Conquer Club

jpcloet wrote:Let me pose the question to all then. If I were to do a "Comprehensive Ranking"to take in other considerations, what factors should be included, how would they be measured and to what weighting?

There are 3 I have been thinking of but I'm sure there are more.

Skill (The ability to win)
Strength of Schedule (The quality of wins/losses)
Organization skill (The ability to create and manage a challenge)

Others?

e_i_pi wrote:

jpcloet wrote:Let me pose the question to all then. If I were to do a "Comprehensive Ranking"to take in other considerations, what factors should be included, how would they be measured and to what weighting?

There are 3 I have been thinking of but I'm sure there are more.

Skill (The ability to win)
Strength of Schedule (The quality of wins/losses)
Organization skill (The ability to create and manage a challenge)

Others?

Honestly, I think there's far too much to consider, and far too little data to go by. I know the site has been around for a while, but measuring clans, especially given the dynamic nature of challenges (clans decide how many singles.dubs.trips.quads to play), it doesn't lend well to a ladder. I think the clan league is a good indicator, and possibly having several leagues involving singles, triples, and quads games would be a good indicator. Ultimately though, every measuring tool is going to have bias.

lt.pie wrote:If your not going to update our win over project enigma nor the monki's win over AI then i would suggest the whole clan ranking list in the first post is entirely worthless and all clans listed should be reset to 100 until the clan doubles league is finalized.

lt.pie wrote:If your not going to update our win over project enigma nor the monki's win over AI then i would suggest the whole clan ranking list in the first post is entirely worthless and all clans listed should be reset to 100 until the clan doubles league is finalized.

jpcloet wrote:Skill (The ability to win) - Yes that is what this whole ladder is about..
Strength of Schedule (The quality of wins/losses) - 100% agree
Organization skill (The ability to create and manage a challenge) - NO.... This has nothing to do with the ladder if you ask me. This just tells me you are a moron if you cannot complete it.

Others?

lt.pie wrote:If your not going to update our win over project enigma nor the monki's win over AI then i would suggest the whole clan ranking list in the first post is entirely worthless and all clans listed should be reset to 100 until the clan doubles league is finalized.

Incandenza wrote:So, let me get this straight: going 25-5 against a brand new clan composed of cadets and stripers was enough to somehow catapult LoW from #3 to #1? Even though we're undefeated aginst the same if not better competition, and they lost to the Monkis, who aren't even in the top five?

Now I really need to see the math on this, jp, because if a clan can get to the top spot without actually facing ANYONE in the top five, then what's the bleeding point? It's just the CC scoreboard writ small, where Herpes can get to #1 by grinding out freestyle City Mogul games against cadets.

jpcloet wrote:Due to lack of data, it does not adjust if you beat up a new clan. Still working on that one.

reptile wrote:you guys didnt like the format, whine about the singles, then the # of games, then the ratio of doubles/triples...

AndrewB wrote:And we really appreciate everyone hard work put in this. I can tell, as I am personally doing a lot for CC too (I believe, correct me if I am wrong) by running several very time demanding tournaments.

But if you would think about it without prejudgment to THOTA or our comments etc, you would realize that getting lots of ladder points from the new clan is absurd (even I do share you sentiment helping a new clan start).