Conquer Club

Posted: **Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:25 pm**

Titanic wrote:
AAFitz wrote:
Titanic wrote:Your not going to vote him cus hes Muslim? How fcking racist are you?

(By you, I mean America generally)

no one thought Kennedy would win because he was a catholic...

Kennedy was a really good politician though, shame he was assasinated, he could have made your country so much better than it is now.

Agreed. Bobby Kenndey was even better - pity he got wacked too.

Posted: **Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:39 pm**

Serbia wrote:Now come on VT, you know there's a difference between Islamic militants and Muslims in general. Also, do you listen to Rush? I would not call it a "blind faith support" in this war. He happens to agree with the war, and supports the presidents position on it.

I know the difference, but from listening to him it's pretty clear that he doesn't care about the difference. And if you re-read my post I said his blind faith support of the president in a time of war, not the war itself.

But back to your what may be your main point, watching someone's head explode on live tv, while disturbing... you just know everyone is going to try to get the footage of that, just to see it once...

It's grisly, but at the same time it's kinda beautiful. Like watching a bullet shoot through a delicate vase full of water in super slo-mo.

Posted: **Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:44 pm**

vtmarik wrote:
Serbia wrote:Now come on VT, you know there's a difference between Islamic militants and Muslims in general. Also, do you listen to Rush? I would not call it a "blind faith support" in this war. He happens to agree with the war, and supports the presidents position on it.

I know the difference, but from listening to him it's pretty clear that he doesn't care about the difference. And if you re-read my post I said his blind faith support of the president in a time of war, not the war itself.

Ok, right, you did say in a time of war. I still can't say from listening to Rush, I get that from him. But I won't agrue that point, that others can see it that way.

Nor do I agree that Rush doesn't care about the difference between militants and your average Muslim, I've never heard him go on a tirade against Muslims as a whole, only Islamo-Fascists.

Posted: **Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:49 pm**

Well, maybe I give too little credit, maybe Rush isn't a completely blind moron anymore...

Posted: **Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:52 pm**

Jamie wrote:What will hurt him SUBCONSCIENSLY in the eyes of the public are that his middle name is HUSSEIN, and his last name rhymes with OSAMA. Not a goot time to have names that even remotley sound like those two guys.

I said this four months ago and was mocked.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... ama#135926

The red states will never vote for Obama, even if he was a chaste white conservative preacher with a 4.0 gpa and perfect credit. :lol:

Even though he would make an excellent president, sadly the ignorant rednecks will never get past the name.

Posted: **Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:08 pm**

vtmarik wrote:Well, maybe I give too little credit, maybe Rush isn't a completely blind moron anymore...

Oh he's still a moron...as are most drug addicts. And quite the hypocrit.

Rush Limbaugh wrote:Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. ... And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up.

Of course, you remember that just last April he finally bought his way out of a doctor shopping conviction for $30,000. Under the terms of his plea agreement he is still not allowed to own a firearm and must submit to random drug testing to make sure he isn't back snorting the Oxycontin he had been buying from his housekeepers dealer connections.

Add to this three failed marriages...and we have a fine man to take political & moral guidance from. :roll:

Posted: **Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:09 pm**

I would like to see a black president

Posted: **Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:29 pm**

Titanic wrote:Also, is protestant to catholic (or which ever are the major Christian sects within USA) a big deal there? In Europe it is, but I've only heard of a few occasions where its been racism within Christianity in USA. Normally you unite against other people.

To put it this way, the Bush administration in '04 sent flyers and pamphlets to the midwestern areas with the phrase "John Kerry wants to outlaw the bible" (or along those lines). Hmm...

Posted: **Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:50 pm**

Sammy gags wrote:I would like to see a black president

So would I. Might actually have a president who would divert all this wasted war money to helping clean up the ghettos around the US, not to mention a black president might even help ease some of the racial tension that still clouds American culture, despite slavery's end 136 years ago.

Posted: **Fri Feb 16, 2007 5:22 pm**

One thing you need to do is outlaw guns. Do that and in about 20 years your streets will be MUCH safer.

Posted: **Fri Feb 16, 2007 5:40 pm**

Titanic wrote:One thing you need to do is outlaw guns. Do that and in about 20 years your streets will be MUCH safer.

It is funny people say this, but all the statistics from all the countries and cities that try it prove it is false!!

But people will keep saying it because they do not realize taking guns away from law abiding citizens doesn't do any good in stopping the criminals.

Posted: **Fri Feb 16, 2007 5:40 pm**

Backglass wrote:
vtmarik wrote:Well, maybe I give too little credit, maybe Rush isn't a completely blind moron anymore...

Oh he's still a moron...as are most drug addicts. And quite the hypocrit.

