U.S. presidential election 2016 (official thread)

[Army of GOD]

does anyone like any of the current top candidates?


Trump is a piece of shit, Hillary is a pathological liar, Bernie is a commie, Cruz is a crazy evangelical and Rubio has little hands

[waauw]

does anyone like any of the current top candidates?


Trump is a piece of shit, Hillary is a pathological liar, Bernie is a commie, Cruz is a crazy evangelical and Rubio has little hands

Bernie is not a commie.

[jgordon1111]

does anyone like any of the current top candidates?


Trump is a piece of shit, Hillary is a pathological liar, Bernie is a commie, Cruz is a crazy evangelical and Rubio has little hands

Bernie is not a commie.

Not a commie, but he still needs to explain his statements from a 1980's interview where he supported what Castro did in Cuba, like trump he needs to disavow this and admit it was a mistake at the minimum, when trump called him a commie, I thought b.s. and even went out of my way here and elsewhere to explain why he wasn't, at the time i was unaware of this interview and its content, now at the minimum he needs to explain

[Bernie Sanders]

does anyone like any of the current top candidates?


Trump is a piece of shit, Hillary is a pathological liar, Bernie is a commie, Cruz is a crazy evangelical and Rubio has little hands

Bernie is not a commie.

Not a commie, but he still needs to explain his statements from a 1980's interview where he supported what Castro did in Cuba, like trump he needs to disavow this and admit it was a mistake at the minimum, when trump called him a commie, I thought b.s. and even went out of my way here and elsewhere to explain why he wasn't, at the time i was unaware of this interview and its content, now at the minimum he needs to explain

What does Bernie needs to explain?

[jgordon1111]

Update ! Mitt Romney has decided to vote for Ted Cruz, after Lindsey Graham endorsed him yesterday, its a new sure fire way to ensure a candidate gets creamed in the polls, a hearty thank you to the gop, for fucking all of your choices openly.

Lol stupid mofo's just don't get it.

[tzor]

What does Bernie needs to explain?

Why he never got a job until he was in his 40's.

[notyou2]

Has Rubio ever worked a day in his life? Trump was born with a golden spoon in his mouth. Cruz was not born in the USA. Hillary is a liar and crook.

Oh, btw shorty, Bernie is a socialist not a communist. You would think that an educated person would know the difference.

[Army of GOD]

Trump was born with a golden spoon in his mouth.

Lay off the homophobia bud

[Bernie Sanders]

What does Bernie needs to explain?

Why he never got a job until he was in his 40's.

Bernie worked hard all his life. Of course a conservative like yourself does not believe fighting for the rights of minorities, women, gay rights, the poor and other injustices is a not a job. Nope, you would call that racism and bigotry against the good old white boy network.

[GoranZ]

What does Bernie needs to explain?

Why he never got a job until he was in his 40's.

Bernie worked hard all his life. Of course a conservative like yourself does not believe fighting for the rights of minorities, women, gay rights, the poor and other injustices is a not a job. Nope, you would call that racism and bigotry against the good old white boy network.

Stop lying to the people, Bernie Sanders is greedy socialist politician who wants to take money from others. He has never fought for someone's rights, he is only fighting for his own greedy ideas. But American democrats saw this and they are punishing him severely.



So whats gonna be next GREEDY MAN? Will you QUIT or you will continue to CRY?

[jgordon1111]

What does Bernie needs to explain?

Why he never got a job until he was in his 40's.

Bernie worked hard all his life. Of course a conservative like yourself does not believe fighting for the rights of minorities, women, gay rights, the poor and other injustices is a not a job. Nope, you would call that racism and bigotry against the good old white boy network.

Stop lying to the people, Bernie Sanders is greedy socialist politician who wants to take money from others. He has never fought for someone's rights, he is only fighting for his own greedy ideas. But American democrats saw this and they are punishing him severely.



So whats gonna be next GREEDY MAN? Will you QUIT or you will continue to CRY?

One hole in your argument GORAN he actually went to jail for fighting for others RIGHTS which calls into question your whole argument against him, are you just anti democracy in general or against him because he is Jewish or just because the pigment of his skin? EXPLAIN PLEASE GORAN

[GoranZ]

What does Bernie needs to explain?

Why he never got a job until he was in his 40's.

Bernie worked hard all his life. Of course a conservative like yourself does not believe fighting for the rights of minorities, women, gay rights, the poor and other injustices is a not a job. Nope, you would call that racism and bigotry against the good old white boy network.

Stop lying to the people, Bernie Sanders is greedy socialist politician who wants to take money from others. He has never fought for someone's rights, he is only fighting for his own greedy ideas. But American democrats saw this and they are punishing him severely.



So whats gonna be next GREEDY MAN? Will you QUIT or you will continue to CRY?

