Conquer Club

Version 22 (Large) — Apr. 16th
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Version 22 (Small) — Apr. 16th
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Updates:

• redone bonuses
• redone territories
• nitpicks

To-Do:

• revise XML with changes
• sea route also decaying?

.44

We spent a lot of time talking about this map so i like to focus on undiscussed points...

I like the new look! and you know...

Qaasuitsup +3
peary +2
tunu +3 (or+4)
qeqqata +2 (what a s***! )
kuja +3 (or +4)
sermersooq +4 (or +5)

Not agree with decaying on sea route.

I'm still confused about this:

to go with the dog sleds, how about putting in an inuksuk on each ice route to show the way?

the only solution is use a different prospective for dog sleds and inuksuk, but i don't know if they will fit very well on map.
But something to fill the empty space between ice route B and ice route C is probably required

Good work,

TNBDS

Why is tunu worth less than Kujalleq if they have the same amount of territories but tunu has one more territory to defend? kujalleq could be 3 and tunu 4. qeqqata seems to have 2 different fonts in the bonus inset, and it couls also probably be worth 3. This is progressing along nicely.



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This is looking great

Qaa 6 terits 3 to defend (1 ice route) +4 bonus
Peary 3 terits 2 to defend +2 bonus
Tunu 6 terits 3 to defend +3 bonus
Qeqqata 4 terits 3 to defend (1 ice route) +2 bonus
Kujalleq 6 terits 2 to defend +4 bonus
Semers 7 terits 5 to defend (1 ice route) +5 bonus

Synergies and forward defenses
Peary and Tunu
qeqqata with qaaa or kujaa
semers can set up a forward defense and become 8 terits 4 to defend (1 route)

I'd say semers should be +6
Tunu +4

Peary and Kujalleq are very strong but game is balanced for 3 players without changes to semers and tunu, balanced for more with further changes

If we use classic map to base the bonuses on, Kujalleq bonus is massive. Africa with 6 territories and 3 borders is worth +3.

Current:
Qaat. = 4
Qeqq./what a sh*t! = 2
Kuja. = 4
Serm. = 5
Tunu = 3
Peary = 2

Averages of feedback: (rounding .5 up)
Qaat. = 4 + 3 ÷ 2 = 3.5 = 4
Qeqq./what a sh*t! = 2 + 3 + 2 ÷ 3 = 2.33 = 2
Kuja. = 3 + 3.5 + 3 + 4 ÷ 4 = 3.375 = 3
Serm. = 4.5 + 6 ÷ 2 = 5.25 = 5
Tunu = 3.5 + 4 + 4 ÷ 3 = 3.833 = 4
Peary = 2 + 2 ÷ 2 = 2

Version 23 (Large) — Apr. 16th
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Version 23 (Small) — Apr. 16th
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Updates:

• changed two bonus values
• nitpicks

.44

this map is looking choice.

Bonuses are looking good individually, but some give me pause when you couple them. The worst is Perry + Tunu; +6 for nine terits with three borders. Across the map you get +6 for ten terits with five borders. At the bottom of the map you get +5 for ten terits with four borders.

Perry Land already represents the best potential start, but it also has the best expansion. I think adding a border connection between Ostgronland to Ymer Nunatak would give that player a little more to deal with, OR you could add half an ice route between the Ostgronland to the Ice Route B territory - the player could still knock the region down to three borders by taking the ice route.

Wow kill, I strongly dislike the new ice routes, put them back to the old ones that were fine. These are far too skinny.
Great Map!

sailorseal
Wow kill, I strongly dislike the new ice routes, put them back to the old ones that were fine. These are far too skinny.

Sorry, but the fact that the other ones were too wide was the thing everyone else agreed on. So, I'm keeping them.
oaktown
I'll be giving a border from Østgrønland to Ymer Nunatak, thanks for noticing that. Tunu stays at +4

.44

Alternatively, leave the borders alone and drop Peary to a +1. Weak starter, but with a powerful 2 continent combination of 3 points to defend and +5 , the 2 continent combination sounds like the US in Classic... balance.

classic US doesn't have a bonus.

kapisillit is an inland region located directly east of nuuk. let it have no coastline, but a border with sermersooq instead, so that kujalleq becomes more difficult to hold (against the small neighbouring qeqqata bonus zone). move nuuk down slightly to give more room to qeqqata. we can then increase the bonus of 3-border kujalleq to a solid +4.

