Indigo League Mafia/RPG Final Scene

[mandalorian2298]

Incorrect vote count, deleted to unclutter the page. The correct VC is in the next post.

[mandalorian2298]

Vote count:

spurgistan (1) - Tim

Talapus (1) - Strike

kwanton (2) - kwanton, Minister Masket

Strike wolf (1) - spurgistan

Skoffin (2) - Hotshot, Fircoal

dakky (2) - Samlen, Serbia

Samlen (1) - Talapus

Tim (2) - Exile, new guy,

Fircoal (3) - TWO, DoomYoshi, Skoffin

Serbia (1) - dakky

Hotshot (1) - Wing

Skittles (1) - BuJaber

Wing (1) - Ragian

Minister Masket (2) - Anarkistsdream, madmitch

26 alive, 14 to lynch

Nag, you can EBWOP. Or just post the vote. I can't very well count a green vote against Serbia after not counting HIS orange vote.

On the subject of blue votes guys, I'm not being a rules Nazi just for the fun of it, it just makes them easier to spot thus allowing me to post frequant and (hopefully) accurate vote counts.

EBWOP No vote on DoomYoshi

[BuJaber]

I'm not sure I understand your point about Skittles; which part of his comment was an assumption about factions? Could you clarify?

As for Serb, apparently he was just a rage filled character back in the day. Now if only Tonka truck were here, now that was some rage XD

Skittles stated that "team rocket and whoever leads them" are the obvious baddies. That's an assumption about factions.


Mandy - Could you edit your VC's directly? We're bound by your rules for good reason.. but you are not and it would make it cleaner.

[Anarkistsdream]

Spamers, beware.
Joking in the thread is fine, but don’t let it get carried away and take over as spam.

Posting about spam without posting anything else is real great if you want to look like you are participating without actually doing anything. Do more than leave a quote. And don't be a rules Nazi...

Are you joking? Or serious?

Did you want me to add content less than 5 minutes after I had already made a post? Go check the timestamps, I voted Hotshot literally moments before.

Do you know what is also outright scummy? Making a post to look like you have been reading the thread. It stands out when you have mucked up and not actually read anything.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB
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I have played more games than you have even seen listed, bud...

You were still a rules Nazi and you still posted nothing of substance...

Getting angry about it just makes you look ignorant...

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Posted 9:07 GMT

I will vouch for Benga being a decent player. Doesnt post mega often, but will post essays infrequently.

Just seen that Hotshot is in this game. Unvote vote Hotshot. Scumarines as scum. Scumarines as town. Easier just to lynch him now. Tim and Dakky do this every game, even if I think Tim may have truly slipped this time.

Posted 9:55 GMT

Spamers, beware.
Joking in the thread is fine, but don’t let it get carried away and take over as spam.

Posted 8:10 GMT

Spamers, beware.
Joking in the thread is fine, but don’t let it get carried away and take over as spam.

Posting about spam without posting anything else is real great if you want to look like you are participating without actually doing anything. Do more than leave a quote. And don't be a rules Nazi...

Are you joking? Or serious?

Did you want me to add content less than 5 minutes after I had already made a post? Go check the timestamps, I voted Hotshot literally moments before.

Do you know what is also outright scummy? Making a post to look like you have been reading the thread. It stands out when you have mucked up and not actually read anything.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB

@Rage. Good, so learn from it.

@Serb. Is this a challenge. There is only room for one uber aggressive player here, and that would be me these days.

@Doom. Yup I read Newguys post the same way.

Posted 8:59 GMT

I have played more games than you have even seen listed, bud...

You were still a rules Nazi and you still posted nothing of substance...

Getting angry about it just makes you look ignorant...

Cool story bro. You've played a lot of games and yet are still an idiot. If you want to dance I will happily.

You can constantly bleet about my "lack of substance", whilst ignoring my actual substance. I dont feel the need to dress my posts in fluff just to appear to be active. I prefer to be active.

Are you going to respond to the other six posts after your first post of the day? Apparently not.

What are your opinions on TIm? Innocent question or scum slip?

Anything on Fircoal? He has picked up a fair few votes. I think its interesting that Skoffin has come out to vote him, whilst also be clear in defending his vote of the mod.

There is much to discuss, but alas you appear to not be interested.

For completeness lets add your other posts in this game so we can look at your "substance"

Well, I am glad that I need to know nothing about this tv show/card game/video game/madness to play...

Strike Wolf, good to see you, dude.

