Conquer Club

army of nobunaga wrote: (1) And as to why I know he is dead- because no fanatic is going to be taken without a fight.

(2) Seals are not Cia and are not intel mercs. they are killers... And the seals captured him.

(3) There are more leaks in the US military than the titanic. No way the most wanted man in the world gets to point a to point b secretly in captivity.

(4) No way a whole navel ship of scrubs is ignorant of a fake burial.

(5) But this was inevitable. You will still find people that think Kennedy was shot by the CIA.. you will still find people that say we never landed on the moon.

(1) You are making an assumption. In the latest official version of events, Osama was not armed. The only danger was that he would detonate a suicide vest. Thus, any nonlethal way of incapacitating him would do the job.

(2) Why seals? Because the government said so?? LOL, seals may be securing the perimeter but we do not know who was inside and what their orders were. In fact, the latest official version that their order was to kill unless it was safe to capture but the latter was only possible if Osama had been naked because of the suicide vest!! Thus, the government considered capturing him which only proves my theory.

(3) is actually valid point but Titanic had only 6 small leaks. I believe more people actually know the true details of the operation: I estimate 3 in the room + at most 10 on top of them. You understand that the only danger is that if this is leaked while Osama is still alive, which is going to be a very short period. After this, even if someone tries to leak it, there will be no traces...

(4) Wrong, in a Muslim burial, the whole body of the deceased is covered, so no problem faking it at all by burying any dead body of similar size.

(5) Good strawman argument you put! Pity you don't see the difference with the Moon landing theories: in this instance, the government has changed the account several times, and each of the accounts have too many illogical details to have any chance of being believable.

To put the records straight, I do believe that
-Americans landed on the moon;
-Kennedy was shot by Oswald, which was not ordered by CIA, although I consider the deaths of Oswald and Ruby largely unexplained...

Ask Tom Clancy, he wrote about it in his last book. Killed the man wit a massive heart attack and brought him back. Once was enough when you know there are not loads of virgins waiting for you.

I love how the pope is acting as though he is the reasonable one and going through AoN post and debating his points. And at the same time he believes in a conspiracy theory that he made up himself.
That region of the world and our military presence there has been the dominant news subject for the past 10 years. Everything that AoN said is true public knowledge. Every book and news article that I have read on the subject in that time has confirmed that.

I'm with AoN. And he didn't say that we did sit on the intel, just that it was within the realm of possibility. Closer at least, than the conspiracy hunch that Osama is alive for some reason. If we were following the couriers, we might have been suspicious that Osama was around there, but not certain enough to justify a raid. That could be a time to sit & watch.

Juan_Bottom wrote:I love how the pope is acting as though he is the reasonable one and going through AoN post and debating his points. And at the same time he believes in a conspiracy theory that he made up himself.
That region of the world and our military presence there has been the dominant news subject for the past 10 years. Everything that AoN said is true public knowledge. Every book and news article that I have read on the subject in that time has confirmed that.

I'm with AoN. And he didn't say that we did sit on the intel, just that it was within the realm of possibility. Closer at least, than the conspiracy hunch that Osama is alive for some reason. If we were following the couriers, we might have been suspicious that Osama was around there, but not certain enough to justify a raid. That could be a time to sit & watch.

Pope makes some sense though. too many contradictions were said in the first few days. Pakistan published photos of dead Bin Laden as something very normal, yet one day later, they remembered that the normal statements should be the rejection of USA army's violation of Pakistan's lands.

So then what is the acceptable number of contradictions in the early reports of any major event in history?

Keep in mind that with modern day technology and the speed of spreading information, it allows for more mistakes and misinformation to be spread when news first breaks versus the days when a scribe in a lonely castle wrote down some king's version of what happened.

I appreciate you answering this Pirlo, because your previous statement, that there are simply too many contradictions coming out of Pakistan suggests a threshold number of contradictions was reached.