Rush Limbaugh wrote:Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. ... And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up.

Of course, you remember that just last April he finally bought his way out of a doctor shopping conviction for $30,000. Under the terms of his plea agreement he is still not allowed to own a firearm and must submit to random drug testing to make sure he isn't back snorting the Oxycontin he had been buying from his housekeepers dealer connections.

Add to this three failed marriages...and we have a fine man to take political & moral guidance from.

Oh please... let's not make this a thread about Rush, eh?

Posted: **Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:12 pm**

Jamie wrote:If the picture I saw of him with his parents in Newsweek magazine is accurate, then his mom is white, and his dad is a Kenyan, and VERY black, almost true black. I don't know if he's adopted, but the caption said they were his parents. The article said nothing about an Adoption. I like Obama, but he has two problems with gettingelected by the US public. Neither are his race. In fact that might help him. What will hurt him SUBCONSCIENSLY in the eyes of the public are that his middle name is HUSSEIN, and his last name rhymes with OSAMA. Not a goot time to have names that even remotley sound like those two guys.

Those are his real parents and that is why they are saying he isnt black enough

Posted: **Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:14 pm**

viking thunder wrote:
Titanic wrote:One thing you need to do is outlaw guns. Do that and in about 20 years your streets will be MUCH safer.

It is funny people say this, but all the statistics from all the countries and cities that try it prove it is false!!

But people will keep saying it because they do not realize taking guns away from law abiding citizens doesn't do any good in stopping the criminals.

Im not saying you just take them of law abiding citizens. You declare them illegal, have an amnesty for about 3/6 months, and then crackdown really hard. Drugs, and a lot of crime is gun related. Remove the guns, crime will go down, especially gang wars.

Posted: **Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:21 pm**

Titanic wrote:
viking thunder wrote:
Titanic wrote:One thing you need to do is outlaw guns. Do that and in about 20 years your streets will be MUCH safer.

It is funny people say this, but all the statistics from all the countries and cities that try it prove it is false!!

But people will keep saying it because they do not realize taking guns away from law abiding citizens doesn't do any good in stopping the criminals.

Im not saying you just take them of law abiding citizens. You declare them illegal, have an amnesty for about 3/6 months, and then crackdown really hard. Drugs, and a lot of crime is gun related. Remove the guns, crime will go down, especially gang wars.

Thats a load of B.S. The same arguments were used for banning alchohol in the U.S. for a while, and look how that turned out

Posted: **Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:25 pm**

DIRESTRAITS wrote:Thats a load of B.S. The same arguments were used for banning alchohol in the U.S. for a while, and look how that turned out

No, I think the analogy to the prohibition of alcohol would be the prohibition of drugs, not the prohibition of guns. You have it upside down, I think...

Posted: **Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:49 pm**

Titanic wrote:
dcowboys055 wrote:
Titanic wrote:Your not going to vote him cus hes Muslim? How fcking racist are you?

(By you, I mean America generally)

america generally? shut the f*ck up we dont all agree with one person's post or opinions retard

I never said you did.... "America generally" means the majority of Americans, and you cannot deny that there is an underlying racism in American people and culture, especially in the South.

there's racists in every country....

Posted: **Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:25 pm**

Titanic wrote:
viking thunder wrote:
Titanic wrote:One thing you need to do is outlaw guns. Do that and in about 20 years your streets will be MUCH safer.

It is funny people say this, but all the statistics from all the countries and cities that try it prove it is false!!

But people will keep saying it because they do not realize taking guns away from law abiding citizens doesn't do any good in stopping the criminals.

Im not saying you just take them of law abiding citizens. You declare them illegal, have an amnesty for about 3/6 months, and then crackdown really hard. Drugs, and a lot of crime is gun related. Remove the guns, crime will go down, especially gang wars.

Exactly. You won't stop all types of crime - but you will reduce the amount of deaths due to violent crime. "Homicides of teens and young adults are more likely to be committed with a gun than homicides of persons of other ages" from U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs,
Bureau of Justice Statistics. I believe this is due to the gang culture and machismo that leads to a gun culture where guns are routinely carried by young people as a status symbol. I understand it is hard to stop organised crime getting hold of anything they want - but a 16 year old taking a gun to school can easily be stopped by banning them.

There is absolutely no reason why someone should be allowed a hand gun. There is no purpose for it apart from the intention to kill someone.
I accept that you have a culture of hunting in the states so perhaps you have an excuse for rifles/shotguns.
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Posted: **Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:40 pm**

flashleg8 wrote:[
a 16 year old taking a gun to school can easily be stopped by banning them.