I don't know a lot about indigo league in particular. Has pokemon come far from the days of Gen 1? Are there any things we should be aware of, like extra (non-Rocket) mafias?

I'm pretty sure Mandy knows little about Pokemon past Gen 1. I would assume it all has to do with gen 1. But if we're going to talk about later pokemon... *points to avatar*~

Aren't you too old to be Keeping Up With the Kangaskhans, Brian? (That was my pun mixing Pokemon with a crap TV show... I am pretty proud of it.)

Your move.

[Anarkistsdream]

You, for being from the UK, don't understand English too well. First, you posted a post of a mod rule... The posts around it have no bearing on my point. The fact is, YOU are not the mod... YOU don't need to be a rules nazi.... The mod, whom I have known for 6 years or more, can do that quite well on his own... You are the kind of person who makes all games a drag, because you seem to think you need to be the one in charge. Are you picking up what I am putting down yet?

Jesus Christ, you start name calling but show yourself to be a hotheaded dipshit through and through.

I have made a case... It is my best lead. What good does talking about these other cases do me? None, because that does not help my case. Now, watching how all of YOU talk about those other cases DOES tell me something... Apparently, old chap, YOU are the noob...

Maybe I should start calling you Trump, because you sure jumped on someone's ass as soon as they pointed out they didn't like what you posted...

Now, you need to learn to pull up your big boy pants and act like an adult. So far, you have certainly shown yourself to be a big red monkey's ass.

[Fircoal]

I will vouch for Benga being a decent player. Doesnt post mega often, but will post essays infrequently.

Just seen that Hotshot is in this game. Unvote vote Hotshot. Scumarines as scum. Scumarines as town. Easier just to lynch him now. Tim and Dakky do this every game, even if I think Tim may have truly slipped this time.

But HotShot posted twice just before you. And neither post seemed like typical scumarining. I'm all for pressuring scumariners but you can't just pick a name out of a hat and call them that. The game just started. He's done enough so far.

My main suspect, if serious votes were to start, would be Tim due to the clash of his emotions compared to when he jumped on dakky (even messed up his name in his haste to jump on him about the mention of Team Rocket) and then as Serbia said, just kind of nonchalantly walked it back as a "pushing his buttons" kind of tactic, which he gave up after dakky made one post. He didn't make any effort to bring it back up to confirm his theory that dakky was dodging the question, not just forgetting to mention it. The two situations seemed conflicting in an odd way. I'm still getting used to dakky, but I came up on this forum in a time when pushing past the joke votes of day 1 to start into serious talk immediately was normally frowned upon, so his pushing past joke voting is something that I take into account, though I'm not sure what to make of it due to not playing enough games with him. It just rubs me wrong, not enough for a vote or fos, because nobody has challenged it as being outside of his meta, but enough to mention for my reference.

Vote Tim due to the above reasoning, and because I'm unsure as to if the joke vote phase has ended or not. It's kind of in that twilight period where half the players are talking seriously and the other half are still clinging to joke voting.

You and dakky are missing the point. It doesn't matter what "they" think. It matters what you think.

What do you mean by this? I would think what others think is very important. How are we going to find who is scum if we don't try to think of why the person did that. The way a scum thinks is different than a town player, and in those differences that's how we're able to root them out. Imposing your own view of what is right and wrong is a sure way to lynch a nub just for being a nub.

I know you're lying because Pokemon after Gen 2 is still amazing. Every gen of Pokemon is great even Gen 3. Look at my cute avatar. LOOK AT IT.

Sorry Sir, but you are wrong. There were some decent pokemon after Gen 2 (Gogoat!) but it mostly has not been the same. Pretty much all the legendaries after then have been garbage, too. Just accept it.

You are wrong, and it's very clear. How dare you insult the best Pokemon. *HUFF*

Anything on Fircoal? He has picked up a fair few votes. I think its interesting that Skoffin has come out to vote him, whilst also be clear in defending his vote of the mod.

Most of the votes on me were joke votes. TWO and Skoffin's were at the very least. This is also a relic of the past as I used to get a lot of joke votes back in the day. (oh the days of getting lynched in rt mafias within the first page. THANKS EVERYONE.)



I don't think Masket is scum. While his hinting at his role was misguided I fail to see any reason why a scum player would point out that they're a trainer. It looks like a mess up more than anything else. Which is bad play more than a scum tell or a town tell.

@Wing/AD - I will say I don't think wing did anything suspicious. He made a vote and a joke. The joke made sense imo and I don't think it's there to distract from what he has not done before. Spam isn't nesesarly bad nor is spamming suspcious. Espeically this early.

