[OFFICIAL] Lion King Mafia - Town Scarred as Mafia Wins!

[Minister Masket]

chu my dear, for getting you mixed up with MM you have my apologies, the only thing i can say in my behalf is that ive been ridiculously spacey lately, like staring into the emptiness for 2 hous spacey heh, but what i said still holds true

I actually don't know who should be more offended by the mix-up - myself or Fircoal.

ok i think he was the chosen target over you because even thought you made your case, you were very half assed about it, basically you said some diplomatic wishy washy story about being ok with no lynch, but also ok with ppl voting each other for get info out of it, is like you posted for the sake of post, but didnt want to get on anyones bad side, and seems it worked, kudos, you still smell slightly fishy to me so ill FOS MM

Pffft, I knew it was an 'on-the-fence' post before I even wrote the damn thing! Unfortunately there's no real way of getting out of that, it's genuinely how I feel about a Day 1 lynch - both sides have a point.



I don't accept posting "for the sake of posting" though, especially when there's 3 or 4 players currently not saying much at all *coughSkoffincough*

[Skoffin]

Soz, but I'm not going to be doing much shoulder patting in regards to our vig as you lot are keen to do. While it is great that a scummy was taking out, I do believe luck had more to do with it than any particular skill. I do believe Ragian would have made the same posts regardless of alignment, just as I believe DDS would make the same argument regardless of alignment. There is a line players cross when they stopped arguing a point based on the current game but based on the principle of what they believe in regards to games in general, and I believe both players mentioned are past that line and thus gleaning their alignment from it is not going to be entirely accurate. My opinion happens to be that vigs should never act D1/N1 because they almost always shoot towns, and oddly they mostly get powerroles, as they vastly overestimate their own skills is finding scum. Good our vig got someone, but hopefully they don't choose to shoot every chance they get and turn this one time boon into a disaster.

Btw, Mandy, as a counter to your anecdotal evidence on why you should lynch no voters because you caught scum that way one time - my experience has been that majority of people that try to no lynch D1 happen to be town

As for the whole lynching argument, I'm only going to say that town should always lynch when they can - the only time town should no lynch is when the towns nightgame is stronger than the scums nightgame.

I can see the points made on Masket, on the other hand being on the fence is sortof his trademark. I'll reserve judgement for now.
Dakky is probably town, mostly because he seems exactly the sort of person to start shooting people the moment he's able to.

Now about the lovely but scummy skoff, i didnt realize that my vote was the fourth, but is not like i putted her at lynch -1, -2, heck not even -3, that was hardly a BW, but as things are my vote stands for now, yeah i might be joking when i say that she is ever scummy, but putting a vote on day 1 on someone who not only scummarine a lot, but also admitted to be skimming seemed, and still seems a good and logic day 1 choice to me, oh and by the way the dead scum also admited to skim before his early dismiss heh (classic scum signs are classic for a reason, they work )

While I don't think there is enough of anything to warrant finding you scummy, I do think "I didn't realise my vote was" is a bit of a cop out. Regardless of mods giving vote counts players should pay attention to how many votes are going where. Slight amusement that you call me out for scumarining a lot as justification for my apparent scummyness when you've done a fair bit of it yourself. For the record, I didn't say I was skimming - I said I didn't read it at all

And i think DDS was not chosen as a target because as opposed to your strategy he was extremely loud and out there voicing his thoughts, normally experienced scum try to keep a low profile like skoff or kwan, or look helpful to town,

Rooooood! I do believe that I have shown that, if anything, I can be quite vocal when I am scum. Hrrrmpf!

I was already half way to a lynch, lul. Pretty irresponsible for town to get carried away like that, so probably a good place to start to look for scummies.

...and with those words, the good ship Skoffin submerged for four days and counting. It's almost like she only participated in Day 1 conversation when there was a bandwagon forming on her. Townie behavior? I think not!

FOS Skoffin

I'm literally quoting this because I enjoyed the particular elegance of your phrasing.

[Skoffin]

Also, sorry for Drunk Pika.

You people are talking too much nonsense for me.

Chu, where did that quote in your signature come from?

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... &start=600

Also hi. VOTE MANDY.

