Conquer Club

Zemljanin wrote:

maxatstuy wrote:Farming by definition is playing games that will allow for an easy win, and whether it is against a n00b or because of map specialization, both give the player an advantage which is farming.

So every good player is actually a farmer?

The Chosen wrote:

porkenbeans wrote:You (Me-Da-MiNoRiTY) may think that your points makes you a better player, But what you fail to recognize is that you are noob farmer, and you got those points from beating inferior players. It's all relative, and until you raise your relative rank, you will continue to be nothing more than a wannabee in many eyes. ...SORRY.

I just looked at Me-Da-MiNoRiTY's last 100 games...

I could only see 2 games which he joined which at the point of his joining was made up of "low rankers" (i.e. Lieutenant and below).

How on earth can you call him a n00b farmer

maxatstuy wrote:To the best player, anyone else should have a score lower to his, so virtually anyone he plays should be considered farming.

A player who is good on a particular map and chooses to play on it consistently is farming. If they wish not to farm, then they should changed the setting and move to a map where they are unfamiliar...otherwise it is farming

Zemljanin wrote:

maxatstuy wrote:To the best player, anyone else should have a score lower to his, so virtually anyone he plays should be considered farming.

A player who is good on a particular map and chooses to play on it consistently is farming. If they wish not to farm, then they should changed the setting and move to a map where they are unfamiliar...otherwise it is farming

You wrote a few lines, but failed to answer the question

porkenbeans wrote:I suggest that you install map rank, and learn how to use it. You are a noob farmer, or point hoarder on every map you play. If you want to see what decent stats. look like, Take a look at mine.

Zemljanin wrote:

maxatstuy wrote:Farming by definition is playing games that will allow for an easy win, and whether it is against a n00b or because of map specialization, both give the player an advantage which is farming.

So every good player is actually a farmer?

Zemljanin wrote:

maxatstuy wrote:Farming by definition is playing games that will allow for an easy win, and whether it is against a n00b or because of map specialization, both give the player an advantage which is farming.

So every good player is actually a farmer?

maxatstuy wrote:

Zemljanin wrote:

maxatstuy wrote:To the best player, anyone else should have a score lower to his, so virtually anyone he plays should be considered farming.

A player who is good on a particular map and chooses to play on it consistently is farming. If they wish not to farm, then they should changed the setting and move to a map where they are unfamiliar...otherwise it is farming

You wrote a few lines, but failed to answer the question

I believe I did, if you are "good" then you can always play people on settings less familiar to you on maps where it wouldnt be considered farming

maxatstuy wrote:

Zemljanin wrote:

maxatstuy wrote:Farming by definition is playing games that will allow for an easy win, and whether it is against a n00b or because of map specialization, both give the player an advantage which is farming.

So every good player is actually a farmer?

To the best player, anyone else should have a score lower to his, so virtually anyone he plays should be considered farming.

A player who is good on a particular map and chooses to play on it consistently is farming. If they wish not to farm, then they should changed the setting and move to a map where they are unfamiliar...otherwise it is farming

THE ARMY wrote:Ok so here is the argument. On one side we think that playing a certain STYLE of game is not farming and only those who play noobs or low ranks is farming. On the other hand we have those who say farming is playing a game where its an "easy win". Well Max to disprove your argument, there is nothing easy about winning on a certain style of game, there are too many variable that go into it including map and type of players that are in the game (e.g. rank). This is unlike farming, and that is farming by playing noobs and low ranks, the only farming there is. This type of farming provides an "easy win"

So to sum it up you can't say we are all farmers because we play a certain style and its an "easy win" because its not an easy win its just a game type we like to play and since its the same type as everyone in the game everyone playing that game has an equal potential for winning. But your gameplay is categorized as an "easy win" by playing people who no nothing of the game. This is farming because you exploit their carelessness and unexperience.

You look for people, we look for game types.
You're a farmer, we're investors.

Zemljanin wrote:

maxatstuy wrote:Farming by definition is playing games that will allow for an easy win, and whether it is against a n00b or because of map specialization, both give the player an advantage which is farming.

So every good player is actually a farmer?

Zemljanin wrote:Maybe you did, but your answer is not quite understandable to someone who isn't familiar with your frazeology. There are only three valid answers - yes, no and I don't know. I can't tell which of those three is your answer.

And when it concerns the last part of your sentence...
I'm only a middle ranker, but consider myself a good player. And yes, I of course can play people on maps and settings less (or non) familiar to me. Am I a farmer? (assuming that previous statement is truth)

The Chosen wrote:

porkenbeans wrote:You (Me-Da-MiNoRiTY) may think that your points makes you a better player, But what you fail to recognize is that you are noob farmer, and you got those points from beating inferior players. It's all relative, and until you raise your relative rank, you will continue to be nothing more than a wannabee in many eyes. ...SORRY.

I just looked at Me-Da-MiNoRiTY's last 100 games...

I could only see 2 games which he joined which at the point of his joining was made up of "low rankers" (i.e. Lieutenant and below).

How on earth can you call him a n00b farmer

maxatstuy wrote:I play speed doubs, they might be public games, but those are farming.

Jeff Hardy wrote:

maxatstuy wrote:I play speed doubs, they might be public games, but those are farming.

unfoe scott, dat and me and they wont be farming

maxatstuy wrote:

Zemljanin wrote:Maybe you did, but your answer is not quite understandable to someone who isn't familiar with your frazeology. There are only three valid answers - yes, no and I don't know. I can't tell which of those three is your answer.

