[FINISHED] Board Game Mafia: Endgame - Piece of Peace

[Metsfanmax]

The case on Tim is nonsense and I won't join it. It started as a vague impression of some people saying they don't like Tim's playstyle, and then enough votes caused the case to become its own living entity, irrespective of any merits of its own. The only coherent argument offered in its defense has been that Tim got defensive. Which is hilarious if you've played any games at all with Tim.

vote Hotshot

His play style has grown old for me. Post something relevant or get lynched. This whole "Busy with life, sorry no time to post,Ill read up and post what I think later." will not be excepted this game by me
This could go for a few others as well but HS has a history of playing like this and it really helps no one. We have short days this game.

Lol, I actually do happen to be in the middle of tax season... lots of tax returns to get done before April 18. But since this is my only currently active game, I will try harder to be active for the next 2 weeks, and after that I won't be significantly busy.

So far today, wing thinks he found scum in ragian by the way he was the second to confirm jokingly... not sure that is a great argument since I've seen lots of people confirm with different phrases in these games, I always figured it was more of a personality thing than alignment indicative. Wing, do you have any examples of games where your theory turned out to be true?

Dakky meanwhile thinks he found scum with the way Tim jokevoted a non-player. Seems he has some history to support that proposition, too. Dakky also seems to be trying to keep the game going a bit more active, so I'm leaning town on him to start with and will unvote my joke vote on him. Along with the reasoning in SW's post, tim looks to have slightly more chance to be scum so far early on day 1 than anyone else yet, so I will vote tim

Meanwhile, my vote goes on HotShot. He was gone for the beginning of the game (admittedly I have been too, had RL stuff last week and over the weekend), and then popped in after being called out by IB, only to post this completely content-free post to appear active. I know that it has become unfortunately common for HS to be pretty inactive in mafia games, but usually when he does eventually pop in he says something of merit. Instead he just managed to summarize what everyone else had been saying over the last few pages instead of adding any useful content of his own.

[mandalorian2298]

On the other hand we have a player who is confirmed not town, he says he can help town, but equally that he can help mafia also.

In a 16 player game someone said that there will probably be 3 mafia, 3 3p and 10 townies.

think i would like to get to N1 with all 10 townies intact even if it means lynching a nonmafia. we will learn more as the game goes on.

I don't get the "lynch dakky" bit. I know he's not town, but what do we learn from his flip? How do we gain anything going into the night and onto D2? I can't see how lynching dakky helps us going forward.

No one likes my case on BuJaber, apparently, so there's no need to waste my vote. I haven't forgotten, though, and I'll most likely return to it later. I still find AoG very short in his postings and as he pointed out, I also have a bad feeling about him.

Now, vote Tim. We need a claim.

Oh, don't say that, I for one am convinced that BuJaber is Tim's scum-buddy. I first became suspicious when he ignored the Tim's bandwagon, not by defending him outright, but by trying to divert the attention and split the vote. Now, with a lesser player you might suspect skimming, but in this little time I didn't get the impression that any in-game development skips by BuJaber unless he is actively trying not to notice it.

My initial plan was to wait for the Day 2. If BuJaber was mafia, I am pretty sure that he would be de facto leader, even if he wasn't the Godfather by role and he would go for the player who gave the best Day 1 impression which, IMO would probably mean Strike Wolf. Sure, he has not outright voted for Tim, but he is the one who first drew attention to Tim's scummy behaviour. Thus, I decided to wait for Day 2 before pouncing on him like.

Then everyone stopped posting, so I gave it a shot and posted a public plea for the abolishment of the deadline - not because I thought that it can do much good, but just to see if anyone would flinch. BuJaber did, claiming that abolishing deadline would be going easy on the lazy players, which is true - if we were talking about Night deadline. Day deadline is only good for scummsters since it gives them a better chance of getting a No Lynch day.

I was saving all of this because 1) I didn't want to split votes from Tim and 2) Tim's scuminess would help reassure me that I am accusing a good scummster not a good townie.

FOS BuJaber, but my vote stays on Tim

[strike wolf]

Frankly, I thought I had voted Tim Wing when I had made my big post earlier regarding him, IB, The LSU case and WS. I guess it's time to amend reality to what I thought I had done.

