Conquer Club

t-o-m wrote:

DiM wrote:so far most of the images presented are 90% made of pics found on the internet where's the skill?

my one is almost done now, and thats not made from the internet, all by hand, BUT it has one pic from lone. and im just going to put the star in somewhere...

My next one is done, and it's all by hand

i will upload my version shortly

pepperonibread wrote:

wcaclimbing wrote:

DiM wrote:i like this idea and on top of that i'd like some rules regarding the actual aspect of the works presented. i mean i don't like the idea of using images from the net. the whole point of a battle should be skill. i can understand using a render a c4d a stock or something but modify it heavily and make something nice.

so far most of the images presented are 90% made of pics found on the internet where's the skill?

I agree.
I like making stuff by hand much more than copy-pasting pics together. Stuff done by hand always looks better in the end. I also wouldn't mind if the star didn't have to be included.

I agree, to an extent. For example, with my image, I honestly don't think it would have helped to redraw the ninja turtle. The image is clean, with no pixellation or compression. Redrawing it would probably just be a waste of time. Granted, I really should have reworked andy, because the shadows don't exactly match (shhh...). And I agree with Dim, lone could definitely put his skills to better use. But most of the time, it doesn't matter if you put a photo in your image or not, but how you use it.

I'd agree with pep on this.

dim wrote:i like this idea and on top of that i'd like some rules regarding the actual aspect of the works presented. i mean i don't like the idea of using images from the net. the whole point of a battle should be skill. i can understand using a render a c4d a stock or something but modify it heavily and make something nice.
so far most of the images presented are 90% made of pics found on the internet where's the skill?

Yes, please people the extent of photoshop's power is MUCH more than the lasso tool. Use filters, use blending modes, use the brush and smudge tools, be creative and invent something new. This is a design competition, don't be afraid to explore that, and don't think you can squeeze by with a bunch of pasted images and a lighthearted joke every round. Legally, the minimum distortion required to use someone else's image without copyright burns is 80%. Now, 80% is subjective based on the image but cutting out an image's foreground isn't even close, usually more like 25% at most. I don't want to start a Distortion Nazi policy but I would like to see more originality. (if you really need a photo, I wouldn't mind the use of one of your OWN pictures. They even allow that in the layer battle site).

pepperonibread wrote:I agree, to an extent. For example, with my image, I honestly don't think it would have helped to redraw the ninja turtle. The image is clean, with no pixellation or compression. Redrawing it would probably just be a waste of time. Granted, I really should have reworked andy, because the shadows don't exactly match (shhh...). And I agree with Dim, lone could definitely put his skills to better use. But most of the time, it doesn't matter if you put a photo in your image or not, but how you use it.

Drawing the turtle wouldn't have made the concept better but it would limit you. Limitations are an artist's best friend; they inspire creativity. It might seem a daunting task but you could draw him in your own style, whatever. It would look less like an e-card. No one draws to avoid pixellation... Though you are right, if you drew it exactly as it was it could very well be a waste of time, because the original image is a cartoon. Explore more options; drawing a REAL turtle (and monkey) certainly wouldn't be a waste of time, and photorealism isn't a necessity.

static_ice wrote:

dim wrote:i like this idea and on top of that i'd like some rules regarding the actual aspect of the works presented. i mean i don't like the idea of using images from the net. the whole point of a battle should be skill. i can understand using a render a c4d a stock or something but modify it heavily and make something nice.
so far most of the images presented are 90% made of pics found on the internet where's the skill?

Yes, please people the extent of photoshop's power is MUCH more than the lasso tool. Use filters, use blending modes, use the brush and smudge tools, be creative and invent something new. This is a design competition, don't be afraid to explore that, and don't think you can squeeze by with a bunch of pasted images and a lighthearted joke every round. Legally, the minimum distortion required to use someone else's image without copyright burns is 80%. Now, 80% is subjective based on the image but cutting out an image's foreground isn't even close, usually more like 25% at most. I don't want to start a Distortion Nazi policy but I would like to see more originality. (if you really need a photo, I wouldn't mind the use of one of your OWN pictures. They even allow that in the layer battle site).

QFT

static_ice wrote:

pepperonibread wrote:I agree, to an extent. For example, with my image, I honestly don't think it would have helped to redraw the ninja turtle. The image is clean, with no pixellation or compression. Redrawing it would probably just be a waste of time. Granted, I really should have reworked andy, because the shadows don't exactly match (shhh...). And I agree with Dim, lone could definitely put his skills to better use. But most of the time, it doesn't matter if you put a photo in your image or not, but how you use it.

Drawing the turtle wouldn't have made the concept better but it would limit you. Limitations are an artist's best friend; they inspire creativity. It might seem a daunting task but you could draw him in your own style, whatever. It would look less like an e-card. No one draws to avoid pixellation... Though you are right, if you drew it exactly as it was it could very well be a waste of time, because the original image is a cartoon. Explore more options; drawing a REAL turtle (and monkey) certainly wouldn't be a waste of time, and photorealism isn't a necessity.

but i don't agree here. redrawing the turtle would have been great practice and a testimony of skill.

anyway, 2 days ago i expressed my concern to mibi about the way the battle is going.
because i thought it would be a battle of skill, something serious.
and strangely not more than a week ago on another forum there was a debate about crappy sigs in sig battles.

this:

was confronted with this:


number 2 won by a lot of votes.
while i agree #2 is somewhat funny it's clear that the skill difference is enormous.