One hole in your argument GORAN he actually went to jail for fighting for others RIGHTS which calls into question your whole argument against him

You mean his arrest for University of Chicago so called "segregated campus housing policy". And if someone is protesting he is automatically fighting for rights of the others?
You have IQ of 80 or less?

are you just anti democracy in general

Of course I'm against US democracy, cant you see what US democracy has done to Libya.

against him because he is Jewish or just because the pigment of his skin? EXPLAIN PLEASE GORAN

As far as I know I have never said something insulting for Jewish people, if you have mixed me with someone else you should apologize.
What pigment of his skin? He has pigment as my own skin Fucking moron.

[Bernie Sanders]

GoranZ is a bigot.

No use trying to debate this clown.

[jgordon1111]

What does Bernie needs to explain?

Why he never got a job until he was in his 40's.

Bernie worked hard all his life. Of course a conservative like yourself does not believe fighting for the rights of minorities, women, gay rights, the poor and other injustices is a not a job. Nope, you would call that racism and bigotry against the good old white boy network.

Stop lying to the people, Bernie Sanders is greedy socialist politician who wants to take money from others. He has never fought for someone's rights, he is only fighting for his own greedy ideas. But American democrats saw this and they are punishing him severely.



So whats gonna be next GREEDY MAN? Will you QUIT or you will continue to CRY?

One hole in your argument GORAN he actually went to jail for fighting for others RIGHTS which calls into question your whole argument against him

You mean his arrest for University of Chicago so called "segregated campus housing policy". And if someone is protesting he is automatically fighting for rights of the others?
You have IQ of 80 or less?
It seems GORAN your knowledge of democracy is limited, yes getting arrested for protesting segregation, is considered fighting for someone's RIGHTS, democracy at its best, so again you showed which of us is actually smarter. Thank you for making it easy.

are you just anti democracy in general

Of course I'm against US democracy, cant you see what US democracy has done to Libya.
That's not democracy, that piss poor choices of leadership.

against him because he is Jewish or just because the pigment of his skin? EXPLAIN PLEASE GORAN

As far as I know I have never said something insulting for Jewish people, if you have mixed me with someone else you should apologize. Piss off no apology needed
What pigment of his skin? He has pigment as my own skin Fucking moron.

Why yes indeed you seem to be a moron of heretofore uncalculated magnitude, all hail the apex epitome of the cerebrally challenged GoranZ, wave to all of your sheep in Macedonia, oh those are sheep, eeww what have you been doing to those poor animals, you sick f*ck you

[GoranZ]

GoranZ is a bigot.

No use trying to debate this clown.

I dont deny that I dont like LIARS like you, but you can not blame me for it, after all you are the one that is spreading lies

Bernie Sanders, you know how will you be remembered? As the liar who wanted to be US President

[GoranZ]

Why he never got a job until he was in his 40's.

Bernie worked hard all his life. Of course a conservative like yourself does not believe fighting for the rights of minorities, women, gay rights, the poor and other injustices is a not a job. Nope, you would call that racism and bigotry against the good old white boy network.

Stop lying to the people, Bernie Sanders is greedy socialist politician who wants to take money from others. He has never fought for someone's rights, he is only fighting for his own greedy ideas. But American democrats saw this and they are punishing him severely.



So whats gonna be next GREEDY MAN? Will you QUIT or you will continue to CRY?

One hole in your argument GORAN he actually went to jail for fighting for others RIGHTS which calls into question your whole argument against him

You mean his arrest for University of Chicago so called "segregated campus housing policy". And if someone is protesting he is automatically fighting for rights of the others?
You have IQ of 80 or less?
It seems GORAN your knowledge of democracy is limited, yes getting arrested for protesting segregation, is considered fighting for someone's RIGHTS, democracy at its best, so again you showed which of us is actually smarter. Thank you for making it easy.

are you just anti democracy in general

Of course I'm against US democracy, cant you see what US democracy has done to Libya.
That's not democracy, that piss poor choices of leadership.

against him because he is Jewish or just because the pigment of his skin? EXPLAIN PLEASE GORAN

As far as I know I have never said something insulting for Jewish people, if you have mixed me with someone else you should apologize. Piss off no apology needed
What pigment of his skin? He has pigment as my own skin Fucking moron.

Why yes indeed you seem to be a moron of heretofore uncalculated magnitude, all hail the apex epitome of the cerebrally challenged GoranZ, wave to all of your sheep in Macedonia, oh those are sheep, eeww what have you been doing to those poor animals, you sick f*ck you

Hmm I know what you want...

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BUT IT WONT HAPPEN

[jgordon1111]

Actually Goran, you have no idea of what I want, just for clarification I have no idea of what is in the image you provided, I disabled that on my CC account.

That aside I firmly believe the ability we have to speak, read, and write is the prime ability that sets us apart from every species on this planet.
And the use of gifs, pictures and drawings of any kind or form,shows, either laziness or inability on the users behalf to effectively communicate with others, and therefore has no standing or capacity in any rational discourse or dialog of any fashion.
So try again GORAN, and keep in mind what I have said about you or implied, was brought on by yourself alone,no one else just your firm belief that a non real rank on a gamesite has somehow overinflated your personal view of yourself.

[tzor]

Oh, btw shorty, Bernie is a socialist not a communist. You would think that an educated person would know the difference.