Also, Pirlo, since according to you, Osama bin Laden is not dead, please explain why al Qaeda has confirmed his death.

http://articles.philly.com/2011-05-07/n ... t-websites

pretty sad when the prez can sit there and te american people bin laden is dead,so sad........But then again all goverment lies

pimpdave wrote:Also, Pirlo, since according to you, Osama bin Laden is not dead, please explain why al Qaeda has confirmed his death.

http://articles.philly.com/2011-05-07/n ... t-websites

I didn't say he's dead or not dead.. I didn't even give an opinion about his death.. well, I didn't give a shit about the dude in his life, would I do now. no I wouldn't. only americans are obsessed with him. 10 years of introducing the guy as a deadly dangerous devil, and when he was caught/killed he was sitting in his house with his family like any other guy. where are the caves and arsenals he got. I saw american people hysterically dancing in the streets when someone was killed. exactly like a barbarian ritual made by people who pretend they are civilized and "no violence" is their biggest bullshit. all they needed is some fire to dance around it. NO OFFENSE OF COURSE.

all I said, there were too many contradictions and that can affect the credibility of the story (or rather stories). and as Andrea the Charmer once said, "Truth is like the Sun. It has to come out someday.

I'm afraid Al-Qaida is a myth.

its not like terrorist lie or anything....just saying
though im firmly of the belief that he is dead

if he wasn't dead, don't you think he'd put out a video laughing in our faces?

I'd say either we have him, or he's dead..

Pirlo wrote:I'm afraid Al-Qaida is a myth.

Don't be ridiculous, that's like saying the Tea Party Death Squads are a myth!

pimpdave wrote:Also, Pirlo, since according to you, Osama bin Laden is not dead, please explain why al Qaeda has confirmed his death.

They should have consulted me first. All they know is that Osama has disappeared...

Actually Osama is probably dead by now, one week is a plenty of time for a good interrogation. I just wonder how much he said...

Tisha wrote:if he wasn't dead, don't you think he'd put out a video laughing in our faces?

I'd say either we have him, or he's dead..

No, the whole world knows that Obama took for a chat but I agree with your second statement...

Pirlo wrote:

pimpdave wrote:Also, Pirlo, since according to you, Osama bin Laden is not dead, please explain why al Qaeda has confirmed his death.

http://articles.philly.com/2011-05-07/n ... t-websites

I didn't say he's dead or not dead.. I didn't even give an opinion about his death.. well, I didn't give a shit about the dude in his life, would I do now. no I wouldn't. only americans are obsessed with him. 10 years of introducing the guy as a deadly dangerous devil, and when he was caught/killed he was sitting in his house with his family like any other guy. where are the caves and arsenals he got. I saw american people hysterically dancing in the streets when someone was killed. exactly like a barbarian ritual made by people who pretend they are civilized and "no violence" is their biggest bullshit. all they needed is some fire to dance around it. NO OFFENSE OF COURSE.

all I said, there were too many contradictions and that can affect the credibility of the story (or rather stories). and as Andrea the Charmer once said, "Truth is like the Sun. It has to come out someday.

I'm afraid Al-Qaida is a myth.

The only difference between the Arabs dancing in the streets on September 11 and 12, 2001 and the Americans dancing in the streets in 2011 is that the Arabs killed 3,000 terrorists and the Americans killed 1 terrorist. Right? Am I getting that right? I just want to make sure I understand your stance vis-a-vis violence Pirlo. Also, I want to make sure I understand that the Americans who died on September 11, 2001 were terrorists like Osama bin Laden and not innocent people going about their daily lives.

people dancing on the steet to anyone dying is ridiculous

lord voldemort wrote:people dancing on the steet to anyone dying is ridiculous

Unless you are a dogon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-ERp8Nz4e4

lord voldemort wrote:people dancing on the steet to anyone dying is ridiculous

Yeah that's totally weird! That never happens in New Orleans either!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt_pOf1QHDY


Oh wait.

thegreekdog wrote:

Pirlo wrote:

pimpdave wrote:Also, Pirlo, since according to you, Osama bin Laden is not dead, please explain why al Qaeda has confirmed his death.

http://articles.philly.com/2011-05-07/n ... t-websites

I didn't say he's dead or not dead.. I didn't even give an opinion about his death.. well, I didn't give a shit about the dude in his life, would I do now. no I wouldn't. only americans are obsessed with him. 10 years of introducing the guy as a deadly dangerous devil, and when he was caught/killed he was sitting in his house with his family like any other guy. where are the caves and arsenals he got. I saw american people hysterically dancing in the streets when someone was killed. exactly like a barbarian ritual made by people who pretend they are civilized and "no violence" is their biggest bullshit. all they needed is some fire to dance around it. NO OFFENSE OF COURSE.

all I said, there were too many contradictions and that can affect the credibility of the story (or rather stories). and as Andrea the Charmer once said, "Truth is like the Sun. It has to come out someday.

