Conquer Club

Snorri1234 wrote:

OnlyAmbrose wrote:Yeah, well she conceded to the supernatural earlier today,

*nudgenudgewinkwink*?

Or for reals?

For reals We've been discussing it for months now, and, like I said, the shock value of a Christian talking about cosmology and biochemistry is invaluable when talking with someone who has spent most of her life assuming that Christians are stupid.

OnlyAmbrose wrote:

Snorri1234 wrote:

OnlyAmbrose wrote:Yeah, well she conceded to the supernatural earlier today,

*nudgenudgewinkwink*?

Or for reals?

For reals We've been discussing it for months now, and, like I said, the shock value of a Christian talking about cosmology and biochemistry is invaluable when talking with someone who has spent most of her life assuming that Christians are stupid.

YOU BASTARD!

OnlyAmbrose wrote:

Snorri1234 wrote:

OnlyAmbrose wrote:Yeah, well she conceded to the supernatural earlier today,

*nudgenudgewinkwink*?

Or for reals?

For reals We've been discussing it for months now, and, like I said, the shock value of a Christian talking about cosmology and biochemistry is invaluable when talking with someone who has spent most of her life assuming that Christians are stupid.

You are a tricky one. Tell her I said to resist your charms.

bump

I don't think they want to talk much more about it

CoffeeCream wrote:I don't think they want to talk much more about it

Oh I'm willing to talk about it! It's just that this thread has gone the way of almost every thread and drawn in lots of the "debate-club" (by which I mean those fuckers who always talk about shit all the time of which I'm a part) which features a high percentage of atheists. The fact that Dangerboy merely said "bump" instead of talking about whatever bullshit he's talking about speaks volumes about the other side.

For some reason, these threads always end with us having the last word. Whether this is avoiding the issue on their part or cowardice is yet unresolved, but it's clear they don't want to talk about it instead of us.

Snorri1234 wrote:

CoffeeCream wrote:I don't think they want to talk much more about it

Oh I'm willing to talk about it! It's just that this thread has gone the way of almost every thread and drawn in lots of the "debate-club" (by which I mean those fuckers who always talk about shit all the time of which I'm a part) which features a high percentage of atheists. The fact that Dangerboy merely said "bump" instead of talking about whatever bullshit he's talking about speaks volumes about the other side.

It's been my experience while here that a majority, not all, of the atheists here have no problem ridiculing people who don't share their belief system. Perhaps people here have had just about enough of the ridicule and that would also include DangerBoy. It's natural for someone like him to eventually respond and put the spotlight back on the insulters. I have tried to be as cordial as possible while on this site but to be honest sometimes it just doesn't seem worth it. Hopefully, I've restrained myself in my posts enough that people don't find me offensive.

For my part, I came to the website not sure of the claims of Christianity and when I finally took the time to listen to my co-workers and people like Daddy1Gringo. I changed my mind and I'm pretty happy about it. I realize that it may not be for you but it appears that the majority of atheists think it's the end of the world when someone here talks about God.

I mean just check out Gregorio's post from a different discussion. He opened up and shared something deeply personal and was immediately attacked as being pompous. That's hardly fair.

CoffeeCream wrote:

Snorri1234 wrote:

CoffeeCream wrote:I don't think they want to talk much more about it

Oh I'm willing to talk about it! It's just that this thread has gone the way of almost every thread and drawn in lots of the "debate-club" (by which I mean those fuckers who always talk about shit all the time of which I'm a part) which features a high percentage of atheists. The fact that Dangerboy merely said "bump" instead of talking about whatever bullshit he's talking about speaks volumes about the other side.

It's been my experience while here that a majority, not all, of the atheists here have no problem ridiculing people who don't share their belief system. Perhaps people here have had just about enough of the ridicule and that would also include DangerBoy. It's natural for someone like him to eventually respond and put the spotlight back on the insulters. I have tried to be as cordial as possible while on this site but to be honest sometimes it just doesn't seem worth it. Hopefully, I've restrained myself in my posts enough that people don't find me offensive.

For my part, I came to the website not sure of the claims of Christianity and when I finally took the time to listen to my co-workers and people like Daddy1Gringo. I changed my mind and I'm pretty happy about it. I realize that it may not be for you but it appears that the majority of atheists think it's the end of the world when someone here talks about God.

I mean just check out Gregorio's post from a different discussion. He opened up and shared something deeply personal and was immediately attacked as being pompous. That's hardly fair.

I understand what you're saying, but Gregorios basically said that athiesm is the result of weed and booze, and has often said that all athiests are moraless nihilists.