[Anarkistsdream]

Fir, brother, pal... The joke has nothing to do with it. I don't think the joke was there to distract anyone either... But to basically ask what the roles are is a general admission of one of two things...

Trying to get others to admit their roles is the first
Role-claiming is the second...

To do this on Day 1 is what makes me think it is weird. Especially as many games as we have all played together...

I doubt my vote or suspicions will lead to a lynch, but... So far, that is the most out of place thing I have seen, and the only one that warrants my vote.

Unless you would like to admit to defending him... In which case, YOU are the most out of place thing... Muhahahahahaha.

Everything else has just been typical Day 1 shenanigans.

[kwanton]

[Bugcatcher Kwanton wants to battle!]

[Send out Pikachu?]

[Yes]

Go Pikachu! Use Thunderbolt on Kwanton!

[It's super eff-]

Oh uhh...ahem...excuse me...

Vote Kwanton because he voted himself and that's always suspicious.

Where was Pokemon roles mentioned? I assumed it would all be trainers. Then again my memory of the Indigo series is very fuzzy. I know there've been loads of trainers introduced over the years but perhaps there weren't that many way back then.

First, I hate bugs. Second, voting for me is a scum tell so im gonna add you to my FOS list.

I'm kinda confused if that was a role claim or not, but even if it wasn't, asking about roles like that seems like fishing for information.

[kwanton]

EBWOP

Mandy, you shouldn't have to EBWOP. Mods are above the rules! (and it makes the thread look cleaner)

[mandalorian2298]

BuJaber & Kwanton - you guys are absolutely right, especially since the number of players with votes on them is double digits. My bad, won't do it in the future.

[Fircoal]

Fir, brother, pal... The joke has nothing to do with it. I don't think the joke was there to distract anyone either... But to basically ask what the roles are is a general admission of one of two things...

Trying to get others to admit their roles is the first
Role-claiming is the second...

To do this on Day 1 is what makes me think it is weird. Especially as many games as we have all played together...

Who are you refering to? Masket? When I said joke I was refering to Wing not Masket. As for Masket I think he screwed up. I can see how one can think he was trying to get more role information though. While that would be somewhat suspicious I still feel like it was a screw up more than anything.

[Anarkistsdream]

Fir, brother, pal... The joke has nothing to do with it. I don't think the joke was there to distract anyone either... But to basically ask what the roles are is a general admission of one of two things...

Trying to get others to admit their roles is the first
Role-claiming is the second...

To do this on Day 1 is what makes me think it is weird. Especially as many games as we have all played together...

Who are you refering to? Masket? When I said joke I was refering to Wing not Masket. As for Masket I think he screwed up. I can see how one can think he was trying to get more role information though. While that would be somewhat suspicious I still feel like it was a screw up more than anything.

But what else do we have to go on Day 1 besides screw ups?

26 people... So, how many scum? 5?

I know nothing about Pokemon... How many people were in this Rocket League?

Are there other "leagues"? How many? Are they all good guys?

I have played too many games with more than one townie group, and Mandy is purposefully throwing a wrench into a typical c9 game, sooooo....

[Marashu]

But what else do we have to go on Day 1 besides screw ups?

26 people... So, how many scum? 5?

I know nothing about Pokemon... How many people were in this Rocket League?

Are there other "leagues"? How many? Are they all good guys?

I have played too many games with more than one townie group, and Mandy is purposefully throwing a wrench into a typical c9 game, sooooo....

Well, if we're speculating... My usual guess is 25% mafia, though really it can go up to 1/3 (or more if the mod really wants to mess with us). So in a game this size, I would guess 6-7 mafia.

There are other leagues, yes. The Indigo League is the setting of the original Red/Blue/Green. A case could be made that Gold and Silver are also in the indigo league, but they're usually referred to as the johto league. If it's more based on the show, then the first season and a half is the Indigo League. The bad guys in that region are Team Rocket, who basically are the pokemon mafia, with their boss, Giovanni, basically being a mafia godfather. Are there other baddies? Um, with maybe a couple really, really obscure characters, not really.

As for the multiple town thing,

Professor Oak: Thank you, Reporter. Given that most of the Gym Masters have been killed, this year we decided that it would be to dangerous to keep all our fights focused on a few specific locations. Instead, I have supplied a few kids with a Pokedex and a starting pokemon, and released them into the Kanto region to find and defeat each other. The last one of them to survive will be crowned the Champion.

