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[Phatscotty]

Health-care reform opposers are not trying to force anything on anyone. Health care-reform proponents are trying to force something on everyone. It's REAL SIMPLE

[Snorri1234]

Health-care reform opposers are not trying to force anything on anyone. Health care-reform proponents are trying to force something on everyone. It's REAL SIMPLE

Of course, since the thing they are forcing on everyone is better for everyone it's sort of retarded to oppose it.

[Phatscotty]

Health-care reform opposers are not trying to force anything on anyone. Health care-reform proponents are trying to force something on everyone. It's REAL SIMPLE

Of course, since the thing they are forcing on everyone is better for everyone it's sort of retarded to oppose it.

leave it to a lib to tell someone whats good for them. How about the concept of having a choice ya DEFINITION OF A FACIST YA! Ta!

[Snorri1234]

leave it to a lib to tell someone whats good for them.

Indeed.

How about the concept of having a choice ya DEFINITION OF A FACIST YA! Ta!

I don't believe you should have a choice in the matter. Human beings are incredibly bad at making long-term choices.

[Phatscotty]

leave it to a lib to tell someone whats good for them.

Indeed.

How about the concept of having a choice ya DEFINITION OF A FACIST YA! Ta!

I don't believe you should have a choice in the matter. Human beings are incredibly bad at making long-term choices.

Well, your logic absolutely 100% contradicts your statements, since I agree human are incredibly bad at making long-term choices, which is why I oppose you on health care ya goofy sob

[Snorri1234]

Well, your logic absolutely 100% contradicts your statements, since I agree human are incredibly bad at making long-term choices, which is why I oppose you on health care ya goofy sob

Are you retarded?

I mean seriously? Because if you are I apologize.

[Phatscotty]

Well, your logic absolutely 100% contradicts your statements, since I agree human are incredibly bad at making long-term choices, which is why I oppose you on health care ya goofy sob

Are you retarded?

I mean seriously? Because if you are I apologize.

are you saying that aliens are gonna decide healthcare?

[Snorri1234]

Now anyway, if you are not retarded, I'd like to explain why I am fucking right. (Which is coincidentally the name of my band.)

The thing about insurance is that it only works if people rationally acknowledge that insurance is a smart idea. However, human beings do not work that way. So what you get is that young people do not get insurance because they can not actually imagine they will get seriously sick. They seriously fucking can't, not even in abstraction. So the time they will get insurance will be when they're older and actually can imagine getting sick. But an insurance-system where you only get into when you believe you get sick can not work.



Also, I talk bullshit. f*ck it, I talks what the truth is.

[Phatscotty]

Now anyway, if you are not retarded, I'd like to explain why I am fucking right. (Which is coincidentally the name of my band.)

The thing about insurance is that it only works if people rationally acknowledge that insurance is a smart idea. However, human beings do not work that way. So what you get is that young people do not get insurance because they can not actually imagine they will get seriously sick. They seriously fucking can't, not even in abstraction. So the time they will get insurance will be when they're older and actually can imagine getting sick. But an insurance-system where you only get into when you believe you get sick can not work.



Also, I talk bullshit. f*ck it, I talks what the truth is.

hmm, well i guess its just an abslolute mystery then how young people ever survived long enough to repopulate the earth. oh and another thing about being young, you have family! worry about yourself and stop tryin to force shit on other people.

[Snorri1234]

Well, your logic absolutely 100% contradicts your statements, since I agree human are incredibly bad at making long-term choices, which is why I oppose you on health care ya goofy sob

Are you retarded?

I mean seriously? Because if you are I apologize.

are you saying that aliens are gonna decide healthcare?

No. Nobody is going to decide health care. The awesome thing here is that neither the government nor the private companies actually get to decide. They will have to fund regardless.


There will be no decisions made over people, they pay and get care. They can't not pay so they will get care despite lunatic raving about "personal choice" and "free markets".