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Guns are banned for people under the age of 18. Guns wouldn't be that hard to get ahold of(just look at weed), and I dont think someone who is going to commit a violent crime is really going to balk at the notion of picking up a gun on the Black Market

Posted: **Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:03 pm**

DIRESTRAITS wrote:
flashleg8 wrote:[
a 16 year old taking a gun to school can easily be stopped by banning them.

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Guns are banned for people under the age of 18. Guns wouldn't be that hard to get ahold of(just look at weed), and I dont think someone who is going to commit a violent crime is really going to balk at the notion of picking up a gun on the Black Market

If the USA banned all hand guns, stopped making them, took them off the shelves, forced people to return them, put harsh penalties in place (ie 5 years minimum jail term if caught with one), it would be much harder to get a gun.
I'll reiterate my point that this wouldn't necessarily stop organised criminals from getting one on the black market - but could a teenager really get one? There's a far cry from buying a bit of weed, and if you get caught get a fine at best, to getting a mandatory jail sentence. I believe this would stop all but the hardened criminals from using guns.

Posted: **Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:17 pm**

2, The Ranting Gryphon wrote:Take away the guns and people will stab each other. Take away the knives and people will throw drano on each other. Take away the drano and people will beat each other with 18-inch dildos!

And who needs a weapon? What do you think Kung Fu is? What were a bunch of old chinese monks doing besides trying to figure out how to bounce a guy's head off the ground with enough force to kill him?

"Well, guns make killing easier." So does a Lincoln Town Car! A metal grill doesn't do much damage but if you stick a V8 behind it you can make a family of four eat 120MPH screaming death in less time than it takes to scratch your ass twice. You pick up a dozen things every day that makes killing easier.

When will you people realize that if you want stop the killing you have to stop the hate? Take all of that anti-gun money and put it into anti-violence instead.

Posted: **Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:49 pm**

vtmarik wrote:
2, The Ranting Gryphon wrote:Take away the guns and people will stab each other. Take away the knives and people will throw drano on each other. Take away the drano and people will beat each other with 18-inch dildos!

And who needs a weapon? What do you think Kung Fu is? What were a bunch of old chinese monks doing besides trying to figure out how to bounce a guy's head off the ground with enough force to kill him?

"Well, guns make killing easier." So does a Lincoln Town Car! A metal grill doesn't do much damage but if you stick a V8 behind it you can make a family of four eat 120MPH screaming death in less time than it takes to scratch your ass twice. You pick up a dozen things every day that makes killing easier.

When will you people realize that if you want stop the killing you have to stop the hate? Take all of that anti-gun money and put it into anti-violence instead.

I don't doubt if you take away guns - people will continue to find other ways to hard each other. If some one is determined to kill another peoson of course there are hundreds of ways to do it. But to allow people to routinely hold and carry a weapon whos sole purpose is to kill another human is madness! There's a big difference to people carrying a blade to people carrying a gun.

See http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/ZimringReduceKillings.htm
Is Gun Control Likely To Reduce Violent Killings?
Frank Zimring, University of Chicago Law Review

"Chicago police records include data which permit useful comparison between serious knife and gun attacks and between knife and gun killings. (See Table 6.) For 1967, these data show:

2.3 times as many serious knife attacks were reported to the police as gun attacks.

Knives accounted for less than half the number of homicides that guns did.

The rate of knife deaths per 100 reported knife attacks was less than 1/5 the rate of gun deaths per 100 reported gun attacks.

These figures support the inference that if knives were substituted for guns, the homicide rate would drop significantly."

Also from other reasearch:
"Guns can be as much as four times as lethal as knives. Of course, part of this difference could be due to the intent of the attacker, that is, knife wound mortality could be low because many attackers deliberately inflict superficial wounds. So we should also compare mortality for multiple penetrating wounds to the torso, which would seem to indicate some serious attempt to kill. For these sorts of wounds guns are still 3-5 times as lethal. Finally we can check with mortality rates for wounds to the same body structure (e.g penetrating heart wounds). We see the same pattern once again."

Posted: **Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:07 pm**

Do you want to know why there are more gun murders than knife murders? There are guns available.

You cannot stop crime by banning guns. If you make it illegal to have, own, hold, or even look at a gun in a shop, all you'll succeed in doing is further overcrowding the prison system. When you make more things into crimes, all you do is increase crime rates. Besides, what do criminals care about the laws? If a felon wants a gun, what else does he have to lose?

On another note: You know what else makes killing easier? Depth perception! Maybe if we poke everyone's left eye out at birth then crime will go down!

Posted: **Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:32 pm**

Go post a gun control topic this is about Barack Obama not gun control

Posted: **Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:34 pm**

boogiesadda wrote:Go post a gun control topic this is about Barack Obama not gun control

It's called threadjacking, it happens a lot here, sorry for the convenience