Vote Tim I believe that puts him at L-2.

So apparently Mandy is my buddy. I'll have to go reread that part about Bujaber with that in mind. I had initially read it more as his fence sitting which I wasn't sure was scummy or product of being new/different play style from his previous experiences.

Reread done. I'm not feeling everything you're saying about Bujaber. Hmmm...I read Bujaber kind of how I feel I come across. Somewhat cautious and analytical. Reasonably slow to a serious vote (especially day 1). The LSU vote does seem a bit off rereading it. Now he may have just been using this thread alone as his guideline but if he wanted to really analyze it, the reaction should have been similar to mind, to first find if it was this thread alone that LSU was missing in or if it was general inactivity. Now this is just near complete speculation and almost entirely baseless. What caught my attention more was this post:

Have you decided on my question?

Town or scum? kinda depends.. I think generally when I'm playing with people I know, I prefer scum.
Normally, I would say town is better.

Of course nobody likes getting the same role too many times in a row.

This brings me to BuJaber. He rubs me the wrong way. He "missed" my innocent town/scum quesstion, which is what it is, but the way he voted LSU and then unvoted after it was pointed out that it is not good for town has my scumdar beeping. Any takers?

I don't have a good defense for not answering you right away, I wanted to combine it with another post and then just forgot. I answered it later. *shrug*

My LSU vote/unvote would have raised my suspicions as well; so I get it. But like I told Wing, I didn't have a strong reason to vote for him in the first place and it was the vote that was done hastily. The unvote was an attempt at correcting the original mistake.

Okay now I did miss this possible tell on the first read through and again I may be basing this too much on my own playstyle but this is something I know I have done as scum in the past. Namely to admit that I knew something about me seemed suspicious to ease people's suspicions and try to get them to see the circumstances of the actions from my point of view. Now lets be fair. Circumstances can be major. I derided the LSU wagon because of the circumstances behind his absence that I saw. HOWEVER, I like the circumstances to actually be a good reason. I do not see that here.

I'll keep digging and see what I see but that's what I got from the part of the game Mandy referenced in his post about splitting the vote.

Mets with the skeptic post was almost overdue.

[mandalorian2298]

Regarding that post, I actually have to admit I have been a incy-mincy lazy in finding it (in my defence, I was at work, and, more importantly, was just getting the hang of managaing an ice hockey team (Go Bruins!) in Eastside Hocke Manager). I knew that there was something more to it that had previously caught my eye. The vote was against LSU.

Scenario: You are BuJaber, a good, methodic and attentive player. It's Day 1, the joking stage is over and there is a serious bandwagon going on. You respond by voting LSU for inactivity and nothing else and you stick with it.

Ask yourselves this, gentletownies, does this course of event make any sense if BuJaber is town?

P.S. Strike wolf, please correct me if I'm confusing you with someone else, but I seem to recall us buddying up zillion years ago during Everywhere's Deep Space 9 game? It is possible that I am confusing you with someone else. (I remember often confusing you and that guy from South Africa with my y-s in his name, yZygy or something like that) Were you in DS9 game?

[BuJaber]

Last time I made a snap vote I raised all sorts of alarms. I was waiting til I made sure Others would vote for Tim. Also to see if he raises a defence because that is usually a very good tell. He hasn't, I waited long enough. I don't personally understand Tim's posts very well, but I do believe in a united town strategy, so now I Vote Tim.

[strike wolf]

DS9...don't think so. I think we were more buddy buddy in Buffalo Mafia. Of course that was after you and a couple others had forced me into a partial claim.

[BuJaber]

I hope I can prove that my LSU vote was just a mistake on my part in the upcoming days. As for now we just need dakky or anyone else to lynch Tim.

[strike wolf]

Buffy* mafia. I don't think we've had a buffalo mafia. *kicks spell check*

Come on Bu, you can say more than that can't you?

[strike wolf]

Last time I made a snap vote I raised all sorts of alarms. I was waiting til I made sure Others would vote for Tim. Also to see if he raises a defence because that is usually a very good tell. He hasn't, I waited long enough. I don't personally understand Tim's posts very well, but I do believe in a united town strategy, so now I Vote Tim.

