Conquer Club

saxitoxin wrote:The UK has a very serious problem with knife crime. If knives were banned I'm certain the UK would have a serious problem with stick crime. It happens that sticks aren't as lethal as knives, nor knives as lethal as guns.

How about a board with nails?

here is what happened when Gage tried to take our arms



followed by this

Phatscotty wrote:here is what happened when Gage tried to take our arms



followed by this

Perhaps an explanation is in order? Neither of those links seem particularly relevant.

Symmetry wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:here is what happened when Gage tried to take our arms



followed by this

Perhaps an explanation is in order? Neither of those links seem particularly relevant.

The links represent the birth of American Gun culture

Phatscotty wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:here is what happened when Gage tried to take our arms



followed by this

Perhaps an explanation is in order? Neither of those links seem particularly relevant.

The links represent the birth of American Gun culture

How?

Symmetry wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:here is what happened when Gage tried to take our arms



followed by this

Perhaps an explanation is in order? Neither of those links seem particularly relevant.

The links represent the birth of American Gun culture

How?

Well, what did you see in the first link?

All is clear now

Symmetry wrote:All is clear now

The second amendment was born in the first linkwhen King George tried to take our guns away and Gage did not succeed, and nursed in the second link with the Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights.

It wouldn't kill you check the links out Symm. I always look at yours

Phatscotty wrote:

Symmetry wrote:All is clear now

The second amendment was born in the first linkwhen King George tried to take our guns away and Gage did not succeed, and nursed in the second link with the Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights.

It wouldn't kill you check the links out Symm. I always look at yours

And this relates to whether our gun culture makes our society more violent, how, exactly?

PLAYER57832 wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

Symmetry wrote:All is clear now

The second amendment was born in the first linkwhen King George tried to take our guns away and Gage did not succeed, and nursed in the second link with the Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights.

It wouldn't kill you check the links out Symm. I always look at yours

And this relates to whether our gun culture makes our society more violent, how, exactly?

The links relate to American Gun Culture. However if you want to expand the topic into the discussion about whether it makes society more violent, I would point to especially the first clip about how the British tried to cease our arms and failed, which allowed us to keep our arms and we succeeded in protecting ourselves and our families from tyranny.

In my first clip, which is historically accurate, guns didn't make our society more violent, guns made our society safer. It was the way Britain used the guns against us to rob us of our defense that was the violent act.

As for society today and gun culture today, I would have to point out the morals of the people are disappearing, no doubt from the effectiveness of most progressives and most atheists and most social justice worshippers constantly arguing how their are no morals, there is no right or wrong, good or evil. They argue if it feels good, do it, and if one need something bad enough, one can justify taking it. Under that empty and perverse world view, guns culture is not the only thing that will lead to violence in society...just look at the class warfare over workers earnings and the rhetoric that comes with it.

The soul of the people and their rights have been under attack for as long as I have been alive. Rather than building society up and making is stronger, we have been tearing it down and promoting our weaknesses; rather than protecting rights for all in the name of a few, we have been taking rights from all in the name of an unfortunate few.

Phatscotty wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

Symmetry wrote:All is clear now

The second amendment was born in the first linkwhen King George tried to take our guns away and Gage did not succeed, and nursed in the second link with the Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights.

It wouldn't kill you check the links out Symm. I always look at yours

And this relates to whether our gun culture makes our society more violent, how, exactly?

The links relate to American Gun Culture. However if you want to expand the topic into the discussion about whether it makes society more violent, I would point to especially the first clip about how the British tried to cease our arms and failed, which allowed us to keep our arms and we succeeded in protecting ourselves and our families from tyranny. .

The topic was whether American gun culture leads to violance. All you are doing is reciting your same old, tired "they are out to take our guns!" garbage. No one is trying to take your guns. We are trying to have an honest discussion about whether our culture does or does not creat more violance.

AND.. again, the greatest threat to sane people's liberty are the insane idiots who insist that even discussing these things means "they are out to take our guns!". ... i.e. people like YOU are the greatest threat to my sons' having their guns.

Meh look, on the outside it looks strange, and living inside it looks weird.

1) The US owns a lot of guns, and gun ownership is part of the culture, so much so that advocating any element that might restrict ownership of guns is kind of a minus point for politicians.