Well at least you quoted a game where I solo won as myself

[FloresDelMal]

I agree with you on this, Flores, especially on Masket. To me, Masket seems to be in a genuine oh shit moment, basically like "I have to play REALLY well this game because if I don't then I'm going to be caught out, like my scum buddy Ragian."

I'm actually going to Vote Minister Masket. I'm also going to FOS Madmitch because the latter has been trying to seem interested in the discussion yet also just positing nonsense (again...).

For the moment i wont change my vote but i do agree that something smells rotten with madmitch, he looks like scum pitting townies against each other and sitting back to enjoy the show FOS Madmitch

chu my dear, for getting you mixed up with MM you have my apologies, the only thing i can say in my behalf is that ive been ridiculously spacey lately, like staring into the emptiness for 2 hous spacey heh, but what i said still holds true

I actually don't know who should be more offended by the mix-up - myself or Fircoal.

ok i think he was the chosen target over you because even thought you made your case, you were very half assed about it, basically you said some diplomatic wishy washy story about being ok with no lynch, but also ok with ppl voting each other for get info out of it, is like you posted for the sake of post, but didnt want to get on anyones bad side, and seems it worked, kudos, you still smell slightly fishy to me so ill FOS MM

Pffft, I knew it was an 'on-the-fence' post before I even wrote the damn thing! Unfortunately there's no real way of getting out of that, it's genuinely how I feel about a Day 1 lynch - both sides have a point.



I don't accept posting "for the sake of posting" though, especially when there's 3 or 4 players currently not saying much at all *coughSkoffincough*

Damn it seems this will be my most apologectically game in history heh, sorry my sweet but you should take it as a compliment, it means i think that most of the time you make more sense than the chu

And about the way you adressed my FOS, seriously it will take more than throw shade on skoff to clear yourself

As for the whole lynching argument, I'm only going to say that town should always lynch when they can - the only time town should no lynch is when the towns nightgame is stronger than the scums nightgame.

I can see the points made on Masket, on the other hand being on the fence is sortof his trademark. I'll reserve judgement for now.
Dakky is probably town, mostly because he seems exactly the sort of person to start shooting people the moment he's able to.

Now about the lovely but scummy skoff, i didnt realize that my vote was the fourth, but is not like i putted her at lynch -1, -2, heck not even -3, that was hardly a BW, but as things are my vote stands for now, yeah i might be joking when i say that she is ever scummy, but putting a vote on day 1 on someone who not only scummarine a lot, but also admitted to be skimming seemed, and still seems a good and logic day 1 choice to me, oh and by the way the dead scum also admited to skim before his early dismiss heh (classic scum signs are classic for a reason, they work )

While I don't think there is enough of anything to warrant finding you scummy, I do think "I didn't realise my vote was" is a bit of a cop out. Regardless of mods giving vote counts players should pay attention to how many votes are going where. Slight amusement that you call me out for scumarining a lot as justification for my apparent scummyness when you've done a fair bit of it yourself. For the record, I didn't say I was skimming - I said I didn't read it at all
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Skoff can you please elaborate more about dakky, you lost me there, i have not seen anything indicating that he could be town or scum, and also about MM i have been out of the mafia scene for so long that i dont remember much about his playing style, but in my vague memories i remember him as a good player, it doesnt match with half assed being his "trademark" but my memory is indeed cloudy, so if you could enlighten me i couldnt thank you enough

I suck at keeping vote counts, thats why i trust the mods, is their job after all, but it seems super weird to me the way you exaggeratedly reacted at the so called BW and even called a witch hunt, like if everyone who voted skoff must be scum seems like a super easy breezy way to try to get townies distracted from all the scumminess that is going on

Now about the submarining and the pot calling the kettle black business, you do have a point, but since i never log in i took longer than most to realize that the game had already started, and when i actually checked my role pm things were well into the joke vote stage, so to me it feels like i have been active, just that i prefer to adress to several concerns at once instead of doing individual posts for every little thing, i have always been fond of walls of text, heck i have read everything here; including the web generated funny text of kwan (which is only funnier if i replace skoff for fuku, our dog name)

Because i read and re read before posting it takes time, then i was on easter holidays with the frenchy and i forgot to pack my comp, and he forgot the tablet, so there goes a couple of days on standby, i accused you of skimming, you boldly said you didnt even bother to read, which is even worst, so what is your excuse for not posting

[ga7]

Vote Count :

• Tim (1) Dakky
  Skoff (1) Flores
  Kwan (1) Mitch
  DDS (2) Mandy, Kwan
  No lunch (1) Samlen
  Samlen (1) Fircoal
  Firacle (1) Tim
  Masket (1) Skittles

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch!