Frigidus wrote:I understand what you're saying, but Gregorios basically said that athiesm is the result of weed and booze, and has often said that all athiests are moraless nihilists.

Hmm, I didn't read that into his post. I'll go back and read it again. Sometimes though I think people read too much into what other people are saying and think they know the motivations of the poster. I know I've done that myself and I have to try and keep an open mind.

Let me just say that I do not believe that atheists are the result of those behaviors.

CoffeeCream wrote:

Frigidus wrote:I understand what you're saying, but Gregorios basically said that athiesm is the result of weed and booze, and has often said that all athiests are moraless nihilists.

Hmm, I didn't read that into his post. I'll go back and read it again. Sometimes though I think people read too much into what other people are saying and think they know the motivations of the poster. I know I've done that myself and I have to try and keep an open mind.

Let me just say that I do not believe that atheists are the result of those behaviors.

Maybe I am misinterpreting based on his past posts, but I just don't have much else to go by. I have had momentary lapses of civility, but I try to avoid the fairy worship comparisons when I can. I guess that the internet is the only place where ridiculing others beliefs is at least kind of acceptable.

CoffeeCream wrote:It's been my experience while here that a majority, not all, of the atheists here have no problem ridiculing people who don't share their belief system.

I think the problem here is that atheism isn't the defining characsteric, it's the "argue a lot" one. You can see that the people on the atheist side generally also argue a lot in other discussions unrelated to religion. Most of the time they use ridicule there too. It's because ridicule is such a usefull weapon, particularly in online-discussions where you can think longer about your answer.

Perhaps people here have had just about enough of the ridicule and that would also include DangerBoy.

But the problem is that he calls it on himself. I don't believe you, or OnlyAmbrose or some others have been ridiculed as much as him. You are easy-going and friendly, so we have no reason to ridicule you. I think I speak for all of us that if our posts have offended you that we're sorry. I just have the tendency to make fun of people when they post ridiculous post, and often times the ridicule is more general because they are talking about general stuff.

Hopefully, I've restrained myself in my posts enough that people don't find me offensive.

I can not recall a single instance in my time here when I've found you offensive. I think you're pretty cool, and that your religion, while I might disagree with it, is no problem.

For my part, I came to the website not sure of the claims of Christianity and when I finally took the time to listen to my co-workers and people like Daddy1Gringo. I changed my mind and I'm pretty happy about it. I realize that it may not be for you but it appears that the majority of atheists think it's the end of the world when someone here talks about God.

It's not the God-thing, it's the tendency to take religion into other people's life. The gay-marriage thread is a prime example of that.
(Also, props for gringo who is pretty allright.)

I mean just check out Gregorio's post from a different discussion. He opened up and shared something deeply personal and was immediately attacked as being pompous. That's hardly fair.

But he was being pompous! His deeply personal story was highlighted by saying how believing in God is the only thing saving you from being arrogant and selfish. Read MeDeFe's post on it, and you'll see the things we took offense at.

CoffeeCream wrote:For my part, I came to the website not sure of the claims of Christianity and when I finally took the time to listen to my co-workers and people like Daddy1Gringo. I changed my mind and I'm pretty happy about it. I realize that it may not be for you but it appears that the majority of atheists think it's the end of the world when someone here talks about God.

I mean just check out Gregorio's post from a different discussion. He opened up and shared something deeply personal and was immediately attacked as being pompous. That's hardly fair.

Actually I've found the way you carry yourself in these conversations pretty tame. I wouldn't mind talking to Daddy1gringo myself. I've always been pretty curious about God and he seems like a person who would talk to you instead of at you.

silvanricky wrote:

CoffeeCream wrote:For my part, I came to the website not sure of the claims of Christianity and when I finally took the time to listen to my co-workers and people like Daddy1Gringo. I changed my mind and I'm pretty happy about it. I realize that it may not be for you but it appears that the majority of atheists think it's the end of the world when someone here talks about God.

I mean just check out Gregorio's post from a different discussion. He opened up and shared something deeply personal and was immediately attacked as being pompous. That's hardly fair.

Actually I've found the way you carry yourself in these conversations pretty tame. I wouldn't mind talking to Daddy1gringo myself. I've always been pretty curious about God and he seems like a person who would talk to you instead of at you.

I think if you were interested in talking about God you would do well with any of these believers...

daddy1gringo, crazyanglican, mr.nate, coffeecream, onlyambrose...and many others who im sure would be good to talk to but i dont read enough of their posts outside of small ranges of topics.