I'm afraid Al-Qaida is a myth.

The only difference between the Arabs dancing in the streets on September 11 and 12, 2001 and the Americans dancing in the streets in 2011 is that the Arabs killed 3,000 terrorists and the Americans killed 1 terrorist. Right? Am I getting that right? I just want to make sure I understand your stance vis-a-vis violence Pirlo. Also, I want to make sure I understand that the Americans who died on September 11, 2001 were terrorists like Osama bin Laden and not innocent people going about their daily lives.

first of all, no one danced on 11 September. not in my city or country at least. but even if some people did, I'm not defending them. treat me as an individual. you know that I don't give any shit about any nation or government stuff. my profile says that explicitly. as a humanist, I deal with you as a human. your race, color, faith, nationality.. etc don't matter for me.

I have no idea why you assume I consider the 3.000 victims were "terrorists". I also have no clue why you assume that I would agree with a terrorist like Ben Laden. 11 September was an international disaster, not an american one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Amman_bombings

do you see this link dude? click it. don't worry. this happened in my city, in 2005. it was a wedding of my relatives, and lost 9. I could also have been there, man. but I happened to dislike weddings and social occasions. does it tell you that the so called Al-Qaida is friendly for me? does it tell you that Al-Qaida cares about any religion? every innocent one can be a target of terrorism. the biggest problem with American people is that they cannot see anybody except themselves, any nation except their own.

the dude who planned for those attacks was called Abu Muab Al-Zarqawi. he believed in Al-Qaida as a good thing and started killing innocent people right and left. that's why he was killed few months later.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu-Musab al-Zarqawi

what do you know about terrorism and terrorists, my friend? I lived in this guy's neighbored for 10 years. and guess what, we attained the same school. but in different times of course because he was way too old for me. terrorists come to that neighbored and I saw them how they recruit and brainwash teenagers. all they need are ignorant kids. it is so easy to recruit an extremely poor and ignorant kid whose parents are jobless and probably alcoholic.

I just want to tell you that they are not secret people at all. I'm a very simple guy and I know a lot of potential terrorists and I know a lot of recruiters as well. do you think that police in my country is not aware of this crap? or do you think CIA doesn't know a shit about how those people work?

look at the dude's pic. did he look like a typical muslim extremist like those we see on TV episodes or Hollywood?

Pirlo wrote:no one danced on 11 September.

There was video provided from that day/night by news agencies throughout the world showing people dancing in the streets throughout the Middle East.

Pirlo wrote:I have no idea why you assume I consider the 3.000 victims were "terrorists".

I don't. I'm wondering, again, why it's so abominable that people in the United States are happy that the erstwhile leader of Al Qaeda was killed. I understand, generally, that we should not celebrate death. I do not celebrate Osama bin Laden's death. However, I have little problem with people celebrating the death of someone that killed so many Americans.

Pirlo wrote:the biggest problem with American people is that they cannot see anybody except themselves, any nation except their own.

The biggest problem with ALL people is that they cannot see anybody exccept themselves and any nation except their own. You just provided us with a link to a bombing in Jordan. If that is your "nation" or the place where you were located, would you not be concerned? Would you not want to see the person who orchestrated that bombing brought to justice? Would you not want your nation to go after the person responsible? Selfishness is not the hallmark of just Americans; it is the hallmark of most, if not all, people in all countries. It is a natural feeling to be more concerned with your own life than with others' lives, especially strangers.

Pirlo wrote:what do you know about terrorism and terrorists, my friend?

I know that terrorists killed a few of my friends on September 11th. A few of my friends have been to Afghanistan and Iraq to fight. I know that both my brother and I have been pulled aside at airports for "screening" as terrorists (presumably... they never told either of us why we were taken out of line). My brother was detained for nearly 24 hours. Apart from those things, I have no personal experience with terrorism, terrorists, or the fight against terror. Anything else I know I glean from the news.