2) Other countries have similar rates of gun ownership. They do not have similar rates of gun crime.

3) The UK has a problem with knife crime, and I think it's to do with the culture of knives in the UK.

At some point it might be worth considering that maybe the US has a problem about how it thinks about guns.

Symmetry wrote:At some point it might be worth considering that maybe the US has a problem about how it thinks about guns.

Yes, but as long as folks like Phattscotty leap in and label any kind of discussion at all as an attempt to just take guns from law abiding citizens, then the rules will be set in the extremes, not with sense.

I like my arms where they are.

PLAYER57832 wrote:

Symmetry wrote:At some point it might be worth considering that maybe the US has a problem about how it thinks about guns.

Yes, but as long as folks like Phattscotty leap in and label any kind of discussion at all as an attempt to just take guns from law abiding citizens, then the rules will be set in the extremes, not with sense.

the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

ETERNALLLLL!

Eternal E. E. 1999 Eternal

Also a murder rate 4 times that of the UK.

Symmetry wrote:Also a murder rate 4 times that of the UK.

good for you.

Phatscotty wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:

Symmetry wrote:At some point it might be worth considering that maybe the US has a problem about how it thinks about guns.

Yes, but as long as folks like Phattscotty leap in and label any kind of discussion at all as an attempt to just take guns from law abiding citizens, then the rules will be set in the extremes, not with sense.

the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

ETERNALLLLL!

EXACTLY why we keep calling you to task!

Symmetry do/have you owned a fire extinguisher? Is it because you fantasize rescuing people from a burning building?
How about a first aid kit, Do you fantasize being a hero and saving lives?
Or maybe you just believe in being prepared? Owning a gun is no different. It doesn't necessarily mean you indulge in fantasies.

Just remember "when seconds count, the police are minutes away"

Police/Firefighters/EMS are First RESPONDERS...They respond to crime/fire/emergencies. They rarely prevent them.

mgourley wrote:Symmetry do/have you owned a fire extinguisher? Is it because you fantasize rescuing people from a burning building?
How about a first aid kit, Do you fantasize being a hero and saving lives?
Or maybe you just believe in being prepared? Owning a gun is no different. It doesn't necessarily mean you indulge in fantasies.

Just remember "when seconds count, the police are minutes away"

Police/Firefighters/EMS are First RESPONDERS...They respond to crime/fire/emergencies. They rarely prevent them.

And here we go...

The difference is, in the hands of a criminal, a fire extinguisher has a limited capability for havoc.

PLAYER57832 wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:

Symmetry wrote:At some point it might be worth considering that maybe the US has a problem about how it thinks about guns.

Yes, but as long as folks like Phattscotty leap in and label any kind of discussion at all as an attempt to just take guns from law abiding citizens, then the rules will be set in the extremes, not with sense.

the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

ETERNALLLLL!

EXACTLY why we keep calling you to task!

hey you dropped my music Don't you like Bone Thugz?

Lootifer wrote: The difference is, in the hands of a criminal, a fire extinguisher has a limited capability for havoc.

You would be mistaken in that thought. (but no, I am not going to clarify.. )

mgourley wrote:Symmetry do/have you owned a fire extinguisher? Is it because you fantasize rescuing people from a burning building?
How about a first aid kit, Do you fantasize being a hero and saving lives?
Or maybe you just believe in being prepared? Owning a gun is no different. It doesn't necessarily mean you indulge in fantasies.

Just remember "when seconds count, the police are minutes away"

Police/Firefighters/EMS are First RESPONDERS...They respond to crime/fire/emergencies. They rarely prevent them.

In my experience, most people who own guns own them for reasons other than personal protection against criminals. However, most people who do not own guns seem to think that is why people own them.

mgourley wrote:Symmetry do/have you owned a fire extinguisher? Is it because you fantasize rescuing people from a burning building?
How about a first aid kit, Do you fantasize being a hero and saving lives?
Or maybe you just believe in being prepared? Owning a gun is no different. It doesn't necessarily mean you indulge in fantasies.

Just remember "when seconds count, the police are minutes away"

Police/Firefighters/EMS are First RESPONDERS...They respond to crime/fire/emergencies. They rarely prevent them.

I do own a fire extinguisher, yes, and fire extinguishers cannot be used to start fires.

So maybe owning a gun is a bit different.