Missed this post. Still stands that I think you can say more. I mean voting Tim now. Are you hoping for a quick day resolution?

unvote for now I want to hear more and Tim should at least get some breathing room from a quick hammer and time to claim.

[dakky21]

And damn, wasn't quick enough to hammer... to see what role could I pick at one time

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Zzzzgy is probably Storrzerg.

I'm happy enough. Were in a good place with 2 days to go.

Mandy is earning himself last position in my scumlist. May well drop of if I find someone better to add. AOG and Bujaber early frontrunners.

Oddly StrikeWolf, when I am mafia I never admit to being wrong at all. Each to tneir own I suppose.

[mandalorian2298]

Zzzzgy is probably Storrzerg.

I'm happy enough. Were in a good place with 2 days to go.

Mandy is earning himself last position in my scumlist. May well drop of if I find someone better to add. AOG and Bujaber early frontrunners.

Oddly StrikeWolf, when I am mafia I never admit to being wrong at all. Each to tneir own I suppose.

Not Storrzerg (whom I don't know). This guy played 5 years ago, maybe even more because I think he quit before me.

Regarding Buffy Mafia,of all my defeats, some were more my fault (Poets), some were superidiotic (Pirates), but none hurts more then that one. I failed Buffy, my greatest hero! And slaughtered a bunch of townie power-roles. The shame!

[Metsfanmax]

And damn, wasn't quick enough to hammer... to see what role could I pick at one time

As if we needed more reasons to lynch you early.

[BuJaber]

Last time I made a snap vote I raised all sorts of alarms. I was waiting til I made sure Others would vote for Tim. Also to see if he raises a defence because that is usually a very good tell. He hasn't, I waited long enough. I don't personally understand Tim's posts very well, but I do believe in a united town strategy, so now I Vote Tim.

Missed this post. Still stands that I think you can say more. I mean voting Tim now. Are you hoping for a quick day resolution?

unvote for now I want to hear more and Tim should at least get some breathing room from a quick hammer and time to claim.

See now why would you do that? First you're suspecting me of being Tim's scum buddy, then when I vote against him you unvote. You've convinced a few of the active players including me that you're town, then you do this. Do you think I'm scum and I somehow fooled everyone else to think that Tim is scum when he isn't? People suspected Tim all by themselves.

If you really thought I was his buddy and I'm throwing him under the bus you'd still vote for him now then vote for me the next day.

I already admitted the LSU vote was stupid; I can't do much else. But if you just set it aside for now everything else I've done has been consistent of someone who has no information regarding who is scum and who isn't. I've gone with my gut one a few FOS's and votes and then changed my mind when new information presented itself.

Yes I want Tim to be voted out at this point. Even if we get it wrong, it'll immediately gives us a clue as to who might be next by analyzing the first few players who voted against him. Most likely though we will get it right and scum would have -1.

[mandalorian2298]

Zzzzgy is probably Storrzerg.

I'm happy enough. Were in a good place with 2 days to go.

Mandy is earning himself last position in my scumlist. May well drop of if I find someone better to add. AOG and Bujaber early frontrunners.

Oddly StrikeWolf, when I am mafia I never admit to being wrong at all. Each to tneir own I suppose.

Not Storrzerg (whom I don't know). This guy played 5 years ago, maybe even more because I think he quit before me.

Regarding Buffy Mafia,of all my defeats, some were more my fault (Poets), some were superidiotic (Pirates), but none hurts more then that one. I failed Buffy, my greatest hero! And slaughtered a bunch of townie power-roles. The shame!

Wait a second, we won that one. Must be some other game about something I really love. Maybe there was another Buffy mafia?

Anyway, thanks for inspiring me to take a little walk down the memory lane.

[dakky21]

See now why would you do that? First you're suspecting me of being Tim's scum buddy, then when I vote against him you unvote. You've convinced a few of the active players including me that you're town, then you do this. Do you think I'm scum and I somehow fooled everyone else to think that Tim is scum when he isn't? People suspected Tim all by themselves.

