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[Ragian]

its possable i misunderstood your question or

so 1)you asked if we can hold it agaisnt dds for forgetting he had played a game here 8 years ago- my response if you knew you had played before jsut not here would you forum check to see if by the off chance years ago you played so in essance i dont blame dds for forgetting he had played here especially it being 8 years ago

2)are they scummy for voting or FOS dds for forgetting a game 8 years ago... to a point kind of yes but not much... i say yes because lets face it who actually remembers playing 1 game out of who knows how many 8 years ago they obviously was looking for a reason to call him out and took advantage of the fact that he forgot 1 game 8 years ago

Quick reply here: I put the two as rhetorical questions, so that I could answer them. Which I did. Regarding 1) we agree, not regarding 2). I thought that you thought that I actually posed the questions, but I guess you just replied to my thoughts on the matter.

[Ragian]

@dakky,do you find anyone scummy at this point?

Since we're still in the joke phase obviously (or very close to it), I don't have anyone on my list who looks extremely scummy.
I do notice that Tim is repeating what others said in his own words, sticking to the every case... but he does that in every game so.. not enough to pursuit him.

fp'd by Chu and as he says - yeah, generally not lynching is a bad idea and is generally scummy.

Joke vote phase? Come on, man. I'm not looking for "extremely scummy", I'm asking why you're staying out of harms way. (Is that usually in the genetive? Only ever heard it, never read it.)

[dakky21]

I just don't want to claim ASAP and steer the conversation in that way.

Claiming surely produces talk, but in a game like this, one can (I'm not, just saying) claim being a Superman, a battleship or even a microwave oven. It won't help in either case fight the scum and that's the reason I'm trying to stay low. If I turn my turbo mode on, you'll have a full claim in seconds which will just make me a target for Apollo 13 or T-Rex or whoever we're playing against. As someone said before, wait for page 10

[TimWoodbury]

its possable i misunderstood your question or

so 1)you asked if we can hold it agaisnt dds for forgetting he had played a game here 8 years ago- my response if you knew you had played before jsut not here would you forum check to see if by the off chance years ago you played so in essance i dont blame dds for forgetting he had played here especially it being 8 years ago

2)are they scummy for voting or FOS dds for forgetting a game 8 years ago... to a point kind of yes but not much... i say yes because lets face it who actually remembers playing 1 game out of who knows how many 8 years ago they obviously was looking for a reason to call him out and took advantage of the fact that he forgot 1 game 8 years ago

Quick reply here: I put the two as rhetorical questions, so that I could answer them. Which I did. Regarding 1) we agree, not regarding 2). I thought that you thought that I actually posed the questions, but I guess you just replied to my thoughts on the matter.

ahh i see seems we just misunderstood each other.

[TimWoodbury]

soo dakky your saying your gonna just be more or less as useless as me and mitch till page 10 and then your gonna actually play the game?

[dakky21]

soo dakky your saying your gonna just be more or less as useless as me and mitch till page 10 and then your gonna actually play the game?

I'm saying exactly that, if something doesn't happen till page 10 I'll claim and you can be pretty sure you will survive N1 with your play. 10 pages of nothing and you being you doesn't mean anything. I'd forbid you two from playing mafia games if I was an admin.

[TimWoodbury]

ill survive N1 but will i survive N2 when was the last time me or mitch or you made it to D3 anyways

[Ragian]

No one is asking you to claim. Just take a frigging stand on the stuff going on. Otherwise, why bother playing?

[DirtyDishSoap]

It's since been retracted, but my initial statement earlier was either buried or skimmed by. The FOS remains. I can't vote on D1 without any information other than folks trying to bandwagon, rather have N1 commence and see where it takes us from there.

In general not lynching is a bad idea. It's one of the biggest tools that town has, in order to get information and to have the % chance that a scum dies. Almost any lynch is preferable to a no lynch.

Different for me then, I'll just have to adapt to it.