I do not believe that the fight against terrorism, whether Muslim-related or not Muslim-related, is not complete with the killing of Osama bin Laden. However, I also do not believe Americans should be reviled or hated because they celebrated his death or because they care more about their own than they do about others.

thegreekdog wrote:

Pirlo wrote:no one danced on 11 September.

There was video provided from that day/night by news agencies throughout the world showing people dancing in the streets throughout the Middle East.

The cunt wastes of life were even dancing in the streets in Parsippany, New Jersey. The police dutifully stood by, guarding them from reprisal. One has to wonder if the same liberty would be afforded people in Pakistan or Afghanistan. Considering how they flip out over there over cartoons, I'm sure anyone celebrating the death of bin Laden in the streets would be torn to pieces and have their charred torsos dragged through the streets, as has been done to Americans in the past.

pimpdave wrote:Pakistan or Afghanistan. Considering how they flip out over there over cartoons, I'm sure anyone celebrating the death of bin Laden in the streets would be torn to pieces and have their charred torsos dragged through the streets, as has been done to Americans in the past.

You are prejudiced. Off course, you can celebrate the great man becoming a shaheed, can you not? Albeit, dancing would not be permitted, full stop...

PS Technically speaking, 4 people were killed in the raid, including a wife who was a human shield in version 1 and cooking bread-n-butter pudding dowstairs in version 2...

PPS Legally speaking, not everyone killed on 9/11 was a civilian. Everyone in the Pentagon was a fair target according to international law.

PPPS Why could not Osama and Obama Bush resolve it old fashioned ways, fighting on horses with huge swords? Why do they have to send proxies??

pimpdave wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

Pirlo wrote:no one danced on 11 September.

There was video provided from that day/night by news agencies throughout the world showing people dancing in the streets throughout the Middle East.

The cunt wastes of life were even dancing in the streets in Parsippany, New Jersey. The police dutifully stood by, guarding them from reprisal. One has to wonder if the same liberty would be afforded people in Pakistan or Afghanistan. Considering how they flip out over there over cartoons, I'm sure anyone celebrating the death of bin Laden in the streets would be torn to pieces and have their charred torsos dragged through the streets, as has been done to Americans in the past.

apparently, I'm blamed because some people in some places celebrated the death of other people in other place.

guys, do you think this convo makes sense?

Pirlo wrote:

pimpdave wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

Pirlo wrote:no one danced on 11 September.

There was video provided from that day/night by news agencies throughout the world showing people dancing in the streets throughout the Middle East.

The cunt wastes of life were even dancing in the streets in Parsippany, New Jersey. The police dutifully stood by, guarding them from reprisal. One has to wonder if the same liberty would be afforded people in Pakistan or Afghanistan. Considering how they flip out over there over cartoons, I'm sure anyone celebrating the death of bin Laden in the streets would be torn to pieces and have their charred torsos dragged through the streets, as has been done to Americans in the past.

apparently, I'm blamed because some people in some places celebrated the death of other people in other place.

guys, do you think this convo makes sense?

W8, he blames *** from Parsipanny, NJ. Unless, you are one of them, he does not blame you...

Pope Joan wrote:

Pirlo wrote:

pimpdave wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

Pirlo wrote:no one danced on 11 September.

There was video provided from that day/night by news agencies throughout the world showing people dancing in the streets throughout the Middle East.

The cunt wastes of life were even dancing in the streets in Parsippany, New Jersey. The police dutifully stood by, guarding them from reprisal. One has to wonder if the same liberty would be afforded people in Pakistan or Afghanistan. Considering how they flip out over there over cartoons, I'm sure anyone celebrating the death of bin Laden in the streets would be torn to pieces and have their charred torsos dragged through the streets, as has been done to Americans in the past.

apparently, I'm blamed because some people in some places celebrated the death of other people in other place.

guys, do you think this convo makes sense?

W8, he blames *** from Parsipanny, NJ. Unless, you are one of them, he does not blame you...

oh cool. I'm not blamed then.. I'd like to remind you that Ben Laden was an American product.. I suggest we blame uncle Sam.

Recent reports say Bin Laden died of lead poison
and now sleeps with the fishes.