[madmitch]

I am not trying to pit anyone against anyone, just trying to read all these mile long posts and understand what's what? , But I herd what you all are saying and I will try to post more.

[mandalorian2298]

Now that MOST of the people have reacted to Ragians demise, we have much more info analyse (provided that we don't hold to any superstition that forbids Day 1 thinking )

Firstly: is Djfireside still playing this game? If he is he has been submarrining since Tuesday. A non-transferable FOS Djfireside (if he is subbed than this says nothing about the role)

Secondly, a disclaimer. If there is scum to be found among the following players: Mitch, dakky and Tim; then I fear that I am not going to be of much use in finding him out. They don't post much and keep their posts short. I haven't cought a scent of scumminess of any one of them, but I fear that says more about my inability to gather clues of their alligment from their posts (at least at this point) then about their guilt or innocence.

The remaining 9 players (discounting for the moment not-yet-replaced-Master Bush) have all reacted to Ragians demise.
Three reactions have given, at least potential, evidence in favour of writter being Town, which shall gain weight if the target of their current persecution is proven Scum. Logically, I am convinced that the best choice for for the Day 1 Rope End Dancer is among their respective targets.

1) Fircoal's vote against Samlen

Unvote. Vote: Samlen

It feels like you're parroting what others had said now that the coast is clear. I just find it funny that you weren't talking up a storm like DDS back when it seemed less popular but you're willing to stick your neck out NOW. Feels like weird timing to me.

This is a good catch by chu and it parallels my own thinking about Samlen. As I have indicated earlier (while I had been provoking reactions) I was curious to see whis method of damage control Samlen would choose to distance himself from Ragian and the whole "No Lynch Tolerance" party. What he did was something that I might very well choose to do, were I in his shoes and were those shoes Scummy shoes: he defiantly voted no lynch. The message that I feel he is trying to communicate is: "The 'No Lynch' cause is dear to my heart; so dear in fact that I will bravely face martyrdom to do what's right: to vote No Lynch!" *jaw - clenched, single tear - optional*

Which is an even bigger pile of manure now then it was before Ragian's death, since now most of us (with exception of the possible investigative roles) have the same amount of information that we would have at the beginning of Day 2, to wit, one body minus the head.
As Fircoal points out, this is a weird time for Sam to stick his neck like that, which makes me think that he is not sticking it out so much as flaunting it, in what he hopes is townly manner. FOS Samlen

2) Flores's vote against Skoffin

Thank you for your kind words Skoffin.

So, here is why it might be groovy to lynch her:

Now about the lovely but scummy skoff, i didnt realize that my vote was the fourth, but is not like i putted her at lynch -1, -2, heck not even -3, that was hardly a BW, but as things are my vote stands for now, yeah i might be joking when i say that she is ever scummy, but putting a vote on day 1 on someone who not only scummarine a lot, but also admitted to be skimming seemed, and still seems a good and logic day 1 choice to me, oh and by the way the dead scum also admited to skim before his early dismiss heh (classic scum signs are classic for a reason, they work )

This last part of Flores' quote IMO shows the flaw in the logic behind calling Day 1 lynch "random". There is such thing as scum tells. How many there are to be found depends on Scum's skill and will they be found and interpreted correctly depends on Town's skill, but the Town is far from helpless during Day 1. It's like that American saying about trespassers: "It's not the matter of 'if' - it's a matter of shooting at your bushes enough times."

Skoffin stopped posting for four days. Then I called her out on that. She came back, tried to defend herself, reacted to Flores' accusation and said he has a good feeling about dakky. That's basicaly it. Her play translates to: Avoid being lynch and scum can take care of themselves.

