Abortion

s.xkitten · Post by **s.xkitten** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:57 pm

okay then...we're way off topic now...

kclborat · Post by **kclborat** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:57 pm

ksslemp wrote:So, You don't believe in right or wrong?

Sorry, but that is a ridiculous twist to her words

s.xkitten · Post by **s.xkitten** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:57 pm

kclborat wrote:
ksslemp wrote:So, You don't believe in right or wrong?

Sorry, but that is a ridiculous twist to her words

thank you, but i did point out what i meant...but thanks for the back up :wink:

kclborat · Post by **kclborat** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:58 pm

but one can take all the evidence, weigh it and determine for oneself which viewpoint is strongest based off the evidence and the support

ksslemp · Post by **ksslemp** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:59 pm

kclborat wrote:
ksslemp wrote:So, You don't believe in right or wrong?

Sorry, but that is a ridiculous twist to her words

It wasn't a Statement, It was a Question!

s.xkitten · Post by **s.xkitten** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:01 am

ksslemp wrote:
kclborat wrote:
ksslemp wrote:So, You don't believe in right or wrong?

Sorry, but that is a ridiculous twist to her words

It wasn't a Statement, It was a Question!

okay...i said, neither of us is right or wrong...and you took it to mean that i don't believe in right and wrong...how is that not a twist?

ksslemp · Post by **ksslemp** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:01 am

kclborat wrote:Though, to be fair, both sides do press their view points on the other. I believe that you could describe jay as a fanatic. However, I have a view (one might call it fanatical) that everyone should use their own minds. I believe that religion has people switch off their minds ignore evidence available to the public. The best thing we have as a human is our mind. Some believe God gave that to us, some don't. But that is not the crux of the problem. The problem is that organized religion is detracting from the general intelligence of the people by advising them to forget, misuse and ignore evidence that may or may not contradict their views.

I Agree with all of this!

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:01 am

s.xkitten wrote:
ksslemp wrote:So, You don't believe in right or wrong?

no, there is right and wrong...i'm just saying, when it comes to beliefs, we have our opinions, and so neither of us is right or wrong about that

Question? Where does "right" and "wrong" come from?

s.xkitten · Post by **s.xkitten** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:02 am

ksslemp wrote:
kclborat wrote:Though, to be fair, both sides do press their view points on the other. I believe that you could describe jay as a fanatic. However, I have a view (one might call it fanatical) that everyone should use their own minds. I believe that religion has people switch off their minds ignore evidence available to the public. The best thing we have as a human is our mind. Some believe God gave that to us, some don't. But that is not the crux of the problem. The problem is that organized religion is detracting from the general intelligence of the people by advising them to forget, misuse and ignore evidence that may or may not contradict their views.

I Agree with all of this!

me too...i'm amazed...we all agree on something... :shock:

ksslemp · Post by **ksslemp** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:03 am

s.xkitten wrote:
ksslemp wrote:
kclborat wrote:
ksslemp wrote:So, You don't believe in right or wrong?

Sorry, but that is a ridiculous twist to her words

It wasn't a Statement, It was a Question!

okay...i said, neither of us is right or wrong...and you took it to mean that i don't believe in right and wrong...how is that not a twist?

I was poseing a question to see how far out you were. Thats all.
Your'e not crazy in my opinion. whatever that means. ](*,)

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:03 am

s.xkitten wrote:
ksslemp wrote:
kclborat wrote:Though, to be fair, both sides do press their view points on the other. I believe that you could describe jay as a fanatic. However, I have a view (one might call it fanatical) that everyone should use their own minds. I believe that religion has people switch off their minds ignore evidence available to the public. The best thing we have as a human is our mind. Some believe God gave that to us, some don't. But that is not the crux of the problem. The problem is that organized religion is detracting from the general intelligence of the people by advising them to forget, misuse and ignore evidence that may or may not contradict their views.

I Agree with all of this!

me too...i'm amazed...we all agree on something...