[Snorri1234]

hmm, well i guess its just an abslolute mystery then how young people ever survived long enough to repopulate the earth. oh and another thing about being young, you have family! worry about yourself and stop tryin to force shit on other people.

What? There is absolutely no mystery about us managing to breed so much. That's patently ridiculous. Young people are not prone to getting sick, but old people are and young people turn into old people.

That's the entire point. Young people are unable to realize they will eventually turn into old people. But insurance only works if you pay into it from the earliest possible moment. So when young people don't get insurance the entire system fails.


And umh...what's family got to do with it?

[PopeBenXVI]

hmm, well i guess its just an abslolute mystery then how young people ever survived long enough to repopulate the earth. oh and another thing about being young, you have family! worry about yourself and stop tryin to force shit on other people.

What? There is absolutely no mystery about us managing to breed so much. That's patently ridiculous. Young people are not prone to getting sick, but old people are and young people turn into old people.

That's the entire point. Young people are unable to realize they will eventually turn into old people. But insurance only works if you pay into it from the earliest possible moment. So when young people don't get insurance the entire system fails.


And umh...what's family got to do with it?

I am concerned someone has highjacked your account. There were no "F"bombs in that post.

[Phatscotty]

Doing healthcare now when WE have so much debt is like maxing out your last credit card of 8,000, and then deciding to charge a mansion on it. I will allow you to do all the stupid little things you desire in life and ruin whatever you wish, until it affects me. You make this country broke, you catch one to the jaw. thats a promise

[Frigidus]

Doing healthcare now when WE have so much debt is like maxing out your last credit card of 8,000, and then deciding to charge a mansion on it. I will allow you to do all the stupid little things you desire in life and ruin whatever you wish, until it affects me. You make this country broke, you catch one to the jaw. thats a promise

I wouldn't want to entirely eliminate spending on the police or military because of hard times, and I see health care as just as important as either of those.

[PLAYER57832]

Doing healthcare now when WE have so much debt is like maxing out your last credit card of 8,000, and then deciding to charge a mansion on it. I will allow you to do all the stupid little things you desire in life and ruin whatever you wish, until it affects me. You make this country broke, you catch one to the jaw. thats a promise

I wouldn't want to entirely eliminate spending on the police or military because of hard times, and I see health care as just as important as either of those.

Particularly when healthcare is a big reason so many people are in debt to begin with. And, is the biggest looming future cost for the government AND us if some solutions are not found now.

[GabonX]

hmm, well i guess its just an abslolute mystery then how young people ever survived long enough to repopulate the earth. oh and another thing about being young, you have family! worry about yourself and stop tryin to force shit on other people.

What? There is absolutely no mystery about us managing to breed so much. That's patently ridiculous. Young people are not prone to getting sick, but old people are and young people turn into old people.

That's the entire point. Young people are unable to realize they will eventually turn into old people. But insurance only works if you pay into it from the earliest possible moment. So when young people don't get insurance the entire system fails.


And umh...what's family got to do with it?

Doing healthcare now when WE have so much debt is like maxing out your last credit card of 8,000, and then deciding to charge a mansion on it. I will allow you to do all the stupid little things you desire in life and ruin whatever you wish, until it affects me. You make this country broke, you catch one to the jaw. thats a promise

I wouldn't want to entirely eliminate spending on the police or military because of hard times, and I see health care as just as important as either of those.

Particularly when healthcare is a big reason so many people are in debt to begin with. And, is the biggest looming future cost for the government AND us if some solutions are not found now.

I am concerned someone has highjacked your account. There were no "F"bombs in that post.

I have a solution...

The Government should not pay for health care.
Problem solved.

[PopeBenXVI]

Doing healthcare now when WE have so much debt is like maxing out your last credit card of 8,000, and then deciding to charge a mansion on it. I will allow you to do all the stupid little things you desire in life and ruin whatever you wish, until it affects me. You make this country broke, you catch one to the jaw. thats a promise

I wouldn't want to entirely eliminate spending on the police or military because of hard times, and I see health care as just as important as either of those.