FOS Skoffin. Also, while emotionaly I would prefer to see if I'm right about Samlen, Skoffin is by far the most solid lynch target at this point so unvote vote Skoffin

3) Skittles's (sharing is caring, Flores ) vote against Minister Masket

I would like to clarify that, as a Day 1 lynch choice, I consider Masket to be a distant third behind Samlen and Skoffin. That being said, Masket's understated presence throught Day 1 makes him, at very least, more likely to be Scum then Town.

Hey there; wish i had posted sooner but i was too busy baking a cake for the day vig, woohoo way to go

Spoiler

i think Skoffin is scum, what with the skimreading already and whatnot, why does she always look scummy, anyway i always think Skoffin is scum therefore unvote vote Skoff

I can't tell if this is a joke vote or not but this is the 4th vote on Skoffin. Either way it feels a bit suspisious to me.
In summary I'm slightly suspicous of Mandy and Flores. Mandy seems to be interested in a Skoffin lynch without much ryhme or reason. He also happens to be Mandy. Flores jumped in for the 4th vote without a strong case to do so, nor a manner of jokingness that usually is joined with those type of votes.

chu my dear, for getting you mixed up with MM you have my apologies, the only thing i can say in my behalf is that ive been ridiculously spacey lately, like staring into the emptiness for 2 hous spacey heh, but what i said still holds true

Now about the lovely but scummy skoff, i didnt realize that my vote was the fourth, but is not like i putted her at lynch -1, -2, heck not even -3, that was hardly a BW, but as things are my vote stands for now, yeah i might be joking when i say that she is ever scummy, but putting a vote on day 1 on someone who not only scummarine a lot, but also admitted to be skimming seemed, and still seems a good and logic day 1 choice to me, oh and by the way the dead scum also admited to skim before his early dismiss heh (classic scum signs are classic for a reason, they work )

DDS has explained his position, which he also did in BNI.

Does anyone knows if DDS has been cleared as town in this BNI thingy; i, not really into meta but could be interesting to take into consideration, as things stand in the fishy relationship between the corpse and DDS, oh btw FOS DDS

Confrontation, by itself serves little purpose. Only when a lynch is done, and the role of the lynched is revealed, can the confrontation be put into context, the posts and votes interpreted and the deductions made.

QFT enough been said (anymore yapping and i could suggest to mandy and dds to get a room because this starts to look like tsundere flirting to me)

As interesting as Ragian's death is, i'm more curious as to why you've ignored the fact that I was for a day 1 no-lynch? If you're claiming to be the day vig then whatever but otherwise I'd like an answer cause hounding one player for wanting a day 1 no-lynch and ignoring another is weird at best.

Well i dont live in mandys head, but i suppose you werent granted as much attention as the corpse and DDS simply because after stating your case you werent annoyingly obsessed with repeating yourself over and over, in other words, you made your point heard but didnt preach about it, congratulations in not being a drag, and sorry if you wanted more attention

That's an amazing shot by whoever the Vigilante is, but I can't help feeling majorly confused about how exactly Ragian was nailed on as a valid target.
If the reasoning was the stance on mandy, then why was DDS (who pushed way harder) not the target? Or myself who held a similar view?
It makes me think it was either a completely random choice that seriously lucked out, or there's some more day action shenanigans going on behind the scenes.

Whatever the case, it makes me think that mandy is town. I can't see Ragian pushing a fellow scum partner quite that hard so early on.

ok i think he was the chosen target over you because even thought you made your case, you were very half assed about it, basically you said some diplomatic wishy washy story about being ok with no lynch, but also ok with ppl voting each other for get info out of it, is like you posted for the sake of post, but didnt want to get on anyones bad side, and seems it worked, kudos, you still smell slightly fishy to me so ill FOS MM

And i think DDS was not chosen as a target because as opposed to your strategy he was extremely loud and out there voicing his thoughts, normally experienced scum try to keep a low profile like skoff or kwan, or look helpful to town, like throwing diplomatic non committing posts every now and then like you, but they weirdly dress themselves on neon coloured suits and bath themselves in glitter like DDS, so yeah, i dont think our vig did a random guess and lucked out, i think he or she is a great judge of character and it paid off

I agree with you on this, Flores, especially on Masket. To me, Masket seems to be in a genuine oh shit moment, basically like "I have to play REALLY well this game because if I don't then I'm going to be caught out, like my scum buddy Ragian."