Is it possible that either the trainers aren't town, or the trainers, if town, are competing against each other as well as trying to stop Team Rocket? There's some D1 speculation for you.

[dakky21]

26 people... So, how many scum? 5?

I know nothing about Pokemon... How many people were in this Rocket League?

Are there other "leagues"? How many? Are they all good guys?

It's not Rocket League but ... Team Rocket... and we're playing Indigo League. So that's a TEAM inside a LEAGUE.

Wikipedia says this about Indigo League:

Ash catches and makes friends with many Pokémon while dealing with opposition from the Team Rocket trio of Jessie, James, and Meowth, and his childhood rival, Gary Oak, Professor Oak's grandson, who is also a Pokémon trainer and always keeps ahead of him

So it's correct to assume the Team Rocket consists of 3 players.

[strike wolf]

I will vouch for Benga being a decent player. Doesnt post mega often, but will post essays infrequently.

Just seen that Hotshot is in this game. Unvote vote Hotshot. Scumarines as scum. Scumarines as town. Easier just to lynch him now. Tim and Dakky do this every game, even if I think Tim may have truly slipped this time.

But HotShot posted twice just before you. And neither post seemed like typical scumarining. I'm all for pressuring scumariners but you can't just pick a name out of a hat and call them that. The game just started. He's done enough so far.

It's due to Hotshot'so recent history. He's become one of the least reliable posters on the site. He's a good player when he's active but it's rare to get him active any more.

Dakky is pretty par for the course. Aggressive and good at drawing attention himself. NEXT!

Tim is difficult to read due to his craziness but a couple of his recent turns as mafia show he's a bit more clever than he's some times given credit for. His backing off is odd to me. Like someone backing off because he felt the heat.

Anark: I think we have fundamental differences in how we play. Expressing multiple cases can be good. You can stop a bad case and you get a more rounded view of the players in the game.

The masket case is interesting. The soft claim is oddly timed but usually scum have more information than town at the beginning of the game so a slip like this from scum is even more odd. Possible lone scum?

I don't want to speculate too wildly as it s really too early bUT I do think in a game this size that speculating that it is simply town vs mafia (with possible third party) is too simplistic.

[DoomYoshi]

@ Fircoal: dakky is voting you because "they" told him that voting non-players is a scumtell. New guy's scumtell is when people get serious too early. Why is it a scumtell for him? Because "they" frowned upon it once upon a time. Both players are referencing outdated metas that have no bearing on this game. It's nice to follow some mantras like LAL and follow the cop but every now and then players need to think for themselves.

I really hope this wing/nark fight drags on. My favorite moment in mafia ever was when I got into a several weeklong pissing match with nark, so I am getting the warm fuzzies. Until someone threatens to jump through the screen and punch the other guy in the dickhole, it won't quite cut it.

[Anarkistsdream]

Anark: I think we have fundamental differences in how we play. Expressing multiple cases can be good. You can stop a bad case and you get a more rounded view of the players in the game.

The masket case is interesting. The soft claim is oddly timed but usually scum have more information than town at the beginning of the game so a slip like this from scum is even more odd. Possible lone scum?

As usual, you nailed that. That makes so much sense to me...

Unvote: Masket

However, scum usually tries to be as helpful as possible day one.... So while I love the feedback some of you guys have given, I have to be worried that one of you is scum... (By you, I mean DoomYoshi and Marashu and you, Strike)

Doom... You missed my first comment toward you, so, let me just say, "Hi, buddy! Long time no see!"

Marashu, thank you for the info. I think we should doubt that Mandy set up something as a basic 3 member mafia... There are SO freaking many of us. Unless, of course, he added Rocket Pokemon to the group.

If... there are multiple groups of townies, who all win separately....

OK, look...

I think this is what it is, knowing Mandalorian and the size of this game and his happiness in making it non-normal...

I think there are multiple Teams... Each team wants to beat Rocket, but only Rocket knows who the team members are in their group...
You have trainers for each group, and then you have Pokemon for each group... They may or may not know who each other are. All townies (non-Rocket) will win when they kill all the Rockets... However, since there are differing groups of us, it will cause in fighting, which will aid Rocket.

So basically, this has a low success chance for town to win... at least if my thoughts are in any way correct.

Thoughts? Even from you, Trump....

[dakky21]

@ Fircoal: dakky is voting you because "they" told him that voting non-players is a scumtell.

Actually, your vote Doom is still on Fircoal while mine vote is still on Serbia. So "they" including you might be skimmers. FOS on you mate.