Vote everyone!

[madmitch]

@ Nag why are you voting for yourself ? Does not any one else find this weird or scummy ? My vote stays on you until I get a proper answer.

[nagerous]

@ Nag why are you voting for yourself ? Does not any one else find this weird or scummy ? My vote stays on you until I get a proper answer.

Maybe it is designed to root out people who find this sort of thing scummy as they are clearly trying too hard to build a case on fragmented evidence which is often an indication that they are scum themselves.... or maybe it is just a joke vote from earlier on in the game that I hadn't bothered to unvote on.

Either way if people like you are trying to build cases around this sort of behaviour then it is serving a purpose as it is initiating discussion.

[strike wolf]

Head pounding can't focus deadline in a little over 48 hrs.

[nagerous]

It's since been retracted, but my initial statement earlier was either buried or skimmed by. The FOS remains. I can't vote on D1 without any information other than folks trying to bandwagon, rather have N1 commence and see where it takes us from there.

In general not lynching is a bad idea. It's one of the biggest tools that town has, in order to get information and to have the % chance that a scum dies. Almost any lynch is preferable to a no lynch.

I'm not convinced on the legionnaire case to be honest, it seems to be based around inactivity and a couple of antagonistic comments - it seems pretty weak to me in its present form.

However, this is the scummiest thing in the thread to date. DDS is a 'new player' I know but suggesting no lynch is a massive scum tell that new players often fall through and pretty often they turn out scum. unvote vote DDS

Around here some of us may call it doing a spiesr https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... +no+lynch+

[Skoffin]

Really? In my experience it's usually nub town that try to no lynch, far more often than any nub scum.
going to do a re-read, but so far I'm feeling chu, sam or dakky.

If you would like someone to be aggressive af, I'm willing to give it a go; I just started a brutal new job this week however, so tomorrow I'll be around to take names and rek scrubs.

Spoiler

I'll rek u scrub 1v1 maccas carpark

[DirtyDishSoap]

Really? In my experience it's usually nub town that try to no lynch, far more often than any nub scum.
going to do a re-read, but so far I'm feeling chu, sam or dakky.

If you would like someone to be aggressive af, I'm willing to give it a go; I just started a brutal new job this week however, so tomorrow I'll be around to take names and rek scrubs.

Spoiler

I'll rek u scrub 1v1 maccas carpark

Spoiler

[Skoffin]

I'm telling my mum on you.


Anyway!
Choices must be made. The game is slow and we lack progress. Of what we have currently, my top pick for now is going to be Dakky. While I appreciate that he wishes to amend his playstyle and improve, his actions this game thus far have appeared dubious. He is normally quite an active character from what little I've seen of him but he has been very passive and quiet this game. Along with that he seemed rather twitchy that I might appear to be 'defendeing' him when I questioned Tim about his stance on dakky. He seemed overly concerned that it might look like he has 'buddies' in this game and I don't think it was necessary for a town player to be concerned about that, as such it appears that he may very well be scum that doesn't want to look like he has ties to any players. And then, strangely, after being defensive about the appearance that someone might be 'defending' him he then goes to willing 'follow' that some player? Ehhhh

Unvote vote dakky

[legionnare]

Rereading the thread, I find legion to be the most scummy. It may be blinders from the beginning of the game that cloud my judgement, but his and my initial back and forth topped with chu's thoughts make Legion come off as scummy to me.

unvote vote legion

I would also like to add that dakky and mets seem quiet. Mets, from what I understand from previous games, likes to shoot down bullshit rather than add, so perhaps this is in line with his meta. Dakky, however, is usually very vocal. I have no issue with changing one's style of play, but dakky has also seemed somewhat rigid in his replies. That raises one brow here.

Any thoughts on the game so far, dakky and mets?

