are doing in one church does not affect me.
Though I'm probably with you if you want to go have a talk with the Westburo Baptist people.
(2) Not really. One of the big groups of Yahushua's time in Jerusalem did not believe in an afterlife. I can look it up if you want. Further there are hundreds of rules where you took a bird or something in to the temple and killed it and everything was fixed.
But you're right. There are groups that believe you're going to be punished even if you break a rule you don't even know. I can't buy that.
As for the differing group. Now the schools are franchised. Some people are opening copy cat schools. Everyone is trying to tell others what missing things really are. Once some groups decide they know everything they need to to use the rule they do it. It's just going to be a mess.
Since Yahushua explained there's really only two rules, they are usually easy to follow and will prevent any gross failure to follow all the stricter rules presented by Moses. There is a lot of space to follow your own personal path. Typically anyone following the two rules can get along with each other without needing to agree because we also respect each other and don't need to disagree.
Most problems come from our human nature to want to help others do whatever we are doing. Once you get two people agreeing on some higher rule they tend to try to "help" everyone else learn and follow it, right or wrong.
Some times a suggestion is obviously the right thing. Example, you tell me, "dimes, you should be kind to your spouse. If you think back it was easy when you got married and were in love."
Other times we may get caught up in trying to become the Hebrews of times past. "Stally, don't eat those delicious shrimp. They used to be an unclean food." or step it up with, "Don't let Doctors save your child's life by allowing a blood transfusion, here's a list of the rules that could possibly support the idea blood transfusions are wrong." I've even heard reasonable arguments that support avoiding shrimp which can complicate such issues by making them seem sensible.
I suspect if I spend too much time hanging out with the wrong people and trying or thinking we are following the impossible rules. I risk making up some nice colorfully decorated signs with hateful slogans. I hope God would cause a nice explosion that would kill me and destroy the signs before I have a chance to break Yahushua's rules by showing them to people. Or prevent it in some equally effective manner I can't imagine.
I'd zip down to explain the problem with hatefull signs to that group but they would think I was Satin himself trying to decieve them. For all I know God might be using them to show everyone how dangerous self righteous hatred is. I have never seen anyone outside their group agree with them. I would debate them if God put me there or brings them to me.
Oh God were art thou? Jerking off to our sins in heaven maybe? If we're created in his image he's a sad god indeed. I imagine he'd be something like lackattack.
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I always thought the "don't judge others" thing was more, "don't judge others unless you're willing to be judged yourself". Which is why Night Strike should be held to the same rules everyone else is, and should be banned for all of his infractions, the same as everyone else is.
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pimpdave wrote:I always thought the "don't judge others" thing was more, "don't judge others unless you're willing to be judged yourself". Which is why Night Strike should be held to the same rules everyone else is, and should be banned for all of his infractions, the same as everyone else is.
BigBallinStalin wrote:I thought you weren't suppose to apply biblical laws to CC. Isn't that against the 10th Commandment or something?
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people?
BigBallinStalin wrote:I thought you weren't suppose to apply biblical laws to CC. Isn't that against the 10th Commandment or something?
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people?
Do we not live in a government of the people or a government of the law?
BigBallinStalin wrote:Yeah, that whole "not judging thing" is problematic. Here we have a book with all these rules with which people must be judged, but then the book says, "don't judge others." Perhaps, it's only an issue with semantics, or maybe it's again one of those "this is literal; oh! but that's metaphorical cuz I said so" issues.
Then again, maybe it is a case of progression.
Just as we change rules for our kids as they age, so has God changed the rules for humanity as we have matured. Of courese, just as some kids never really learn to mature past age 5, and need essentially the same rules, (not talking mentally disabled, either ) so, too, do some humans refuse to accept greater ability to think for themselves.. and the responsibility that goes with it.
"I do wrong, daddy punishes me... and life is OK" is easy; "I did wrong, need to do what I can to fix it or accept that it never really can be 'made better' (but am forgiven .. and need to work to do better truly from now on) Is much, much harder.
And some kids never learn to mature past the age of believing in santa claus...