I'm actually going to Vote Minister Masket. I'm also going to FOS Madmitch because the latter has been trying to seem interested in the discussion yet also just positing nonsense (again...).

Skittles, if you don't mind, I would like to hear in greater detail about this inflection point where you perceive MM to have started playing really well.

And there is one other thing:

That's an amazing shot by whoever the Vigilante is, but I can't help feeling majorly confused about how exactly Ragian was nailed on as a valid target.
If the reasoning was the stance on mandy, then why was DDS (who pushed way harder) not the target? Or myself who held a similar view?
It makes me think it was either a completely random choice that seriously lucked out, or there's some more day action shenanigans going on behind the scenes.

This seems like a curious thing to say, doesn't it? Of course, I can only speak for myself, but I saw nothing in the Day 1 scene that would make me think "day action shenanigans going on behind the scenes". I just thought: "Wow, that Day Vig must be really good! "

Care to elaborate on your thoguht process their, MM?

[mandalorian2298]

Since my vote from the post above might be difficult to notice between other bold red things I wrote, I repeat her:

unvote vote Skoffin

[kwanton]

I agree with Mandy

Vote Skoffin

[HotShot53]

I don't know what's wrong with kwan.... either he has a serious post restriction, or he's just not even trying... so far this game he has posted the wall of text nonsense, and then agreed & voted along with mandy twice in a row. While I don't disagree with the votes on skoffin, kwan's actions deserve a vote vote kwanton

[Samlen]

This last part of Flores' quote IMO shows the flaw in the logic behind calling Day 1 lynch "random". There is such thing as scum tells. How many there are to be found depends on Scum's skill and will they be found and interpreted correctly depends on Town's skill, but the Town is far from helpless during Day 1. It's like that American saying about trespassers: "It's not the matter of 'if' - it's a matter of shooting at your bushes enough times."

Nice post. My counterpoint to the scumtell part is that I go with the assumption that scum is good enough to not throw around scumtells and I expect day 1 lynches to end with usually whoever accidentally makes an 'off' post. Maybe I'm wrong to assume scum is too good to leave scumtells this early and that's why ragian died, but it seems like a position he coulda taken as town just as easily. We are in a better position to find scumtells since there is a dead person, but pr's still have no info so i'm still wary of leaving a lynch purely to scumtells.

[nagerous]

Benga replaces master bush

[dakky21]

Secondly, a disclaimer. If there is scum to be found among the following players: Mitch, dakky and Tim; then I fear that I am not going to be of much use in finding him out. They don't post much and keep their posts short.

People don't need to post ton of text (like you just did) to point something over or there. I finally understood that being active and posting a lot (or posting less but with longer posts) just makes you more scummy. I'm not a good player and it's something I know, so pardon me for trying to change my play style in last two games. When I did post a lot, I'd get lynched D1 and now when I'm trying to post less, it's also bad. Come on.

[DirtyDishSoap]

This last part of Flores' quote IMO shows the flaw in the logic behind calling Day 1 lynch "random". There is such thing as scum tells. How many there are to be found depends on Scum's skill and will they be found and interpreted correctly depends on Town's skill, but the Town is far from helpless during Day 1. It's like that American saying about trespassers: "It's not the matter of 'if' - it's a matter of shooting at your bushes enough times."

Nice post. My counterpoint to the scumtell part is that I go with the assumption that scum is good enough to not throw around scumtells and I expect day 1 lynches to end with usually whoever accidentally makes an 'off' post. Maybe I'm wrong to assume scum is too good to leave scumtells this early and that's why ragian died, but it seems like a position he coulda taken as town just as easily. We are in a better position to find scumtells since there is a dead person, but pr's still have no info so i'm still wary of leaving a lynch purely to scumtells.