[Anarkistsdream]

@ Fircoal: dakky is voting you because "they" told him that voting non-players is a scumtell. New guy's scumtell is when people get serious too early. Why is it a scumtell for him? Because "they" frowned upon it once upon a time. Both players are referencing outdated metas that have no bearing on this game. It's nice to follow some mantras like LAL and follow the cop but every now and then players need to think for themselves.

I really hope this wing/nark fight drags on. My favorite moment in mafia ever was when I got into a several weeklong pissing match with nark, so I am getting the warm fuzzies. Until someone threatens to jump through the screen and punch the other guy in the dickhole, it won't quite cut it.

Oh my god! YOU REMEMBER TOO!!!

Love you, brother... Hope life has been going well!

[DoomYoshi]

I didn't miss it, top bitch.

Minister Masket is probably trying to cause confusion. I'm tempted to vote but waiting to see how this develops a bit.

@ dakky: I misworded it. I meant case, not vote.

[Anarkistsdream]

I didn't miss it, top bitch.

Minister Masket is probably trying to cause confusion. I'm tempted to vote but waiting to see how this develops a bit.

@ dakky: I misworded it. I meant case, not vote.

Hahaha.

Anyway, as far as the game goes... I want to hear Minsiter Masket's response... But he never was one for checking CC ten times a day

[Samlen]

I Am your Mod. Live with it!
Fine, Can I at least Role-Claim?
Of course you can. However, all roles will face quick and ignoble death (not Mod-Kill, but “natural” causes ) if they claim. So claim away, I double-dare you.
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2. Due to the game mechanics and the WCs, Role-claiming is going to be suicidal for almost all the players in almost every situation. Anyone role-claiming is either lying or trying to lose. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

D

[Bugcatcher Kwanton wants to battle!]

Where was Pokemon roles mentioned? I assumed it would all be trainers. Then again my memory of the Indigo series is very fuzzy. I know there've been loads of trainers introduced over the years but perhaps there weren't that many way back then.

Based on these, plus the whole whatever trainer survives wins, I'd agree with the idea that, at the very least, the town is not unified. The contextual evidence that we've been given suggests that the town is filled with 'survivor' like town roles, possibly in control of other 'pokemon' to form multiple town-ish groups. Of course, it wouldn't be Mafia without a Mafia-like group, so I would concur with the idea that Team Rocket is likely within this game, probably as a larger threat than each of the other individual trainers. Mandy mentioned Pokemon battles, so it's quite possible that each Pokemon has it's strengths/weaknesses(based on their type like water/fire/etc). That means that if a Pokemon claims, they will likely be targeted by other pokemon they are weak to. And if a Trainer claims, then the other trainers will go after them. Sooo yeah suicidal claiming indeed. So as far as the 'town' goes, we can really only agree to try and take out Team Rocket first, since they are likely the greatest threat. After that? Probably a chaotic mess of everyone trying to get rid of all the opposing trainers/pokemon. But I guess we'll cross that bridge when we get there....

[Talapus]

Ok, possibly a dumb question as pokemon is not a subject I know much about. But saw the MM comment and certainly found it more a slip than anything else. But am curious as to whether or not the team rocket members were ever considered trainers?

3 main ones of them(Counting Meowth I guess, though assume not a a trainer) and 3 main storyline trainers means there is a 50/50 chance between good and evil on MM when he screwed up with that comment. But really easiest way to know is if team rocket peeps were ever considered trainers? Any gurus in here care to shed light on that?

If not, than I'd be far more inclined to believe MM slipped up and unfortunately put a rather large target on himself for the first night as a town related role.

[Samlen]

Ok, possibly a dumb question as pokemon is not a subject I know much about. But saw the MM comment and certainly found it more a slip than anything else. But am curious as to whether or not the team rocket members were ever considered trainers?

3 main ones of them(Counting Meowth I guess, though assume not a a trainer) and 3 main storyline trainers means there is a 50/50 chance between good and evil on MM when he screwed up with that comment. But really easiest way to know is if team rocket peeps were ever considered trainers? Any gurus in here care to shed light on that?

If not, than I'd be far more inclined to believe MM slipped up and unfortunately put a rather large target on himself for the first night as a town related role.

I'm no Guru but I'm fairly certain that Team Rocket people were also trainers. Which leads me to think that they are a group of trainers working together, unlike all the other trainers (hence a bigger threat). Since MM was so open about his 'Trainer' slip, I'd be more inclined to believe that he's a town-sided trainer.