"I do wrong, santa puts me on the naughty list" is easy; "I do wrong, I have to take responsibility for my actions because there is no santa claus" is much, much harder.
And the easiest of all is claiming that things we cannot touch, feel or see just don't exist.
If a thing has no empirically measurable effect on any real-world phenomenon, it's pointless to even speculate about it's potential existence.
BigBallinStalin wrote:Yeah, that whole "not judging thing" is problematic. Here we have a book with all these rules with which people must be judged, but then the book says, "don't judge others." Perhaps, it's only an issue with semantics, or maybe it's again one of those "this is literal; oh! but that's metaphorical cuz I said so" issues.
Then again, maybe it is a case of progression.
Just as we change rules for our kids as they age, so has God changed the rules for humanity as we have matured. Of courese, just as some kids never really learn to mature past age 5, and need essentially the same rules, (not talking mentally disabled, either ) so, too, do some humans refuse to accept greater ability to think for themselves.. and the responsibility that goes with it.
"I do wrong, daddy punishes me... and life is OK" is easy; "I did wrong, need to do what I can to fix it or accept that it never really can be 'made better' (but am forgiven .. and need to work to do better truly from now on) Is much, much harder.
And some kids never learn to mature past the age of believing in santa claus...
"I do wrong, santa puts me on the naughty list" is easy; "I do wrong, I have to take responsibility for my actions because there is no santa claus" is much, much harder.
And the easiest of all is claiming that things we cannot touch, feel or see just don't exist.
If a thing has no empirically measurable effect on any real-world phenomenon, it's pointless to even speculate about it's potential existence.
Except it is humanities' capacity to dream, to imagine, and to think beyond the mere empirical that has pushed us forward throughout time and even allowed us to coexist in complex societies.
BigBallinStalin wrote:I thought you weren't suppose to apply biblical laws to CC. Isn't that against the 10th Commandment or something?
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people?
Do we not live in a government of the people or a government of the law?
We have a government of laws made by the people, at least in theory.
BigBallinStalin wrote:I thought you weren't suppose to apply biblical laws to CC. Isn't that against the 10th Commandment or something?
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people?
Do we not live in a government of the people or a government of the law?
We have a government of laws made by the people, at least in theory.
How many acts of legislation have you signed, PLAYER?
BigBallinStalin wrote:I thought you weren't suppose to apply biblical laws to CC. Isn't that against the 10th Commandment or something?
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people?
Do we not live in a government of the people or a government of the law?
We have a government of laws made by the people, at least in theory.
How many acts of legislation have you signed, PLAYER?
The signing is not when legislation is created. I have worked on legislation that passed. Also, I came from California where issues are passed by reforendum. I have voted on more than a few.
Aw, rds! I wa going to get player to admit that she is not the embodiment of the people and that almos all people do not sign legislation or write it, so we do not live in a government by the people--regardless of our imaginations, but okay... . She'll just have to make her own thread.
BigBallinStalin wrote:Aw, rds! I wa going to get player to admit that she is not the embodiment of the people and that almos all people do not sign legislation or write it, so we do not live in a government by the people--regardless of our imaginations, but okay... . She'll just have to make her own thread.
I think, perhaps, and I say this only with regard to possible outcomes, that you may have been (and I suggest this only as a possibiliity) overreaching in your particular desire with regard to your aim.
Perchance your ambition was limited by your ability.
the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
In order for Symmetry to prove himself to be worthy of a dignified response, he should defend his erroneous claims regarding US conservative Christian groups.
Until then, his quibbles shall be justifiably ignored.
Furthermore, as self-appointed Defender of the ConquerClubbers, I charge Symmetry with Flaming FAIL, Conspiracy to Troll, and Intentional Off-Topic Meandering. For the good of the CC Community, I recommend that we hold Symmetry in contempt until he deviates from his criminal pursuits.
Currently, I am hesitant to brandish him as an outlaw. As an outlaw he would be prohibited from CC legal redress; therefore, all may flame and troll him until he pays for his crimes against CC Society.
) so, too, do some humans refuse to accept greater ability to think for themselves.. and the responsibility that goes with it.
. She'll just have to make her own thread.