The end goal of every socialist is communism. Socialism is the road to communism without the violent revolution.

[jgordon1111]

Oh, btw shorty, Bernie is a socialist not a communist. You would think that an educated person would know the difference.

The end goal of every socialist is communism. Socialism is the road to communism without the violent revolution.

With the possibility of pissing you off today as well Tzor and where do you get the info that today's so called socialists are the same as those of the past, and for that matter where did that idea come from in the first place? I am guessing you are using McCarthyism as the basis for your generalized view, if not please provide current examples of your info

[Dukasaur]

Oh, btw shorty, Bernie is a socialist not a communist. You would think that an educated person would know the difference.

The end goal of every socialist is communism. Socialism is the road to communism without the violent revolution.

It's a cute slogan, but it isn't really true.

[patches70]

Oh, btw shorty, Bernie is a socialist not a communist. You would think that an educated person would know the difference.

The end goal of every socialist is communism. Socialism is the road to communism without the violent revolution.

With the possibility of pissing you off today as well Tzor and where do you get the info that today's so called socialists are the same as those of the past, and for that matter where did that idea come from in the first place? I am guessing you are using McCarthyism as the basis for your generalized view, if not please provide current examples of your info

That's straight from Marx, jgordon. He talked about the evolution or I suppose "progression" is the better term, of how economies go from capitalist-->socialist--->communist. Marx felt it was a natural progression, inevitable if you will. Of course, Marx was full of shit but that's another story. It's a fair comment to say that the end goal of a socialist is communism. Cradle to grave taken care of by the State. All the individual has to do is give up on their ambitions, liberty and freedom.

[Dukasaur]

Oh, btw shorty, Bernie is a socialist not a communist. You would think that an educated person would know the difference.

The end goal of every socialist is communism. Socialism is the road to communism without the violent revolution.

With the possibility of pissing you off today as well Tzor and where do you get the info that today's so called socialists are the same as those of the past, and for that matter where did that idea come from in the first place? I am guessing you are using McCarthyism as the basis for your generalized view, if not please provide current examples of your info

That's straight from Marx, jgordon. He talked about the evolution or I suppose "progression" is the better term, of how economies go from capitalist-->socialist--->communist. Marx felt it was a natural progression, inevitable if you will. Of course, Marx was full of shit but that's another story. It's a fair comment to say that the end goal of a socialist is communism. Cradle to grave taken care of by the State. All the individual has to do is give up on their ambitions, liberty and freedom.

Yeah, that is what Marx said ("sort-of"... even so it's not a faithful rendition) but as you point out, Marx was full of shit.

Not every socialist is a Marxist. Even when Marx was popular he was rejected by a majority of socialists. Today that's even more true.

[tzor]

With the possibility of pissing you off today as well Tzor and where do you get the info that today's so called socialists are the same as those of the past, and for that matter where did that idea come from in the first place?

So socialists are really libertarians in disguise? Bernie Sanders is really an Austro LIbertarian in disguise?

Meanwhile, I'll get with the quotes from the great minds of days gone by. Source

The goal of socialism is communism.

If Socialism can only be realized when the intellectual development of all the people permits it, then we shall not see Socialism for at least five hundred years.

Under socialism all will govern in turn and will soon become accustomed to no one governing.

MInd you when the great philosophical wars of the 20th century were fought between communism, fascism and "socialism" the later were generally disguised under the moniker "progressive" ... at least in the United States. I should also point out that the American Progressive / Socialist movement which started from the metropolitan centers of the North East United States, was first led by a "Republican" by the name of Teddy Roosevelt, who eventually split and formed his own "Bull Moose" party.

[Dukasaur]

So socialists are really libertarians in disguise? Bernie Sanders is really an Austro LIbertarian in disguise?

Willy Brandt was.

Many others, too.

Trying to paint socialists with Leninist brush is just as bad as trying to paint them with a Marxist brush.

The great Democratic Socialist nations of Europe firmly reject communism. It's completely possible to have a hybrid economy, where a free market provides the great engine but there is reasonable agreement that those on the express train leave something behind for those less fortunate. Protestations that a free market and a system of social protection cannot co-exist are pure propaganda, and quite false. Free markets and social services can and have been co-existing perfectly well in many places and at many times.

[Metsfanmax]

So socialists are really libertarians in disguise? Bernie Sanders is really an Austro LIbertarian in disguise?

Willy Brandt was.

Many others, too.

Trying to paint socialists with Leninist brush is just as bad as trying to paint them with a Marxist brush.

The great Democratic Socialist nations of Europe firmly reject communism. It's completely possible to have a hybrid economy, where a free market provides the great engine but there is reasonable agreement that those on the express train leave something behind for those less fortunate. Protestations that a free market and a system of social protection cannot co-exist are pure propaganda, and quite false. Free markets and social services can and have been co-existing perfectly well in many places and at many times.

If patches' claim is to have validity, then, he would have to show evidence that these nations are moving towards communism over time. Does he have any?