Maybe it's just me, but it's not as if I played with everyone here frequently enough to tell apart scum styles. Scum tells are fine and dandy, but when you have no other evidence to present a case, you're left with only a scum tell, and even then, what would rub you off the wrong way would seem fine with others. And even then, if people wanted to not be a target, you can simply lurk/submarine on days 1 and just wait it out. I may or may not do that in the future since I'm not really being dissuaded from my stance other then Mandy "Lets lynch him until he learns!" (Great logic).
Take my stance for example, half are torn at the idea that I'm scum simply for advocating a position that I have vocalized with either lynching or not lynching me, or a few just simply did not want to weigh in because they see both sides of the spectrum. I'm honestly happy to see that it's not blindly waving a lynch boner for someone who just speaks an opinion or position. But when I come across a player like Mandy who's basically saying "Conform or die" and votes or FOS's anyone who speaks against him (Lol?), how is anyone honestly going to react to that? I imagine badly, usually, at least I would since I'm a stubborn dick about what I advocate.

I prefer actual concrete evidence to where a power role is utilized to his job. Not only does this give us actual leads, but it helps people actually draw up conclusions on who's full of shit. This is something that I don't think can be accomplished on Days 1 unless you've played with the same group of people for thousands and thousands of games.

[dakky21]

Since we got one scum down I agree that chances to lynch scum are pretty low and I agree it could be better to go for no lynch D1. We've done our scum kill and we can go for it without mislynching a town member. From another point of view, we can lynch scum and have them minus two as of N1... unless scum has few kills per night, which I doubt. So no lynch seems legit now.

[Skittles!]

Skittles, if you don't mind, I would like to hear in greater detail about this inflection point where you perceive MM to have started playing really well.

I stated that he probably perceives that he HAS to start playing really well, if one of his scum partners could be day killed so easily just after posting a few posts. Calling the kill lucky furthers incriminates him IMO, because if you could read between Ragian's lines then I think it's easy to see why Rage was targeted.

Unfortunately Masket can't out himself so easily this game, but it would make my life easier if he did

[madmitch]

I am keeping my vote on ...ah shit no , unvote no use having a bunch of 1 votes,at this point anyone wanting a no-vote might be scum. We should take the chance and we might hit another scum.DDS might be the best vote for now ,VOTE DDS

[TimWoodbury]

Secondly, a disclaimer. If there is scum to be found among the following players: Mitch, dakky and Tim; then I fear that I am not going to be of much use in finding him out. They don't post much and keep their posts short.

People don't need to post ton of text (like you just did) to point something over or there. I finally understood that being active and posting a lot (or posting less but with longer posts) just makes you more scummy. I'm not a good player and it's something I know, so pardon me for trying to change my play style in last two games. When I did post a lot, I'd get lynched D1 and now when I'm trying to post less, it's also bad. Come on.

I deffinatly agree with dakky on not needing huge wall posts and I'll be home eat this game where I'm playing from my phone due to 3 week military annual training if I see a wall post such as the one you did I'm just skimming it phones hard enough and got training to be done can't read huge walls of text.

[mandalorian2298]

I agree with Mandy

Vote Skoffin

Kwanton, while I appreciate your support, it's time for you to stop being silly. Post something a) substantial and b) in this game, or you'll be FOSed.

I am keeping my vote on ...ah shit no , unvote no use having a bunch of 1 votes,at this point anyone wanting a no-vote might be scum. We should take the chance and we might hit another scum.DDS might be the best vote for now ,VOTE DDS

So Skoffin's case hold no appeal to you?

[madmitch]

@Mandy I am just adumb animal who doesn't want to waste time on reading long posts when there is so much more to do ,like grazing and lying around and being part of a family looking out for each other

[madmitch]

didn't answer question,will follow the herd if neededand switch if have two

[Skittles!]

Welp, there it is, Mitch's usual Day 1 soft claim.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Welp, there it is, Mitch's usual Day 1 soft claim.

I'm a fair note, he did make it day 2 inky after pressure.

Mitch, you should try reading what others post, long or not, the whole game is based around how you process information, in fact, it's imperative that you read everything word for word.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Semi drunk post. He did make it to day 2 only after pressure.

[madmitch]

what are you talking about? we are all animals here,just saying I would go alone with the rest of the group.