I don't agree.... but you probably knew that already. :wink:

kclborat · Post by **kclborat** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:05 am

what are some of the positive benefits from organized religion. i agree, it does have some benefits, but i would like to hear your opinion

s.xkitten · Post by **s.xkitten** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:05 am

jay_a2j wrote:
s.xkitten wrote:
ksslemp wrote:
kclborat wrote:Though, to be fair, both sides do press their view points on the other. I believe that you could describe jay as a fanatic. However, I have a view (one might call it fanatical) that everyone should use their own minds. I believe that religion has people switch off their minds ignore evidence available to the public. The best thing we have as a human is our mind. Some believe God gave that to us, some don't. But that is not the crux of the problem. The problem is that organized religion is detracting from the general intelligence of the people by advising them to forget, misuse and ignore evidence that may or may not contradict their views.

I Agree with all of this!

me too...i'm amazed...we all agree on something...

I don't agree.... but you probably knew that already.

that would be for the reason that you can't agree with anyone that doesn't see your view 100%

ksslemp · Post by **ksslemp** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:06 am

I choose to leave the question of Gods existence as an open question.

If you think about it, You may someday Know that God exists but you will Never know that God doesnt exist!

s.xkitten · Post by **s.xkitten** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:07 am

god does exsist...it just has two parts, a male and a female...never said it didn't

ksslemp · Post by **ksslemp** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:08 am

s.xkitten wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
s.xkitten wrote:
ksslemp wrote:
kclborat wrote:Though, to be fair, both sides do press their view points on the other. I believe that you could describe jay as a fanatic. However, I have a view (one might call it fanatical) that everyone should use their own minds. I believe that religion has people switch off their minds ignore evidence available to the public. The best thing we have as a human is our mind. Some believe God gave that to us, some don't. But that is not the crux of the problem. The problem is that organized religion is detracting from the general intelligence of the people by advising them to forget, misuse and ignore evidence that may or may not contradict their views.

I Agree with all of this!

me too...i'm amazed...we all agree on something...

I don't agree.... but you probably knew that already.

that would be for the reason that you can't agree with anyone that doesn't see your view 100%

Talk about "Close-Minded"!

ksslemp · Post by **ksslemp** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:09 am

oops i quoted the wrong post, go back 1 and eliminate kittens last post. :lol:

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:09 am

kclborat wrote:what are some of the positive benefits from organized religion. i agree, it does have some benefits, but i would like to hear your opinion

Religion is man made. Althought many of the religions in the world teach good standards to live by; love your neighbor, do not kill, turn the other cheek etc. Only one has the truth. The way to God. And its not even a religion, its a relationship with God.

s.xkitten · Post by **s.xkitten** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:10 am

so, i'm not...jay boy is? okay, was gonna say something, but i won't...and there is an edit button....

areon · Post by **areon** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:12 am

jay_a2j wrote:How about when a man and woman are in a relationship? The woman gets pregnant, the father wants to have the child but the mother wants to abort it. Too bad for the man. Even if it is his child she is carrying the woman has final say if that child lives or dies. So, what about equal rights for men who want their kids?

Yes because there are SO many men who want to raise kids as a single parent(or future wife) but are being held back by women choosing to 'kill' a single cell.[/sarcasm]

I'm sorry but that isn't basis for abolishing abortion.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:13 am

ksslemp wrote:
Talk about "Close-Minded"!

I'm close-minded because I disagree with that post? So, I'm not allowed to have my own oppinion? (Is this a black kettle thing?)

s.xkitten · Post by **s.xkitten** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:13 am

more then one cell though...

kclborat · Post by **kclborat** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:15 am

ksslemp wrote:I choose to leave the question of Gods existence as an open question.

If you think about it, You may someday Know that God exists but you will Never know that God doesnt exist!

Well put!

s.xkitten · Post by **s.xkitten** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:15 am

jay_a2j wrote:
ksslemp wrote:
Talk about "Close-Minded"!

I'm close-minded because I disagree with that post? So, I'm not allowed to have my own oppinion? (Is this a black kettle thing?)

heh heh heh...no, this is you not accepting other people religions...

kclborat · Post by **kclborat** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:17 am

Jay, specifically, with which parts of my statement about organized religion do you disagree?

Abortion

What is your stance on abortion?