Particularly when healthcare is a big reason so many people are in debt to begin with. And, is the biggest looming future cost for the government AND us if some solutions are not found now.

A bigger looming cost is people don't live within their means which is also one of the reasons for the meltdown. We should add another tax on the evil rich to help people pay off their credit card debt.

[PLAYER57832]

Doing healthcare now when WE have so much debt is like maxing out your last credit card of 8,000, and then deciding to charge a mansion on it. I will allow you to do all the stupid little things you desire in life and ruin whatever you wish, until it affects me. You make this country broke, you catch one to the jaw. thats a promise

I wouldn't want to entirely eliminate spending on the police or military because of hard times, and I see health care as just as important as either of those.

Particularly when healthcare is a big reason so many people are in debt to begin with. And, is the biggest looming future cost for the government AND us if some solutions are not found now.

A bigger looming cost is people don't live within their means which is also one of the reasons for the meltdown. We should add another tax on the evil rich to help people pay off their credit card debt.

Healthcare is expensive and very uneven in the US because it is based on profit and its just more profitable to insure people who pay premiums, but don't get sick. Next, Drug companies get to rely on government research for all but the most profitable drugs, and then can make a profit on the things they don't even discover or invent anyway. Further, the insurance companies' and even drug companies profits' are from employers and not the people using the insurace.

And while many people have absolutely lived outside their means, up until this past year the major reason for bankruptcy was medical bills. Now, its losing a job.

And anyone who has gotten wealthy in the past 20 years can thank a system that did not require them to pay fully for the expenses they encured for our children and the nation. So, yes, a few extra taxes are in order now.

[Phatscotty]

I wouldn't want to entirely eliminate spending on the police or military because of hard times, and I see health care as just as important as either of those.[/quote]
Particularly when healthcare is a big reason so many people are in debt to begin with. And, is the biggest looming future cost for the government AND us if some solutions are not found now.[/quote]

A bigger looming cost is people don't live within their means which is also one of the reasons for the meltdown. We should add another tax on the evil rich to help people pay off their credit card debt.[/quote]

Healthcare is expensive and very uneven in the US because it is based on profit and its just more profitable to insure people who pay premiums, but don't get sick. Next, Drug companies get to rely on government research for all but the most profitable drugs, and then can make a profit on the things they don't even discover or invent anyway. Further, the insurance companies' and even drug companies profits' are from employers and not the people using the insurace.

And while many people have absolutely lived outside their means, up until this past year the major reason for bankruptcy was medical bills. Now, its losing a job.

And anyone who has gotten wealthy in the past 30 years can thank a system that did not require them to pay fully for the expenses they encured for our children and the nation. So, yes, a few extra taxes are in order now.[/quote]
at least now we are able to communicate

[PopeBenXVI]

Doing healthcare now when WE have so much debt is like maxing out your last credit card of 8,000, and then deciding to charge a mansion on it. I will allow you to do all the stupid little things you desire in life and ruin whatever you wish, until it affects me. You make this country broke, you catch one to the jaw. thats a promise

I wouldn't want to entirely eliminate spending on the police or military because of hard times, and I see health care as just as important as either of those.

Particularly when healthcare is a big reason so many people are in debt to begin with. And, is the biggest looming future cost for the government AND us if some solutions are not found now.

A bigger looming cost is people don't live within their means which is also one of the reasons for the meltdown. We should add another tax on the evil rich to help people pay off their credit card debt.

Healthcare is expensive and very uneven in the US because it is based on profit and its just more profitable to insure people who pay premiums, but don't get sick. Next, Drug companies get to rely on government research for all but the most profitable drugs, and then can make a profit on the things they don't even discover or invent anyway. Further, the insurance companies' and even drug companies profits' are from employers and not the people using the insurace.

And while many people have absolutely lived outside their means, up until this past year the major reason for bankruptcy was medical bills. Now, its losing a job.