Frigidus wrote:

CoffeeCream wrote:I mean just check out Gregorio's post from a different discussion. He opened up and shared something deeply personal and was immediately attacked as being pompous. That's hardly fair.

I understand what you're saying, but Gregorios basically said that athiesm is the result of weed and booze, and has often said that all athiests are moraless nihilists.

Eh?

Back when I was an atheist, I did not go boozing and smoking pot. I knew that people around me did but I was never that popular. In fact, I was the guy all the bullies wanted a piece out of. Alot of the time, they got a knuckle sandwich as reward. But that didn't solve my problems. Didn't make things worse, unless you figure in that the principle would seem to punish me more than the bully in question. That was annoying to put it mildly.

I wasn't a nihilist immediately, but I was heading that way. Until, in the tenth grade, I started to take a hard look at myself and I was disgusted. It wasn't until that summer that I took the next step, and here I am now.

Perhaps Gregorios was exaggerating things a bit.

CoffeeCream wrote:

Snorri1234 wrote:

CoffeeCream wrote:I don't think they want to talk much more about it

Oh I'm willing to talk about it! It's just that this thread has gone the way of almost every thread and drawn in lots of the "debate-club" (by which I mean those fuckers who always talk about shit all the time of which I'm a part) which features a high percentage of atheists. The fact that Dangerboy merely said "bump" instead of talking about whatever bullshit he's talking about speaks volumes about the other side.

It's been my experience while here that a majority, not all, of the atheists here have no problem ridiculing people who don't share their belief system. Perhaps people here have had just about enough of the ridicule and that would also include DangerBoy. It's natural for someone like him to eventually respond and put the spotlight back on the insulters. I have tried to be as cordial as possible while on this site but to be honest sometimes it just doesn't seem worth it. Hopefully, I've restrained myself in my posts enough that people don't find me offensive.

For my part, I came to the website not sure of the claims of Christianity and when I finally took the time to listen to my co-workers and people like Daddy1Gringo. I changed my mind and I'm pretty happy about it. I realize that it may not be for you but it appears that the majority of atheists think it's the end of the world when someone here talks about God.

I mean just check out Gregorio's post from a different discussion. He opened up and shared something deeply personal and was immediately attacked as being pompous. That's hardly fair.

Here's the thing: Greg's post was an initial response to my post. While his surely heartfelt honesty was touching, his response was rather aggressive to my equally heartfelt and honest post. The thing is, my opinions, like yours seem to be, are thought out enough where petty attacks are really not enough to shake them. This is a good thing. It means that you are confident that your beliefs are correct. I am sincerely of the opinion that if your beliefs can't take a bit of ridicule from people you don't even know, then you need to seriously analyze those beliefs. Seeing people like danger or greg get worked up (I'll admit, it's fun, but that's because I'm a pretentious ass, like I've said before) does bother me a bit, because it shows that they have not yet reached the maturity necessary to discuss these things. Perhaps they will some day. Unfortunately, some never do.

I'm going to continue ridiculing Christianity, because my opinions have lead me to believe that it is ridiculous, and in some cases dangerous. Most people by now know that's my perspective on these things, and if they jump in, they do so knowing what they get into. Really, that's one of the things that I respect Nappy and Bradley for: they're damn persistent. Watching Danger and Greg and Ricky leap into frothy convulsions are really just bonuses for me. Like finding money in the dryer. Part of me hopes they stop, but most of me just wants to keep picking on them.

Whatever the reason, I do find it odd that it's always the atheists talking afterward about how awesome we are. I hate to see it, but for whatever reason, be it impatience on Christians' part, or overwhelming logic on the non-Christians', that's usually how it works.

Neoteny wrote:I'm going to continue ridiculing Christianity, because my opinions have lead me to believe that it is ridiculous, and in some cases dangerous.

The only problem is ... whose "Christianity" are you going to ridicule? That's the problem with "Christianity" while for the most part there is a general common belief, there are a lot of significant differences in the details. Some believe in a literal interpertation of the Bible, others do not. Some believe in the importance of the "sacraments" and others do not. Some believe in the infallicy of the Bible, others believe in the infallicy of the tradition passed through the church including the Bible, and others do not.

As I mentioned in another thread, Christians ridicule other Christians all the time, and far worse than what I've seen in this forum.