The settlement Kapisillit is one of the very few fishing and hunting communities which is situated inland. Kapisillit is beautifully placed app. 75 kilometres from Nuuk, deep inside the mighty fjord system of Nuuk.

http://www.nuuk-tourism.gl/database.asp ... ng&num=248

my suggestion of putting kangerlussuaq into qeqqata doesn't work. its current location is about two regions north of where it ought to be. this was obviously done because of the length of the name. if we do some renaming to include sisimiut (greenland's second-largest town) rather than itilleq, but keep qeqqata as a 2.5-border bonus zone, then qeqqata becomes a +3 bonus.

in conjunction with the new østgrønland to ymer nunatak border, the coupled bonuses in the south and west then become reasonable compared with the coupled bonus in the east.

i think, once all of this is done, we are in gameplay stamp territory. there does remain some renaming of regions and changing of borders to reflect the geography within each bonus zone, but this can probably be done without affecting the gameplay stamp.

ian.

iancanton
That sounds like a plan — though I do have one question. Do you mean Sisimiut bordering Sermersooq via a cross-ice territory (not decay ice route)? Or to also border something in Kujalleq, filling in that U area?

.44

i simply meant renaming itilleq as sisimiut (and moving nuuk and sisimiut - the old itilleq - downward to their real positions), while making kapisillit border sermersooq. ice route c can stay, but we'll have to find another name for kangerlussuaq: perhaps ilulissat, which looks as if it's in the right location relative to aasiaat. we're nearly there on gameplay, so i'm not looking for radical gameplay changes now, such as new ice routes, unless someone finds an especially neat solution to something.

ian.

Discussion with ian has led to Version 24 (Large), which should be the beginning of the end of the pre-GP stamp versions

Version 24 (Large) — Apr. 24th
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Updates:

• moved sea route (with added note) and borders around (mostly Kujalleq)
• chucked Kangerlussuaq
• bonus changes
• moving stuff around…

To-Do:

• AIRPLANE GRAPHIC — will be up next version, which might be later or tomorrow …

Oh, and as a note: don't worry about the dots going into the circles (I was/am sure someone would/will comment on that) — the army numbers will cover them up

.44

I honestly think the big is to big for a big map, I think just make it a touch smaller or no one will use it for it makes it hard for players to play quickly with the constant scrolling down

I'm maybe being hard on you, but...
You have to change the minimap's southern layout aswell, now that Kujalleq has been reshaped.
I thought it would be in your to-do list, but it wasn't. Just wanted to make sure

almost done - congrats!

sailorseal
I honestly think the big is to big for a big map, I think just make it a touch smaller or no one will use it for it makes it hard for players to play quickly with the constant scrolling down
Ermm … no. They can use the small map if their monitor isn't big enough, that's what it's for. It's 40px under the width limit and nearly 100px under the height limit, so I think I'll just keep it as is …

saaimen
You have to change the minimap's southern layout aswell, now that Kujalleq has been reshaped.
Right right right.

Merciless Wong
almost done - congrats!
Thanks
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New version up later or tomorrow — keep 'em coming!

.44

I would like to see the dotted line changed into something more creative. Maybe a fake icicle dripping down down to Nuuk?
I preferred the old background of the old center area, the one with the mountains, then you could wind the ice routes around the center mountains. I love the style and feel of this map.
I am not sure when Qeqqata became only two territories but I want to see more added back. A 3 territory bonus does not fit in this map.
Nice Map!

sailorseal
I would like to see the dotted line changed into something more creative. Maybe a fake icicle dripping down down to Nuuk?
Definitely not that. I'm adding a plane in, post that later.
I preferred the old background of the old center area, the one with the mountains, then you could wind the ice routes around the center mountains.
Meh, I didn't really like that.
I am not sure when Qeqqata became only two territories.
There are three.
but I want to see more added back. A 3 territory bonus does not fit in this map.
No, it definitely does. A map with only large bonuses is not a fun map in the least.

.44

the.killing.44 wrote:[
I am not sure when Qeqqata became only two territories.
There are three.

.44

I meant since when are there only three, I preferred more

sailorseal wrote:I meant since when are there only three, I preferred more

Qaatsuipsut and Qeqqata essentially switched.

.44

POLL is up. To airplane? or not to airplane, that is the question.

FYI: http://airgreenland.com/om_air_greenlan ... re/boeing/

WITH PLANE
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NO PLANE
[bigimg]http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq219/the-killing/Greenland/N.jpg[/bigimg]

.44

Should be fine. South America was 4 terits, 2 to defend. Australia was 4 terits, 1 to defend. Qeqatta and Peary are 3 terits, 2 to defend so its better than South America (1 less terit) but weaker than Australia (harder to defend).

Kujaleq and Qaasuit aren't exactly pushover continents either (3 to defend for +4 bonus)

Plane looks good although red seems a bit weird on a predominantly blue map but it seems to work in a weird sort of way

EDIT: On second thought, it probably does look better without the plane, so if i was the mapmaker i would stick with the non-airplane attack route, but i can't change my vote