Conquer Club

What is that list supposed to prove exactly? I have no idea what you're trying to prove.

BigBallinStalin wrote:

rockfist wrote:He is a fraud and an extreme leftist. All his talk of bi-partisanship was a joke. He is in way over his head and I personally know dozens of people who are far more qualified to be President than he is and thousands of people who are smarter than he is. He is a waste of carbon emissions. This guy couldn't balance his checkbook if you gave it to him in spreadsheet form and all he had to do was enter the numbers in the right box. Please understand I mean this in the kindest possible way.

What's with your constant "Extreme Leftist" rhetoric?

I have a distrust of government and a hatred of taxes. I believe people should take care of themselves and that government should only provide for security, defense, and a basic infrastructure for commerce. There should be no transfer payment programs. The best government is a necessary evil anything less than the best is just evil.

rockfist wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:

rockfist wrote:He is a fraud and an extreme leftist. All his talk of bi-partisanship was a joke. He is in way over his head and I personally know dozens of people who are far more qualified to be President than he is and thousands of people who are smarter than he is. He is a waste of carbon emissions. This guy couldn't balance his checkbook if you gave it to him in spreadsheet form and all he had to do was enter the numbers in the right box. Please understand I mean this in the kindest possible way.

What's with your constant "Extreme Leftist" rhetoric?

I have a distrust of government and a hatred of taxes. I believe people should take care of themselves and that government should only provide for security, defense, and a basic infrastructure for commerce. There should be no transfer payment programs. The best government is a necessary evil anything less than the best is just evil.

This is extremely relevant to Obama's position on the ideological scale.

He told too many lies during the campaign for me to give him the benefit of the doubt. But I did try.

rockfist wrote:I do know thousands of people. They aren't all my best friends and most I don't know very well but I know enough about them to know they are smarter than that guy.

I'm sure what he has done is not extreme leftist by European standards, but everything he has done is far left by American standards, not centrist. Its like turning a ship, he has cranked the wheel hard left. It will take some time for the ship to get turned all the way left but that's where its going if we don't pull hard right (straightening will not work because its already turned some degrees left and will continue on that vector if we straighten).

I lol. So he's a pirate?

rockfist wrote:I do know thousands of people. They aren't all my best friends and most I don't know very well but I know enough about them to know they are smarter than that guy.

I'm sure what he has done is not extreme leftist by European standards, but everything he has done is far left by American standards, not centrist. Its like turning a ship, he has cranked the wheel hard left. It will take some time for the ship to get turned all the way left but that's where its going if we don't pull hard right (straightening will not work because its already turned some degrees left and will continue on that vector if we straighten).

Ok, so the definition of 'Left Wing' changes depending on what continent you are on?

There is no way in hell that the US would ever elect anything that is even slightly left wing - He may be further left than you want, but he is still on the right hand side of the ledger -

If the mention of ship gets you to think of a pirate then I guess

Titanic wrote:What is that list supposed to prove exactly? I have no idea what you're trying to prove.

It means we all know of thousands of people who could do a better job than Obama.

It's hard to compare political stances between countries, because each is in their own unique economic/political situation...

john9blue wrote:It's hard to compare political stances between countries, because each is in their own unique economic/political situation...

NAH AHH!

You're a communist double-winged capitalist, you--you--you... No more LIES! NO MORE LIES!!!

He's okay... in terms of grades I would give him (for stuff I'm concerned about)...

- Economy - C- (his job creation bills didn't work... but, as the economy improves naturally, he'll take credit presumably)

- National security - C- (Christmas bomber, his Homeland director saying she was most concerned about white soldiers returning home and joining hate groups; but, no big attacks)

- Healthcare - B (He's not doing what he originally wanted to do, which is good by me)

- Taxes - A (He hasn't tried to raise them yet)

- Privacy - F (He hasn't reversed Bush's ridiculous anti-privacy laws)

- Gay marriage - F (He hasn't pushed for gay marriage discussions)

- Immigration - B+ (He's getting there)

I think it's still too hard to tell how he's doing. I might be one of those people that has to wait until after the president has completed his run before making a decision.

I voted keep him in office forever, obv. Gummint is teh win.

This made me lol the other day.

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colber ... -two-faced

I think he's a slimey sellout classic politician, which isn't surprising, but it is disappointing. That and/or he's really naive and spineless, which is what I'm hoping for, because he can learn, improve, but its difficult with all the rats around him. What is it they say about you becoming like who you associate with..

Who knows, with these politicians its all just a game.

thegreekdog wrote:He's okay... in terms of grades I would give him (for stuff I'm concerned about)...

- Economy - C- (his job creation bills didn't work... but, as the economy improves naturally, he'll take credit presumably)

- National security - C- (Christmas bomber, his Homeland director saying she was most concerned about white soldiers returning home and joining hate groups; but, no big attacks)

- Healthcare - B (He's not doing what he originally wanted to do, which is good by me)

- Taxes - A (He hasn't tried to raise them yet)

- Privacy - F (He hasn't reversed Bush's ridiculous anti-privacy laws)

- Gay marriage - F (He hasn't pushed for gay marriage discussions)

- Immigration - B+ (He's getting there)

I think it's still too hard to tell how he's doing. I might be one of those people that has to wait until after the president has completed his run before making a decision.

Thats really annoyed me as well, although he is supposed to be mentioning Dont Ask Dont Tell tonight and trying to get it repealed before the midterms.

Aradhus wrote:I think he's a slimey sellout classic politician, which isn't surprising, but it is disappointing. That and/or he's really naive and spineless, which is what I'm hoping for, because he can learn, improve, but its difficult with all the rats around him. What is it they say about you becoming like who you associate with..