First paragraph seems pretty true. Unless your going to take a hitchens, harris, or dawkins stance against religion, your probably going to paint too broad of a brush stroke against religious believers. I also sort of believe there might be something to the idea that arguments and anger between believers might be greater than it is toward non-believers. I think its a pretty serious accusation to be seen as leading people astray, as opposed to someone who doesnt believe. Though my knowledge seems to be fading these days, it always seemed like the punishments were given with a bit extra disdain for those who were deemed to be fake, as opposed to those who never believed.

Jenos Ridan wrote:I wasn't a nihilist immediately, but I was heading that way. Until, in the tenth grade, I started to take a hard look at myself and I was disgusted. It wasn't until that summer that I took the next step, and here I am now.

If you don't mind me asking, what was the next step that you took?

protectedbygold wrote:

Jenos Ridan wrote:I wasn't a nihilist immediately, but I was heading that way. Until, in the tenth grade, I started to take a hard look at myself and I was disgusted. It wasn't until that summer that I took the next step, and here I am now.

If you don't mind me asking, what was the next step that you took?

He started eating babies.

Snorri1234 wrote:

protectedbygold wrote:

Jenos Ridan wrote:I wasn't a nihilist immediately, but I was heading that way. Until, in the tenth grade, I started to take a hard look at myself and I was disgusted. It wasn't until that summer that I took the next step, and here I am now.

If you don't mind me asking, what was the next step that you took?

He started eating babies.

Hail Satan!

tzor wrote:

Neoteny wrote:I'm going to continue ridiculing Christianity, because my opinions have lead me to believe that it is ridiculous, and in some cases dangerous.

The only problem is ... whose "Christianity" are you going to ridicule? That's the problem with "Christianity" while for the most part there is a general common belief, there are a lot of significant differences in the details. Some believe in a literal interpertation of the Bible, others do not. Some believe in the importance of the "sacraments" and others do not. Some believe in the infallicy of the Bible, others believe in the infallicy of the tradition passed through the church including the Bible, and others do not.

As I mentioned in another thread, Christians ridicule other Christians all the time, and far worse than what I've seen in this forum.

The dangerous part would definitely be limited to the minority, but as I consider the very premise of Christianity rather ridiculous in particular, as well as the commonalities among other religions, I don't think I can retract my current stance. The key is that I can very easily separate the person from the religion, and try to make it clear, at least in more personal interactions, that I can still enjoy one's presence and company but utterly dislike their religion. I definitely don't intend it as a personal attack, I just disagree with a majority of people in the world.

got tonkaed wrote:First paragraph seems pretty true. Unless your going to take a hitchens, harris, or dawkins stance against religion, your probably going to paint too broad of a brush stroke against religious believers. I also sort of believe there might be something to the idea that arguments and anger between believers might be greater than it is toward non-believers. I think its a pretty serious accusation to be seen as leading people astray, as opposed to someone who doesnt believe. Though my knowledge seems to be fading these days, it always seemed like the punishments were given with a bit extra disdain for those who were deemed to be fake, as opposed to those who never believed.

I actually do take a similar stance to those guys, although possibly not to the same extreme. I sincerely think the world would be no worse, if not much better without religion. I also think the potential picture of religion depicted by the people who are currently so quickly delineated from and by more sophisticated religionists is one that is not just mildly frightening. Additionally, I think the perspectives of many of our elected officials in the US, especially the Bush administration in the executive office, reflect a very unpleasant image on the status of the world.

tzor wrote:The only problem is ... whose "Christianity" are you going to ridicule? That's the problem with "Christianity" while for the most part there is a general common belief, there are a lot of significant differences in the details.

The common belief is the bit about the zombie and his invisible, telepathic dad though, right?

Neoteny wrote:The key is that I can very easily separate the person from the religion, and try to make it clear, at least in more personal interactions, that I can still enjoy one's presence and company but utterly dislike their religion. I definitely don't intend it as a personal attack, I just disagree with a majority of people in the world.

That's fine if true but a lot of posts by conquer club atheists are meant to be demeaning. If you don't believe there's a God then there's really no problem with that. The problem comes when you try to make people who do look like idiots. Atheists are in the minority, so are we to believe that a majority of people are stupid and only atheists are smart people?

DangerBoy wrote:That's fine if true but a lot of posts by conquer club atheists are meant to be demeaning. If you don't believe there's a God then there's really no problem with that. The problem comes when you try to make people who do look like idiots. Atheists are in the minority, so are we to believe that a majority of people are stupid and only atheists are smart people?

Yes.
The majority of people on this site are American and a large majority of America voted in Bush.

Twice.

DangerBoy wrote:The problem comes when you try to make people who do look like idiots.

If only you made us try a little harder...