Fp'ed by dj

You do realise that our back and forth was a bit of fun for the jokey part of the game yeah? Also this seems like an attempt at putting out a safe vote as I have not been as active as I should have been. A wee FOS toward you Ragian

[legionnare]

@Fircoal, You've stated the reason pretty much yourself, there was little in the thread to talk about, so why an immediate OMGUS vote rather than take the time to talk through it? As for robotic, yeah I see that, it was a rushed post, as I have had very little free time over the last week.

While I'm going to FOS skoffin for the OMGUS vote, I've not really seen much else to comment on.
Unvote my joke vote.

I know OMGUS votes are in general scummy but are you even looking at the context that is around it or are you just saying that to say that? Because you're not adding much of anything nor as you pushing the game forward. Your statement seems robotic and devoid of any feeling of trying to get scum. Just a "Well this person did X so they're slightly more suspcious." Context is important. What was so scummy about Skoffin's OMGUS vote?

........

In any case. Unvote. Vote: Legionaire. It's not much but I feel a sense of squirmness from him. He hasn't added much nor has he really tried to. Every post of his in the last week has been him defending himself:

Spoiler

vote dakky

He's bound to claim on D1 anyway, let's just get it over with

We post our votes in Green, like this:

vote Mets

> accuses me of skimming

> fails to notice that someone called me out for the red vote literally two posts earlier

So I can't also call you out? Why?

You don't know what town cred means?

But WHAT would gain town cred? How?

To me, it seemed like legion reiterated what I had already stated in an attempt to say, "See how good a townie I am." --> Town cred.

To me, it seemed like I was reiterated what you had already stated because that's how mafia works, one person calls out an error and others concur...creating a voting bloc...

Right. You didn't realise mine was a joke?

Right. You didn't realise mine was taking the piss?

Plus the robotic FOS I mentioned before. It's not much but I would like to see him talk more personally.

I wouldn't say it was me being defensive, as I stated to Ragian, I was just having a bit of fun during the joke phase (but seeing as I am a robot, perhaps I have yet to master this "fun" thing? )

[madmitch]

@ Nag ,I accept your explaination , thanks, unvote

[DirtyDishSoap]

It's since been retracted, but my initial statement earlier was either buried or skimmed by. The FOS remains. I can't vote on D1 without any information other than folks trying to bandwagon, rather have N1 commence and see where it takes us from there.

In general not lynching is a bad idea. It's one of the biggest tools that town has, in order to get information and to have the % chance that a scum dies. Almost any lynch is preferable to a no lynch.

I'm not convinced on the legionnaire case to be honest, it seems to be based around inactivity and a couple of antagonistic comments - it seems pretty weak to me in its present form.

However, this is the scummiest thing in the thread to date. DDS is a 'new player' I know but suggesting no lynch is a massive scum tell that new players often fall through and pretty often they turn out scum. unvote vote DDS

Around here some of us may call it doing a spiesr https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... +no+lynch+

So based off past experiences with one other new player, I'm just to be instantly assumed scum? Pretty faulty logic if you ask me.

[Samlen]

It's since been retracted, but my initial statement earlier was either buried or skimmed by. The FOS remains. I can't vote on D1 without any information other than folks trying to bandwagon, rather have N1 commence and see where it takes us from there.

In general not lynching is a bad idea. It's one of the biggest tools that town has, in order to get information and to have the % chance that a scum dies. Almost any lynch is preferable to a no lynch.

I'm not convinced on the legionnaire case to be honest, it seems to be based around inactivity and a couple of antagonistic comments - it seems pretty weak to me in its present form.

However, this is the scummiest thing in the thread to date. DDS is a 'new player' I know but suggesting no lynch is a massive scum tell that new players often fall through and pretty often they turn out scum. unvote vote DDS

Around here some of us may call it doing a spiesr https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... +no+lynch+

So based off past experiences with one other new player, I'm just to be instantly assumed scum? Pretty faulty logic if you ask me.

