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Re: Obama And The Nobel Peace Prize
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:51 pm
by Neoteny
CreepersWiener wrote:Neoteny wrote:I support giving Lennon a peace prize, but the rules are against giving it posthumously. Jesus can't get one either for that reason.
Yes, but Jesus didn't really die...in theory. Maybe if someone gave the guy an award he would finally show back up?
You know, if he shows up, I'll support giving him one. Until then, I'm going to continue thinking you're a lunatic.
Re: Obama And The Nobel Peace Prize
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:11 pm
by Titanic
Greek, how can you say that about GWB? He's one of the worst presidents in history, you should follow the Chilcot inquiry as its been clear for a while, and on the record now, that Bush and his administration wanted war with Iraq from the day he stepped into office. Also Bush was awful in foreign relations, dividing the world with the Iraq war, created the "Axis of Evil", antagonising Russia with missile defence, spreading terrorism throughout the world (Bush was the best recruitment tool Al-Qaeda had), having the attitude of a stereotypical cowboy, "you are with us or against us", alienating key allies etc... Its was a Dummy's guide in how not to conduct diplomacy.
Didn't Yasser Arafat get on jointly with Peres and whoever the Israeili President at the time was after signing the Oslo Accords? Being the first to come forward to the table and sign a peace agreement and "roadmap for peace" between Palestine and Israel was pretty groundbreaking, and if things turned out differently we would be praising the decision as a truly deserving one. Also you want a controversial handout, look at Henry Kissenger, why the fck does he have one?!? The reasons behind the IPCC and Al Gore receiveing there ones was put very clearly and makes a lot of sense; by raising awareness of climate change and attemping to tackle it they are saving tens of millions of lives which would have been lost to extreme weather, wars, mass movements of people etc...
under GW, we never experienced another terrorist attack.
Funny how right-wingers seems to flash over the first terrorist attack when judging his legacy, never mind the fact that he and his administration were told many times explicitly from a huge array of sources that they were going to be attacked by Al-Qaeda using aeroplanes as missiles....Talk about gross negligence.
Re: Obama And The Nobel Peace Prize
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:28 pm
by thegreekdog
I'm saying that 6 months into his presidency, was President Bush a warmongering psychopath? There answer is no.
I'm saying that 6 months into his presidency, was President Bush prosecuting any wars? The answer is no.
I'm saying that 6 months into his presidency, President Obama was prosecuting two wars (albeit inherited) and he recently re-committed to the war in Afghanistan.
And yet, AND YET, President Obama is more deserving of the Nobel PEACE(!) Prize 6 months into his presidency than President Bush was. Why? All that stuff you mention in your lengthy first paragraph was done after President Bush was in office for over 6 months.
In sum, I'm not arguing that President Bush should have won the Nobel Peace Prize. I'm saying it's ridiculous that President Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize.
Also, I do not think President Bush is one of the worst presidents in history.
Finally, no conspiracy theories please. These are ridiculous and the worst sorts of tripe.
Re: Obama And The Nobel Peace Prize
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:34 pm
by Titanic
Conspiracy theories? The fact that the Bush administration did not focus enough of their attention on the immediate threat of an Al-Qaeda attack is not a conspiracy, its a fact with enough evidence backing it up. If you want proof from a large variety of sources I'm happy to give them to you.
Also Bush was warmongering from the beginning of his presidency, he wanted to invade Iraq and was trying to find ways to do it for a long time. 9/11 gave him the perfect excuse, why do you think his administration milked the fake 9/11, Al-Qaeda and Saddam link as much as they possibly could?
Finally, please reread the text that the committee published when they awarded him the prize. its not about Iraq, Afghanistan or ending wars. Its about international diplomacy, nuclear disarnment and "global harmony".
Re: Obama And The Nobel Peace Prize
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:56 pm
by luns101
Re: Obama And The Nobel Peace Prize
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 8:34 am
by thegreekdog
Titanic wrote:Conspiracy theories?
Yes, conspiracy theories.
Titanic wrote:Finally, please reread the text that the committee published when they awarded him the prize. its not about Iraq, Afghanistan or ending wars. Its about international diplomacy, nuclear disarnment and "global harmony".
Yes... and what has he done in 6 months to foster international diplomacy, nuclear disarmament, and global harmony?
The fact is he got the award because he's not President Bush. The international community is excited about President Obama. That's not a reason to win the Nobel Peace Prize.
Re: Obama And The Nobel Peace Prize
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 9:07 am
by pimpdave
thegreekdog wrote:The fact is he got the award because he's not President Bush. The international community is excited about President Obama. That's not a reason to win the Nobel Peace Prize.