Actually, if Tim flipped town, Strike would be proclaimed town as he unvoted him. If Tim turns out to be mafia, Strike would be called mafia. But I doubt Strike would do the latter at L-1, so it's a win-win situation for him.

If you really thought I was his buddy and I'm throwing him under the bus you'd still vote for him now then vote for me the next day.

Unless you're both mafia. Then, it would made sense, try to save Tim. You bandwagoned, he retracted the vote. Seems logical for you to brag about him retracting the vote.

[Ragian]

What the hell? We're waiting for Tim to claim. Right? I haven't missed his claim, right?

@Mets, you're checking in to say that something is weak without offering anything else? How is that going to help things?

I'm more and more convinced that BuJaber is scum.

[dakky21]

What the hell? We're waiting for Tim to claim. Right? I haven't missed his claim, right?

@Mets, you're checking in to say that something is weak without offering anything else? How is that going to help things?

I'm more and more convinced that BuJaber is scum.

I think you didn't missed his claim. He laid down low since he was accused and after his defense 3 days ago, not a single post till then.

Check Tim's posts: HERE

I believe he was instructed to lay low so they can try to get him out of his mess. Strike & BuJaber were the last to vote on him, Strike bringing him to L-2, BuJaber to L-1, then Strike unvoting to prove he is town if Tim flips scum, and BuJaber bragging about him removing the vote. They both knew I would hammer, so if Tim flipped scum, they were last on the bandwagon, they could be next. Nice try to reverse the situation Strike.

[BuJaber]

Unless you're both mafia. Then, it would made sense, try to save Tim. You bandwagoned, he retracted the vote. Seems logical for you to brag about him retracting the vote.

This would make sense if he had a chance to lynch me too. He didn't even vote for me, and he has to convince 7 others to do it too. It makes no sense for him to unvote.

[dakky21]

Another thing they could be trying is "Don't lynch the inactive" which is another possible tactic, as well as my joke vote assumption about Tim voting a non playing character or anyone else. He made a mess, he tried to defend himself and gone inactive for 3 days. Enough said, 3 scum points for me on Tim, 1 on Strike and 1 on BuJaber.

[BuJaber]

Oh you're saying strike and me are both mafia. Sorry I misunderstood. I don't even know how to respond. That would require a crazy level of planning between me and strike. Do you really think it's possible at this early stage? Strike and I have had no direct conversation until now.

[dakky21]

Oh you're saying strike and me are both mafia. Sorry I misunderstood. I don't even know how to respond. That would require a crazy level of planning between me and strike. Do you really think it's possible at this early stage? Strike and I have had no direct conversation until now.

AFAIK, in all mafia games, mafia has own (hidden) mafia chat. So that's a poor defense and even a revealing one. Why did you even mention you didn't have any "direct" conversation? It sound like you had, but not here.

[strike wolf]

If I believe you mafia Jaber. Why should I play into what you want by letting the quick lynch go through? If Tim flips town Mandys case falls apart. Good for you as mafia. If Tim flips scum. You aren't in any worse position than you would otherwise be. You'd even have the defense that you voted for a mafia member and a lot can happen in the night to move suspicion so nip it now and see if it comes back tomorrow or let the day progress and the case build. If you are scum there is no advantage to letting the day continue to play out. You seemed to be relying on Dakky to quick hammer he was on and everything. Only town ive ever seen go for quick hammers are inexperienced, stupid or the game has stagnated. You don't come off as inexperienced or stupid enough to make a mistake like that and the game hadn't stagnated so what was your reasoning?

Dakky, do you really think I would get pressure if Tim flipped scum?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Oh you're saying strike and me are both mafia. Sorry I misunderstood. I don't even know how to respond. That would require a crazy level of planning between me and strike. Do you really think it's possible at this early stage? Strike and I have had no direct conversation until now.

AFAIK, in all mafia games, mafia has own (hidden) mafia chat. So that's a poor defense and even a revealing one. Why did you even mention you didn't have any "direct" conversation? It sound like you had, but not here.

It is normal for mafia to have night chat. It is abnormal for mafia to have daychat.

[strike wolf]

Eh. Day chats have become more common so it's not surprising that Dakky would suspect. It's the rest that's not so plausible.