And when it concerns the last part of your sentence...
I'm only a middle ranker, but consider myself a good player. And yes, I of course can play people on maps and settings less (or non) familiar to me. Am I a farmer? (assuming that previous statement is truth)

I never said you were...I was referring to Me-Da and porkandbeans who both map specialize

maxatstuy wrote:

Jeff Hardy wrote:

maxatstuy wrote:I play speed doubs, they might be public games, but those are farming.

unfoe scott, dat and me and they wont be farming

I dont play cheats, groupies of cheats, and people whom I dont have respect for.

I play to have fun and enjoy the games I play, there is no reason why I should sacrifice my enjoyment of the game to prove something to people who I couldnt care less about.

maxatstuy wrote:

Jeff Hardy wrote:

maxatstuy wrote:I play speed doubs, they might be public games, but those are farming.

unfoe scott, dat and me and they wont be farming

I dont play cheats, groupies of cheats, and people whom I dont have respect for.

I play to have fun and enjoy the games I play, there is no reason why I should sacrifice my enjoyment of the game to prove something to people who I couldnt care less about.

THE ARMY wrote:you don't play to have fun you play to increase your rank as does everyone. If you wanted to play to have fun then you would play the exact style of map and settings with players other than noobs (and no im not saying 1 out of 10 games of that is acceptable).

How is it fun when a noob deadbeats 3 turns in a row, 2 turns in a row, or even once! Its not fun, you are just lying about your own objectives.

Incandenza wrote:

porkenbeans wrote:I suggest that you install map rank, and learn how to use it. You are a noob farmer, or point hoarder on every map you play. If you want to see what decent stats. look like, Take a look at mine.

Ah, so after weeks of reading your shrill posturing, your cries of "The scoreboard is unfair! Farmers are ruining CC!", the point finally emerges. This isn't about points, or farming, or the scoreboard, or the health of CC.

It's all about you.

You somehow think that if people look at your relative rank, everyone will say to themselves, "Gee, that whiny bastard with the annoying animated avvy sure is a good player! We should listen to him! Wow he's amazing!"

News flash: relative rank, not exactly the most reliable statistic in the first place, has less and less meaning the higher you get on the scoreboard. The reason yours might be better than MDM's is because he's in the top tenth of a percentile, and practically every opponent he faces has a lower score.

So, you know, if you ever manage to prohibition chicago your way into the Top 100, then you might have an audience, since you'll be seeing things from his side of the aisle. But from where I'm sitting, those that whine about points wish they had more (or think they're somehow entitled to more), and those that impugn the skills of others wouldn't know solid play if it whacked them in the back of the head.

Do people farm? Yes. Does it really make that much difference? Probably not. Is it worth the thousands of words you've written on the subject? I'll let you guess that one.

maxatstuy wrote:

THE ARMY wrote:you don't play to have fun you play to increase your rank as does everyone. If you wanted to play to have fun then you would play the exact style of map and settings with players other than noobs (and no im not saying 1 out of 10 games of that is acceptable).

How is it fun when a noob deadbeats 3 turns in a row, 2 turns in a row, or even once! Its not fun, you are just lying about your own objectives.

lol...Im so glad that I have you around to tell me what is fun...youve enlightened me, I will no longer play new recruits because I no longer find it fun

THANK YOU...youve changed my life

oh, and I dont play to improve my score even though that is indirectly the result of my motives- I play to win, and I enjoy winning

porkenbeans wrote:OK, please explain jarrett155
He has excellent stats, with many "gladiator" and "brawler" tags. How is it, that he can make it so high, and still keep his record exemplary ?
He is a very good example of a good player that is not a FARMER

maxatstuy wrote:

porkenbeans wrote:OK, please explain jarrett155
He has excellent stats, with many "gladiator" and "brawler" tags. How is it, that he can make it so high, and still keep his record exemplary ?
He is a very good example of a good player that is not a FARMER

Actually, you just gave a perfect portrayal of Incandenza's point, Jarrett was a major until about 3 days ago and played hundreds of games as a low rank, inflating his stats tremendously.

porkenbeans wrote:

maxatstuy wrote:

porkenbeans wrote:OK, please explain jarrett155
He has excellent stats, with many "gladiator" and "brawler" tags. How is it, that he can make it so high, and still keep his record exemplary ?
He is a very good example of a good player that is not a FARMER

Actually, you just gave a perfect portrayal of Incandenza's point, Jarrett was a major until about 3 days ago and played hundreds of games as a low rank, inflating his stats tremendously.

WTF are you talking about ? Your rank is adjusted after every game.

Incandenza wrote:

porkenbeans wrote:I suggest that you install map rank, and learn how to use it. You are a noob farmer, or point hoarder on every map you play. If you want to see what decent stats. look like, Take a look at mine.

Ah, so after weeks of reading your shrill posturing, your cries of "The scoreboard is unfair! Farmers are ruining CC!", the point finally emerges. This isn't about points, or farming, or the scoreboard, or the health of CC.

It's all about you.

You somehow think that if people look at your relative rank, everyone will say to themselves, "Gee, that whiny bastard with the annoying animated avvy sure is a good player! We should listen to him! Wow he's amazing!"

News flash: relative rank, not exactly the most reliable statistic in the first place, has less and less meaning the higher you get on the scoreboard. The reason yours might be better than MDM's is because he's in the top tenth of a percentile, and practically every opponent he faces has a lower score.

So, you know, if you ever manage to prohibition chicago your way into the Top 100, then you might have an audience, since you'll be seeing things from his side of the aisle. But from where I'm sitting, those that whine about points wish they had more (or think they're somehow entitled to more), and those that impugn the skills of others wouldn't know solid play if it whacked them in the back of the head.

Do people farm? Yes. Does it really make that much difference? Probably not. Is it worth the thousands of words you've written on the subject? I'll let you guess that one.