NO THERE IS NO FACT
There is
only opinion in awarding this prize. Stop getting your panties all twisted up over this, it's really not worth it.
I can honestly say that if one was presented to Bush tomorrow, I would be shrugging my shoulders just as much, but I think you would likely come up with all kinds of reasons why he deserves it. You need to stop taking Obama's Peace Prize as an indictment of Bush. The persecution complex is really getting ridiculous.
Re: Obama And The Nobel Peace Prize
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 9:34 am
by thegreekdog
pimpdave wrote:thegreekdog wrote:The fact is he got the award because he's not President Bush. The international community is excited about President Obama. That's not a reason to win the Nobel Peace Prize.
NO THERE IS NO FACT
There is
only opinion in awarding this prize. Stop getting your panties all twisted up over this, it's really not worth it.
I can honestly say that if one was presented to Bush tomorrow, I would be shrugging my shoulders just as much, but I think you would likely come up with all kinds of reasons why he deserves it. You need to stop taking Obama's Peace Prize as an indictment of Bush. The persecution complex is really getting ridiculous.
Woah there buddy. I have no persecution complex with respect to President Bush. If President Obama had received one and everyone said, "meh," I'd be okay with that. But everyone is not saying that. I'm simply flabbergasted that some people on this site and in other places have argued vociferously that President Obama deserved the award. I think it's plain Kool Aid drunkeness, and it needs to stop. AND I'M THE ONE TO STOP IT!
Re: Obama And The Nobel Peace Prize
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 9:37 am
by pimpdave
Oh, okay. That's better then. I was getting a bit worried there for a second.
I was also about to post this as what you should be saying to the Nobel Peace Prize committee:
Well, that's just like, your opinion, man.
Re: Obama And The Nobel Peace Prize
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 9:51 am
by nagerous
comic boy wrote:There is no way he deserved to win it but these things are relative, consider that Kissinger also once got the prize which is truly astonishing
Kissinger won it?
Thats like giving it to Westmoreland.
Re: Obama And The Nobel Peace Prize
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 9:56 am
by Lord and Master
It's all a big steaming bag of shit. The fucker got like a million euro's along with the prize too. That'd be something like US$1.5mil
Way to completely de-value an internationally recognised prestigious award. Oh wait, the guy it's named for invented TNT, peace my arse...
Re: Obama And The Nobel Peace Prize
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:00 am
by pimpdave
Well, hey now... Nobel invented TNT to provide a safer alternative to nitroglycerin, which was the primary substance used for blasting at the time, but was so unstable it resulted in many unintentional deaths. I'm pretty sure Nobel instituted his system of prizes as a way to mitigate his guilt over having created a substance that caused many, many more deaths than what he had been trying to prevent.
Re: Obama And The Nobel Peace Prize
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:35 am
by Lord and Master
pimpdave wrote:Well, hey now... Nobel invented TNT to provide a safer alternative to nitroglycerin, which was the primary substance used for blasting at the time, but was so unstable it resulted in many unintentional deaths. I'm pretty sure Nobel instituted his system of prizes as a way to mitigate his guilt over having created a substance that caused many, many more deaths than what he had been trying to prevent.
It's a crock man, and having vented some spleen earlier I can't bring myself to care enough to enter into a reasonable discussion, no offence to you, I'm more than somewhat disillusioned right now...
Re: Obama And The Nobel Peace Prize
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:38 am
by thegreekdog
pimpdave wrote:Well, hey now... Nobel invented TNT to provide a safer alternative to nitroglycerin, which was the primary substance used for blasting at the time, but was so unstable it resulted in many unintentional deaths. I'm pretty sure Nobel instituted his system of prizes as a way to mitigate his guilt over having created a substance that caused many, many more deaths than what he had been trying to prevent.
Woah, woah, woah. Are you sure you didn't mean "McGill University invented TNT to provide a safer alternative to nitroglycerin?"
Re: Obama And The Nobel Peace Prize
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:11 pm
by Titanic
pimpdave wrote:Well, hey now... Nobel invented TNT to provide a safer alternative to nitroglycerin, which was the primary substance used for blasting at the time, but was so unstable it resulted in many unintentional deaths. I'm pretty sure Nobel instituted his system of prizes as a way to mitigate his guilt over having created a substance that caused many, many more deaths than what he had been trying to prevent.
Yer, thats pretty much the story. A French newspaper accidentally ran an obituary of him when they thought he died and called him "a bringer of evil and mass murder" or something along those lines. He was so hurt by that (as he did invent TNT for peaceful purposes) that he set up the awards in his will.
Greek, who do you think should have won the award this year then? I don't think there are that many people who weren't shocked when the decision was announced, but the reasoning the committee gave was fairly logical and clear.
