Conquer Club

Serbia wrote:

Woodruff wrote:

strike wolf wrote:Biggest mistake of draft...Tebow taken in first round ahead of Colt McCoy and Jimmy Clausen by a team that really needs a legitimate qb not a risky pick like Tebow.

There is risk with Tebow, no doubt. But I'll tell you what...this true-blue Gator-hater thinks Tebow may well be the best leader I've seen come out of college football in about 20 years.

Is it possible to be a leader who isn't good at what he's supposed to do? Brady, Manning, Brees, they're all great leaders in part because they earn the respect of their teammates by being awesome. If you suck in the pocket, they're going to stop listening to you, no matter how great a man you are. And who needs a backup QB to be a 'leader'? Nobody wants to listen to him, he can't even earn playing time!

I agree with Serbia. If Tebow doesn't have a starting role no one's going to listen to him.

I wonder with McCoy not trying to play after he got hurt in the championship game that his draft value went down. Also Clausen did an interview where he blamed his wide receiver for not running the right route. That may be leadership issues that teams stayed away from them. At least Jimmy has Erin Andrews hanging around his pad for another day. lol

Denver

But i am happy with what the packers got....Still going to own the NFC North.....no matter who the vikes get

Serbia wrote:

Woodruff wrote:

strike wolf wrote:Biggest mistake of draft...Tebow taken in first round ahead of Colt McCoy and Jimmy Clausen by a team that really needs a legitimate qb not a risky pick like Tebow.

There is risk with Tebow, no doubt. But I'll tell you what...this true-blue Gator-hater thinks Tebow may well be the best leader I've seen come out of college football in about 20 years.

Is it possible to be a leader who isn't good at what he's supposed to do? Brady, Manning, Brees, they're all great leaders in part because they earn the respect of their teammates by being awesome. If you suck in the pocket, they're going to stop listening to you, no matter how great a man you are. And who needs a backup QB to be a 'leader'? Nobody wants to listen to him, he can't even earn playing time!

I don't disagree with that at all. My point is that this minimizes the risk some because of the much greater potential for reward if he is successful.

From what I understand, he is eminently coachable, as well...which leads me to believe his "technique difficulties" will be overcome.

I don't understand why his technique is poor. If his throws are accurate (and they seem to be accurate), why does it matter how he throws the ball? Yeah, I understand the whole "has to throw over the linemen thing," but it seems to me that the guy's throwing motion shouldn't be an issue. I still don't think he'll be a great NFL QB; serviceable on a run+defense team probably, but not a great NFL QB.

Sports Science looks into Tebow's new throwing motion: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5118225&categoryid=2378529

karel wrote:Denver

But i am happy with what the packers got....Still going to own the NFC North.....no matter who the vikes get

Ha, fooled you. We traded our number 1.

Looking further into it, the move to get Tebow makes a bit more sense now but I still think it was a mistake.

strike wolf wrote:Looking further into it, the move to get Tebow makes a bit more sense now but I still think it was a mistake.

I don't think you can overrate having Jesus on your side. Because, you know Tim Tebow is the only practicing Christian in football. At least that's what I seem to hear.

spurgistan wrote:

strike wolf wrote:Looking further into it, the move to get Tebow makes a bit more sense now but I still think it was a mistake.

I don't think you can overrate having Jesus on your side. Because, you know Tim Tebow is the only practicing Christian in football. At least that's what I seem to hear.

Much as I like Tebow (against my more rational anti-Gator side), I will agree this does get grating. I like that he's so passionate about his religion and wants everyone to know it, but good Lord, we KNOW now...

spurgistan wrote:

strike wolf wrote:Looking further into it, the move to get Tebow makes a bit more sense now but I still think it was a mistake.

I don't think you can overrate having Jesus on your side. Because, you know Tim Tebow is the only practicing Christian in football. At least that's what I seem to hear.

Wait football? I thought he was the only christian in America.

Clausen to the Raiders maybe?

