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fairman wrote:New year was in spring before year 1567 in France

betiko wrote:

fairman wrote:New year was in spring before year 1567 in France

Not sure about that, but what I know is that september being the 9th month or december the 12th... it proved that it was changed.. the third month, March should be the first month of the year.
Well while I’m saying it might not be as obvious for those who don’t speak a latin language sept-> seven deca -> ten

fairman wrote:New year was in spring before year 1567 in France

loutil wrote:

fairman wrote:New year was in spring before year 1567 in France

LOL...that is not correct.
It was in 1563 that King Charles IX reformed the French calendar. It was passed into law by the French Parliament on Dec. 22, 1564. However, all this did was make official what had long been the custom of celebrating the new year on January 1st.
In 1582 Pope Gregory issued a papal decree moving the start of the year to January 1 as well as creating a leap-year system.

In AD 567, the Council of Tours formally abolished January 1 as the beginning of the year. At various times and in various places throughout medieval Christian Europe, the new year was celebrated on December 25 in honor of the birth of Jesus; March 1 in the old Roman style; March 25 in honor of Lady Day and the Feast of the Annunciation; and on the movable feast of Easter. These days were also astronomically and astrologically significant since, at the time of the Julian reform, March 25 had been understood as the spring equinox and December 25 as the winter solstice. (The Julian calendar's small disagreement with the solar year, however, shifted these days earlier before the Council of Nicaea which formed the basis of the calculations used during the Gregorian reform of the calendar.) Medieval calendars nonetheless often continued to display the months running from January to December, despite their readers reckoning the transition from one year to the next on a different day.

Because of the leap year error in the Julian calendar, the date of Easter had drifted backward since the First Council of Nicaea decided the computation of the date of Easter in 325. By the sixteenth century, the drift from the observed equinox had become unacceptable. In 1582, Pope Gregory XIII declared the Gregorian calendar widely used today, correcting the error by a deletion of 10 days. The Gregorian calendar reform also (in effect) restored January 1 as New Year's Day. Although most Catholic countries adopted the Gregorian calendar almost immediately, it was only gradually adopted among Protestant countries. The British, for example, did not adopt the reformed calendar until 1752. Until then, the British Empire – and its American colonies – still celebrated the new year on 25 March.

Some have proposed that the modern custom [of April Fools' Day] originated in France, officially with the Edict of Roussillon (promulgated in August 1564), in which Charles IX decreed that the new year would no longer begin on Easter, as had been common throughout Christendom, but rather on January 1. Because Easter was a lunar and therefore moveable date, those who clung to the old ways were the “April Fools.” Others have suggested that the timing of the day may be related to the vernal equinox (March 21), a time when people are fooled by sudden changes in the weather.

In 1508, French poet Eloy d'Amerval referred to a poisson d’avril (April fool, literally "Fish of April"), possibly the first reference to the celebration in France.[7] Some writers suggest that April Fools' originated because in the Middle Ages, New Year's Day was celebrated on March 25 in most European towns,[8] through a holiday that in some areas of France, specifically, ended on April 1,[9][10] and those who celebrated New Year's Eve on January 1 made fun of those who celebrated on other dates by the invention of April Fools' Day.[9] The use of January 1 as New Year's Day became common in France only by the mid-16th century,[6] and the date was not adopted officially until 1564, thanks to the Edict of Roussillon.

Doc_Brown wrote:

loutil wrote:

fairman wrote:New year was in spring before year 1567 in France

LOL...that is not correct.
It was in 1563 that King Charles IX reformed the French calendar. It was passed into law by the French Parliament on Dec. 22, 1564. However, all this did was make official what had long been the custom of celebrating the new year on January 1st.
In 1582 Pope Gregory issued a papal decree moving the start of the year to January 1 as well as creating a leap-year system.

According to some sources, there is more to the story:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Day

In AD 567, the Council of Tours formally abolished January 1 as the beginning of the year. At various times and in various places throughout medieval Christian Europe, the new year was celebrated on December 25 in honor of the birth of Jesus; March 1 in the old Roman style; March 25 in honor of Lady Day and the Feast of the Annunciation; and on the movable feast of Easter. These days were also astronomically and astrologically significant since, at the time of the Julian reform, March 25 had been understood as the spring equinox and December 25 as the winter solstice. (The Julian calendar's small disagreement with the solar year, however, shifted these days earlier before the Council of Nicaea which formed the basis of the calculations used during the Gregorian reform of the calendar.) Medieval calendars nonetheless often continued to display the months running from January to December, despite their readers reckoning the transition from one year to the next on a different day.