Re: Obama And The Nobel Peace Prize
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:45 pm
by thegreekdog
So, the defense of President Obama winning the award is "who else should have won it?"
Me... I should have won it.
Re: Obama And The Nobel Peace Prize
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:50 pm
by luns101
They could have gone with any of the following and it would have been taken more seriously:
Sima Samar
Hu Jia
Wei Jingsheng
Prince Ghazi bin Muhammad
Greg Mortenson
Personally, with all that's going on in the middle east, I would have wanted Ghazi bin Muhammad to win it.
Re: Obama And The Nobel Peace Prize
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:51 pm
by max is gr8
Does this mean I deserve a peace prize? The closest I've got to aggression is conquerclub
Re: Obama And The Nobel Peace Prize
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:39 pm
by Snorri1234
CreepersWiener wrote: and under GW, we never experienced another terrorist attack.
I got this nifty rock that keeps tigers away to sell, want one?
Re: Obama And The Nobel Peace Prize
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:43 pm
by nippersean
Couldn't be bothered to read the thread, but what did Obama actually do to receive this prize?
Re: Obama And The Nobel Peace Prize
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:40 pm
by CreepersWiener
nippersean wrote:Couldn't be bothered to read the thread, but what did Obama actually do to receive this prize?
He
hoped for peace and
imagines a world free of nuclear weapons and war and disease...JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER F
UCKING PRESIDENT!
BTW, you guys should really pay attention to the poll that goes along with this thread.
Re: Obama And The Nobel Peace Prize
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:15 pm
by pimpdave
BTW, all this poll suggests is that the people responding to the poll aren't on the Nobel Prize awarding committee.
Shocking, I know.
And the truth is, Obama deserves the Nobel Peace Prize because the committee decided he does. That's all there is to it. This isn't something that's put out to a vote. This isn't voting for the All-Star game. Flipping out like this just means the jokes on you. And that you're stupid.
So, Creepers, I'm counting on you to make similar I AM OUTRAGED threads about every single top ten list about both 2009 and the decade. Consistency matters.
Re: Obama And The Nobel Peace Prize
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:20 pm
by BigBallinStalin
pimpdave wrote:BTW, all this poll suggests is that the people responding to the poll aren't on the Nobel Prize awarding committee.
Shocking, I know.
And the truth is, Obama deserves the Nobel Peace Prize because the committee decided he does. That's all there is to it. This isn't something that's put out to a vote. This isn't voting for the All-Star game. Flipping out like this just means the jokes on you. And that you're stupid.
So, Creepers, I'm counting on you to make similar I AM OUTRAGED threads about every single top ten list about both 2009 and the decade. Consistency matters.
Re: Obama And The Nobel Peace Prize
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:23 pm
by Snorri1234
pimpdave wrote: And that you're stupid.
This is important. The nobel peace prize isn't exactly something you should care about. The Nobel Prizes all have been subject to politics, the Peace Prize has just been more subject to it because it's obviously one that
is about politics. They didn't award it to Gandhi but did give it to Yasser Arafat.
I mean, think about that and you'll realize that while usually they give it to people who reasonably deserve it they also hand it to people for political reasons instead of actual real contributions.
Re: Obama And The Nobel Peace Prize
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:42 pm
by CreepersWiener
pimpdave wrote:BTW, all this poll suggests is that the people responding to the poll aren't on the Nobel Prize awarding committee.
The poll reflects the general opinion of the majority of people who usually answer such forum polls. Never claimed that anyone was on the Nobel Prize awarding committee...but if you would like, I could ask that question to satisfy curiosity (as it is quite evident that this poll leans towards the opinion that they believe Obama has done nothing to deserve such an honor).
pimpdave wrote:And the truth is, Obama deserves the Nobel Peace Prize because the committee decided he does. That's all there is to it. This isn't something that's put out to a vote. This isn't voting for the All-Star game. Flipping out like this just means the jokes on you. And that you're stupid.
Well, with the flame inciting rhetoric aside, you make a point. Yes, the NPP committee could care less about my or millions of others' opinions. Which brings to question...to what agenda do the committee members of such awarding committees serve? They consistently choose socialists over conservative as
their global ideal. My
flipping out seems to be a fanciful delusion, by a fanciful little trollish author who is proud to sport signatures of people that he had pissed off in the past. Of course, I am sure you would love to respond to this, but I would rather you just leave my thread alone.
pimpdave wrote:So, Creepers, I'm counting on you to make similar I AM OUTRAGED threads about every single top ten list about both 2009 and the decade. Consistency matters.
I expect you to remain a forum troll with no respect for people's threads.