I can't see the second sig.

Edit:

t-o-m wrote::lol: DiM - 1st one has a l ot of skill, but i love the 2nd!

Probably just my comp then.

DiM - 1st one has a l ot of skill, but i love the 2nd!

DiM wrote:but i don't agree here. redrawing the turtle would have been great practice and a testimony of skill.

Maybe

anyway, 2 days ago i expressed my concern to mibi about the way the battle is going.
because i thought it would be a battle of skill, something serious.
and strangely not more than a week ago on another forum there was a debate about crappy sigs in sig battles.

this:

was confronted with this:


number 2 won by a lot of votes.
while i agree #2 is somewhat funny it's clear that the skill difference is enormous.

This is a mockery of graphic design and will consume the industry

is there a link to that sig battle? I wanna look at another Image battle to get ideas. This is my first time doing something like this.

Vace Cooper wrote:is there a link to that sig battle? I wanna look at another Image battle to get ideas. This is my first time doing something like this.

same - but i dont think you need to see another - its pretty straightforward.

t-o-m wrote:

Vace Cooper wrote:is there a link to that sig battle? I wanna look at another Image battle to get ideas. This is my first time doing something like this.

same - but i dont think you need to see another - its pretty straightforward.

here's the link to the one between mibi and rj:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=33037&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=mibi+rjbeals

Gimil Round 1

Unfortunatly the ways of the worlds have kept me busy, but this is what I swqeezed i.

I think my favourite so far has to be vace coopers. BPB strike again!

gimil wrote:Gimil Round 1

Unfortunatly the ways of the worlds have kept me busy, but this is what I swqeezed i.
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Gimil, its pretty good, but I would like it more if the background was a bit better quality. the texture just isn't working for me right now. Maybe if you redrew it and added your own effect to it, it would have come out better. Overall, Its good, though.

Vace Cooper wrote:is there a link to that sig battle? I wanna look at another Image battle to get ideas. This is my first time doing something like this.

There was that link mibi had to the original layer battle site, don't know if it's still on the first post.

wca yours coming anytime soon? Looks like we'll get t-o-m's eventually and mibi is up next for Round 2.

static_ice wrote:

Vace Cooper wrote:is there a link to that sig battle? I wanna look at another Image battle to get ideas. This is my first time doing something like this.

There was that link mibi had to the original layer battle site, don't know if it's still on the first post.

wca yours coming anytime soon? Looks like we'll get t-o-m's eventually and mibi is up next for Round 2.

Im ready to post mine, so when t-o-m is done, he has to go again!

static_ice wrote:

Vace Cooper wrote:is there a link to that sig battle? I wanna look at another Image battle to get ideas. This is my first time doing something like this.

There was that link mibi had to the original layer battle site, don't know if it's still on the first post.

wca yours coming anytime soon? Looks like we'll get t-o-m's eventually and mibi is up next for Round 2.

Trying to find a good pic of a ninja turtle.
It'll probably be a few more hours. Parents want me to do stuff....

Kaplowitz wrote:

static_ice wrote:

Vace Cooper wrote:is there a link to that sig battle? I wanna look at another Image battle to get ideas. This is my first time doing something like this.

There was that link mibi had to the original layer battle site, don't know if it's still on the first post.

wca yours coming anytime soon? Looks like we'll get t-o-m's eventually and mibi is up next for Round 2.

Im ready to post mine, so when t-o-m is done, he has to go again!

Damn and you got a nice position too, after this which you've already finished, you don't go again til the 4th position in round 3.

Trying to find a good pic of a ninja turtle.
It'll probably be a few more hours. Parents want me to do stuff....

Fair enough...

gimil wrote:I think my favourite so far has to be vace coopers. BPB strike again!

Thanks Gimil! I know some of the dudes here arnt down with the copy past images, But i think it took some skill to stuff some of those computers back in there. Next round i'll do something different.
Nice work on yours too! I think I need to work on doing more my the lettering becides just picking a font. Thats one thing I really like about some of the other entry's.
Good luck on round 2 everyone!

I was under the impression that the returns were supposed to incorporate the served image. That certainly seems to be the case with many. However, it doesn't seem like the guys who followed Vace did that.

detlef wrote:I was under the impression that the returns were supposed to incorporate the served image. That certainly seems to be the case with many. However, it doesn't seem like the guys who followed Vace did that.

you don't have to incorporate the whole image. you must use a bit of that image or the feeling of that image. for example pepperonibread didn't include any part of snapdoodle's image but he did take the happy new year thing that lack said. that's ok.
the only image you are forced to use is the CC logo.

so far i see 1problem:
1. in bracket 2 loneprophet didn't use the CC logo

edited..

detlef wrote:I was under the impression that the returns were supposed to incorporate the served image. That certainly seems to be the case with many. However, it doesn't seem like the guys who followed Vace did that.

The first return incorporates the serve, then is in turn incorporated by the second return, and so on. Or is that what you meant?
As for that bracket, I assume snap was using vace's theme of a "dice factory" (a part of the image doesn't have to be used, only its essence/theme). As for me, I took the "happy new year" off snap's image.

ok heres my pathetic attempt:


i used lone's turtle.

look for the CC star

Okay tom, here's my serve

You're up next

PSD plz