And anyone who has gotten wealthy in the past 20 years can thank a system that did not require them to pay fully for the expenses they encured for our children and the nation. So, yes, a few extra taxes are in order now.

Stop companies from making profit and tax the evil rich who have made money in the last 20 years. Now there is a economic plan we can believe in. Drug companies make the most money on the drugs they sell to everyone like blood pressure meds and made up things like "chronic" dry eye syndrome. Those are not meds the government researches. Drug companies forgo researching things like new antibiotics we will need very soon so they can make more cholesterol drugs to sell to millions every day and advertise for every 5 seconds.

If a major reason for bankruptcies is healthcare bills that still does not mean that the gov should provide it. If you can't afford a car it's not the gov's job to provide you with transportation to your job 20 miles away. It's an endless cycle of taxes for big spending. Basically nothing is done within budget....EVER, in Gov. Your asking a burglar to house sit for you because he has assured you he knows criminals better and can protect your home better but when you get back you will be cleaned out from him. You are handing over control of your house to a thief who is harder to control than the one outside your home trying to get it.
Still wondering where your tax limit is. At what % do you believe one is being taxed too much or is there no limit in your eyes? Just keep taxing until you can pay for every program Gov says is necessary?

[stahrgazer]

There's also another point, pro-nationwide healthcare, that was not brought up.

Currently, insurance companies negotiate with physicians and hospitals to get reduced rates for whichever procedures. Average Joe Citizen who has no health insurance has to pay the regular, non-reduced rate. Similarly, insurance companies get reduced rates for pharmaceuticals.

In some cases, the difference between what Average Joe must pay and what the insurance companies negotiated is 80% of the bill.

A system where everyone is insured would help to promote insurance companies and Average Joe to having the same rate.

If citizens had gotten the same rates as insurance companies get over the past 20 years, it's possible there would have been less bankruptcies; people might have been able to make payments on 20% of what they were charged, so had to bankrupt over.

[Titanic]

Stop companies from making profit and tax the evil rich who have made money in the last 20 years. Now there is a economic plan we can believe in. Drug companies make the most money on the drugs they sell to everyone like blood pressure meds and made up things like "chronic" dry eye syndrome. Those are not meds the government researches. Drug companies forgo researching things like new antibiotics we will need very soon so they can make more cholesterol drugs to sell to millions every day and advertise for every 5 seconds.

If a major reason for bankruptcies is healthcare bills that still does not mean that the gov should provide it. If you can't afford a car it's not the gov's job to provide you with transportation to your job 20 miles away. It's an endless cycle of taxes for big spending. Basically nothing is done within budget....EVER, in Gov. Your asking a burglar to house sit for you because he has assured you he knows criminals better and can protect your home better but when you get back you will be cleaned out from him. You are handing over control of your house to a thief who is harder to control than the one outside your home trying to get it.
Still wondering where your tax limit is. At what % do you believe one is being taxed too much or is there no limit in your eyes? Just keep taxing until you can pay for every program Gov says is necessary?

Healthcare isn anything like a car, the comparison isnt relevant. If your ill and you have a choice between death and bankruptcy, which would you choose? Also, your assumption that nothing is done within budget by the government is false. The governments runs loads of different things (police, fire, army, civil service, transport etc..) and do tens of thousands of things every year, you think every single one is over budget? No. Its just the right wing media picks up everytime something goes wrong. Private companies also go heavily over budget and deliver badly, see the new Wembley Stadium for example.

Also its not taxing everything the government wants to, its not even taxing. You can choose whether you pay into their system or into private insurance.

[Snorri1234]

If a major reason for bankruptcies is healthcare bills that still does not mean that the gov should provide it. If you can't afford a car it's not the gov's job to provide you with transportation to your job 20 miles away.

"If you can't afford to get sick, don't get sick!"

That's an interesting way of thinking about it, I wonder why noone else has tried it before.

[GabonX]

People who don't smoke and drink every day have tried it

[Snorri1234]

People who don't smoke and drink every day have tried it

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Holy shit, you are completely retarded.