Who knows, with these politicians its all just a game.

So true, he does have so many corporate whores around him, but at least hes pushing them to the side on the Wall Street mess now (Bernanke, Geithner and co). Honestly, I think hes just being there stooge for the first term whilst he tries to get the money and lobbyists out of congress (which he had been doing slowly until the supreme court case last week), and will take a tougher stance in the second term when he has nothing to lose in respect to funding.

thegreekdog wrote:He's okay... in terms of grades I would give him (for stuff I'm concerned about)...

- Economy - C- (his job creation bills didn't work... but, as the economy improves naturally, he'll take credit presumably)

- National security - C- (Christmas bomber, his Homeland director saying she was most concerned about white soldiers returning home and joining hate groups; but, no big attacks)

- Healthcare - B (He's not doing what he originally wanted to do, which is good by me)

- Taxes - A (He hasn't tried to raise them yet)

- Privacy - F (He hasn't reversed Bush's ridiculous anti-privacy laws)

- Gay marriage - F (He hasn't pushed for gay marriage discussions)

- Immigration - B+ (He's getting there)

I think it's still too hard to tell how he's doing. I might be one of those people that has to wait until after the president has completed his run before making a decision.

My grades:


Economy- D and Bush would get the same score. As if spending your way out of debt is logical? I don't think the economy will get better but worse.

National Security- D Christmas bomber, troops still where he said "they would not be" and pushed back withdrawal dates. Protect the homeland Mr. President let other countries provide their own security. I think this will be an F- before 2010 is over (look for more attacks) and his anti-Israel stance really doesn't impress me.

Health care- F What he wants to do, hell no. I still have hope he will be stopped completely. Free market works.... stay out of our health care Mr. President!

Taxes-C To date he hasn't raised them but I think it's coming. And what is this I'm hearing of a 55% Estate tax starting in 2011????? How do you feel knowing that the government will get more from you than your kids/spouse when you die?

Privacy-C This has been eroding for years and it's getting worse. But I expect this from Big Brother.

Gay marriage-C Don't care. Moving on....

Immigration-C I don't expect him to do anything. It would get in the way of the New World Order. A borderless society is what they aim for and no doubt they will get it.

jay_a2j wrote: Free market works.... stay out of our health care Mr. President!

Aradhus wrote:I think he's a slimey sellout classic politician, which isn't surprising, but it is disappointing. That and/or he's really naive and spineless, which is what I'm hoping for, because he can learn, improve, but its difficult with all the rats around him. What is it they say about you becoming like who you associate with..

Who knows, with these politicians its all just a game.

I agree with this, except that I think aradhus is being a little too optimistic. Honestly, I think President Obama lacked a lot of "institutional experience" (for lack of a better term), which served him well in the election process. I'm not sure if that has served him well as a president, although it's helped him to think about things a little differently, and has made him at least come across as more likeable than the other Democratic leaders.

jay_a2j wrote:My grades:


Economy- D and Bush would get the same score. As if spending your way out of debt is logical? I don't think the economy will get better but worse.

WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THIS. f*ck.

Skittles! wrote:

jay_a2j wrote:My grades:


Economy- D and Bush would get the same score. As if spending your way out of debt is logical? I don't think the economy will get better but worse.

WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THIS. f*ck.

Seriously, I laughed out loud!

Titanic wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:- Gay marriage - F (He hasn't pushed for gay marriage discussions)

Thats really annoyed me as well, although he is supposed to be mentioning Dont Ask Dont Tell tonight and trying to get it repealed before the midterms.

Much as the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy sucks ass...if he DOES get it repealed, he better have a replacement for it (preferably the ability for the services to actually recruit openly-homosexual individuals). If he doesn't have a replacement for it, that will be a very bad thing.

thegreekdog wrote:

Skittles! wrote:

jay_a2j wrote:My grades:


Economy- D and Bush would get the same score. As if spending your way out of debt is logical? I don't think the economy will get better but worse.

WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THIS. f*ck.

Seriously, I laughed out loud!

I don't know if that is a good thing or a bad thing

Skittles! wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

Skittles! wrote:

jay_a2j wrote:My grades:


Economy- D and Bush would get the same score. As if spending your way out of debt is logical? I don't think the economy will get better but worse.

WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THIS. f*ck.

Seriously, I laughed out loud!

I don't know if that is a good thing or a bad thing

Your reaction was funny is all... and I have a new signature.

Woodruff wrote:

Titanic wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:- Gay marriage - F (He hasn't pushed for gay marriage discussions)

Thats really annoyed me as well, although he is supposed to be mentioning Dont Ask Dont Tell tonight and trying to get it repealed before the midterms.

Much as the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy sucks ass...if he DOES get it repealed, he better have a replacement for it (preferably the ability for the services to actually recruit openly-homosexual individuals). If he doesn't have a replacement for it, that will be a very bad thing.

Well yeah I think everyone here (except for Hapsmo) thinks the military should get openly gay personel.

Snorri1234 wrote:

Woodruff wrote:

Titanic wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:- Gay marriage - F (He hasn't pushed for gay marriage discussions)

Thats really annoyed me as well, although he is supposed to be mentioning Dont Ask Dont Tell tonight and trying to get it repealed before the midterms.

Much as the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy sucks ass...if he DOES get it repealed, he better have a replacement for it (preferably the ability for the services to actually recruit openly-homosexual individuals). If he doesn't have a replacement for it, that will be a very bad thing.

Well yeah I think everyone here (except for Hapsmo) thinks the military should get openly gay personel.

My worry isn't that so much as having NO policy. The beatings will commence. I wish I weren't serious.