Because of the leap year error in the Julian calendar, the date of Easter had drifted backward since the First Council of Nicaea decided the computation of the date of Easter in 325. By the sixteenth century, the drift from the observed equinox had become unacceptable. In 1582, Pope Gregory XIII declared the Gregorian calendar widely used today, correcting the error by a deletion of 10 days. The Gregorian calendar reform also (in effect) restored January 1 as New Year's Day. Although most Catholic countries adopted the Gregorian calendar almost immediately, it was only gradually adopted among Protestant countries. The British, for example, did not adopt the reformed calendar until 1752. Until then, the British Empire – and its American colonies – still celebrated the new year on 25 March.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/April-Fools-Day

Some have proposed that the modern custom [of April Fools' Day] originated in France, officially with the Edict of Roussillon (promulgated in August 1564), in which Charles IX decreed that the new year would no longer begin on Easter, as had been common throughout Christendom, but rather on January 1. Because Easter was a lunar and therefore moveable date, those who clung to the old ways were the “April Fools.” Others have suggested that the timing of the day may be related to the vernal equinox (March 21), a time when people are fooled by sudden changes in the weather.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fools'_Day

In 1508, French poet Eloy d'Amerval referred to a poisson d’avril (April fool, literally "Fish of April"), possibly the first reference to the celebration in France.[7] Some writers suggest that April Fools' originated because in the Middle Ages, New Year's Day was celebrated on March 25 in most European towns,[8] through a holiday that in some areas of France, specifically, ended on April 1,[9][10] and those who celebrated New Year's Eve on January 1 made fun of those who celebrated on other dates by the invention of April Fools' Day.[9] The use of January 1 as New Year's Day became common in France only by the mid-16th century,[6] and the date was not adopted officially until 1564, thanks to the Edict of Roussillon.

betiko wrote:25-16 at least the score looks a bit better than it did at the begining of the war.

betiko wrote:25-16 at least the score looks a bit better than it did at the begining of the war.

hopalong wrote:

betiko wrote:25-16 at least the score looks a bit better than it did at the begining of the war.

at the beginning of the war, wasnt it 0-0? you sound like a closeted TOFU fan.

betiko wrote:
We’re better under pressure and when we get to finish a war,

betiko wrote:

hopalong wrote:

betiko wrote:25-16 at least the score looks a bit better than it did at the begining of the war.

at the beginning of the war, wasnt it 0-0? you sound like a closeted TOFU fan.

Lol

Although a closeted tofu fan wouldn’t be too much fan of a tied score!

Anyways... the fat lady isn’t singing yet... and it did look like it was a done deal when you guys reached 20 so fast. We’re better under pressure and when we get to finish a war, we still need a few comebacks at this point.. but we’ve Already done it.

Don’t know if you guys remember how we won the first division league against you guys and fall a few years ago.. it was a similar comeback.

rockfist wrote:

It'd take divine intervention for you to win.

But I understand, if you lie to yourself, long enough you may believe your own lie and since you have to believe you can do something in order to do it, I'd do the same in your position. But deep down, you know, its still a lie, even though you don't dare admit it.

rockfist wrote:What an apt analogy. You think of yourselves as hounds. We think of ourselves as lions.

Lions do not run from dogs, there is no need to hunt. However, you will have to take the prey from our jaws.

We'll be right here. I look forward to your attempt, but do be careful as all it takes is one swipe of the lion's paw to kill a dog.

rockfist wrote:What an apt analogy. You think of yourselves as hounds. We think of ourselves as lions.

Lions do not run from dogs, there is no need to hunt. However, you will have to take the prey from our jaws.

We'll be right here. I look forward to your attempt, but do be careful as all it takes is one swipe of the lion's paw to kill a dog.

ZaBeast wrote:

rockfist wrote:What an apt analogy. You think of yourselves as hounds. We think of ourselves as lions.

Lions do not run from dogs, there is no need to hunt. However, you will have to take the prey from our jaws.

We'll be right here. I look forward to your attempt, but do be careful as all it takes is one swipe of the lion's paw to kill a dog.

An apt analogy, at least in your case, because you pussied out by using a rule that has no reason to exist to try get an edge by restricting our choice of homes.
And looks like a challenge to me.

ZaBeast wrote:

rockfist wrote:What an apt analogy. You think of yourselves as hounds. We think of ourselves as lions.

Lions do not run from dogs, there is no need to hunt. However, you will have to take the prey from our jaws.

We'll be right here. I look forward to your attempt, but do be careful as all it takes is one swipe of the lion's paw to kill a dog.

An apt analogy, at least in your case, because you pussied out by using a rule that has no reason to exist to try get an edge by restricting our choice of homes.
And looks like a challenge to me.