Have to agree with dds here cause wanting no lynch =/= scum. I'm often fine with a no-lynch day 1 since we have the least amount of info, and, in games we know the mafia/town ratio I remember reading about it being advantageous for town to go into the night with either an odd or even amount (Meaning that no lynching could, statistically be better. Though this only works with open and more 'vanilla' setups but it still means that suggesting no-lynch =/= scum)

[DirtyDishSoap]

I typically don't like day 1 lynches because of that fact of little to no info, you're more likely to lynch a townie then scum. Different games though, mine are typically done in a speed fashion, done in hour practically. So new set up for me.

[Fircoal]

I just don't want to claim ASAP and steer the conversation in that way.

Claiming surely produces talk, but in a game like this, one can (I'm not, just saying) claim being a Superman, a battleship or even a microwave oven. It won't help in either case fight the scum and that's the reason I'm trying to stay low. If I turn my turbo mode on, you'll have a full claim in seconds which will just make me a target for Apollo 13 or T-Rex or whoever we're playing against. As someone said before, wait for page 10

How would claiming help out the town in discussion? All it would do is make the scum more aware of what is out there while also giving them a better idea of who to kill it's a very bad idea unless it's a last result. Why do you keep on bringing it up?

Really? In my experience it's usually nub town that try to no lynch, far more often than any nub scum.

I would agree with that. At this point I don't think DDS is scum but rather someone with very different ideas of what to do in mafia.

As for robotic, yeah I see that, it was a rushed post, as I have had very little free time over the last week.

Fair enough. Do you have anything to add right now though? Anyone you find suspicious?

I typically don't like day 1 lynches because of that fact of little to no info, you're more likely to lynch a townie then scum. Different games though, mine are typically done in a speed fashion, done in hour practically. So new set up for me.

The problem is then what do we have to go on on Day 2. Not to mention that we waste one of the town's useful tools.

[Ragian]

Rereading the thread, I find legion to be the most scummy. It may be blinders from the beginning of the game that cloud my judgement, but his and my initial back and forth topped with chu's thoughts make Legion come off as scummy to me.

unvote vote legion

I would also like to add that dakky and mets seem quiet. Mets, from what I understand from previous games, likes to shoot down bullshit rather than add, so perhaps this is in line with his meta. Dakky, however, is usually very vocal. I have no issue with changing one's style of play, but dakky has also seemed somewhat rigid in his replies. That raises one brow here.

Any thoughts on the game so far, dakky and mets?

Fp'ed by dj

You do realise that our back and forth was a bit of fun for the jokey part of the game yeah? Also this seems like an attempt at putting out a safe vote as I have not been as active as I should have been. A wee FOS toward you Ragian

Something can be learned from having fun. You seemed overly annoyed by my one vote. But if my vote makes you participate as much as you ought to (your words), it serves a decent purpose. Your two latest posts haven't exactly yielded too much, though, so perhaps leaving my vote will get you to participate? Loads of stuff out there now. What say you about skoffin's thoughts on dakky?

[Metsfanmax]

Rereading the thread, I find legion to be the most scummy. It may be blinders from the beginning of the game that cloud my judgement, but his and my initial back and forth topped with chu's thoughts make Legion come off as scummy to me.

unvote vote legion

I would also like to add that dakky and mets seem quiet. Mets, from what I understand from previous games, likes to shoot down bullshit rather than add, so perhaps this is in line with his meta. Dakky, however, is usually very vocal. I have no issue with changing one's style of play, but dakky has also seemed somewhat rigid in his replies. That raises one brow here.

Any thoughts on the game so far, dakky and mets?

Fp'ed by dj

You do realise that our back and forth was a bit of fun for the jokey part of the game yeah? Also this seems like an attempt at putting out a safe vote as I have not been as active as I should have been. A wee FOS toward you Ragian

This seems a bit like OMGUS in nature. Given the dearth of other useful information, I'm going to unvote, vote legionnare.