Clausen to Carolina makes sense. And I think that Cleveland did much better than Denver in waiting to Round 3 and taking McCoy at value, than Denver reaching and taking Tebow in the 1st.

strike wolf wrote:

spurgistan wrote:

strike wolf wrote:Looking further into it, the move to get Tebow makes a bit more sense now but I still think it was a mistake.

I don't think you can overrate having Jesus on your side. Because, you know Tim Tebow is the only practicing Christian in football. At least that's what I seem to hear.

Wait football? I thought he was the only christian in America.

No, you're confusing him with Woody.

jay_a2j wrote:

strike wolf wrote:

spurgistan wrote:

strike wolf wrote:Looking further into it, the move to get Tebow makes a bit more sense now but I still think it was a mistake.

I don't think you can overrate having Jesus on your side. Because, you know Tim Tebow is the only practicing Christian in football. At least that's what I seem to hear.

Wait football? I thought he was the only christian in America.

No, you're confusing him with Woody.

If he's confusing a Christian with Woody, he really IS confused. Almost as confused as if he were confusing a Christian with yourself.

I love watching NFL. But all this excitement over the draft, which gets bigger every year, is kind of ridiculous! You just never know which players are going to be a bust and which are going to be superstars, regardless of their college career. I just don't understand how you can get excited over a college kid who hasn't accomplished anything yet. This draft excitement has gotten out of hand and is more pathetic than fantasy football! There is such thing as too much enthusiasm for professional sports!

Kid_A wrote:I love watching NFL. But all this excitement over the draft, which gets bigger every year, is kind of ridiculous! You just never know which players are going to be a bust and which are going to be superstars, regardless of their college career. I just don't understand how you can get excited over a college kid who hasn't accomplished anything yet. This draft excitement has gotten out of hand and is more pathetic than fantasy football! There is such thing as too much enthusiasm for professional sports!

For a lot of teams, like the Lions, the Rams, and the Raiders, the draft represents a potentially bright future. I can understand why it would be huge for them, although I admit that for teams with an already strong lineup the draft isn't a momentous event.

Frigidus wrote:

Kid_A wrote:I love watching NFL. But all this excitement over the draft, which gets bigger every year, is kind of ridiculous! You just never know which players are going to be a bust and which are going to be superstars, regardless of their college career. I just don't understand how you can get excited over a college kid who hasn't accomplished anything yet. This draft excitement has gotten out of hand and is more pathetic than fantasy football! There is such thing as too much enthusiasm for professional sports!

For a lot of teams, like the Lions, the Rams, and the Raiders, the draft represents a potentially bright future. I can understand why it would be huge for them, although I admit that for teams with an already strong lineup the draft isn't a momentous event.

I'm not talking about the teams. I'm talking about fans. Grown men who get too excited about college kids signing 50 million dollar contracts and who wearing replica jerseys of another man who plays for their favorite sports team.

... Suh got screwed.

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Personally i think Suh will be a beast no matter where he goes. I've seen a few of the Nebraska games he was in and the guy can flat out play football. I think you are going to see a huge improvement on the Lions D just adding him.

strike wolf wrote:Personally i think Suh will be a beast no matter where he goes. I've seen a few of the Nebraska games he was in and the guy can flat out play football. I think you are going to see a huge improvement on the Lions D just adding him.

... Of course I agree, but... it had to be a bit of a letdown for him.

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I don't know...hard to be letdown when you are picked SECOND in the draft and for a team that unlike the 1st pick I think has a good chance to be much improved over the previous year.

Nobunaga wrote:

strike wolf wrote:Personally i think Suh will be a beast no matter where he goes. I've seen a few of the Nebraska games he was in and the guy can flat out play football. I think you are going to see a huge improvement on the Lions D just adding him.

... Of course I agree, but... it had to be a bit of a letdown for him.

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I think the Lions actually have a sense of direction now. Give them 2 years, and they'll be in contention for the playoffs.

ugh pats do their usual get more picks for next year,but they got a lot of good players this year also