Conquer Club

New dice SUCK

I changed my countdown from 11 to 1. I cant even make it to 101010. Thanks for the games, and some very, very interesting conversations.

And sorry for those, few occasions, when I may have been wrong.

today is the last day.

AAFitz wrote:I changed my countdown from 11 to 1. I cant even make it to 101010. Thanks for the games, and some very, very interesting conversations.

And sorry for those, few occasions, when I may have been wrong.

today is the last day.

NOOO DONT LEAVE AAFitz. PLEASE!!!!!!!! PRETTY PLEASE!!!!! what must i do to get you to stay.

cya Fitzy

Wait what the hell? I had no idea you were going. Take care Fitz.

stahrgazer wrote:

Woodruff wrote:That really doesn't follow, from a logic perspective. Even if the last 50 rolls are "crud rolls", your opponent is drawing his rolls from those same 50 pieces of crud that you are.

Not while you're rolling, silly, except in freestyle.

Yes, they absolutely are. Because when YOU are rolling, the defense is also getting their dice. So your opponent absolutely IS drawing his rolls from those same 50 pieces of crud that you are. Logically, this MUST be true...otherwise, the offensive and defensive dice would be rolled at different times, and we certainly know that is not the case.

I'll sum it for all of you. The new dice suck. Enough said. I will be among those that are leaving in droves once their memberships expire due to the dice debacle. It might be wise for cc to pay some mind to what people are saying instead of defending what they see as a vast improvement.

I actually was going to post a question if the had changed them back. Perhaps I am just more used to them after a few months, but they do seem to resemble those Ive had through the years, and not the latest batch. My guess is the answer is no, and it would be crazy on anyones part not to accept that any problems are actually in the head.

If one assumes the dice are random, they will conclude and find evidence they are.
If one assumes the dice are not random, they will conclude and find evidence they are not.

I do suspect the problem is that random, is random.

In any case... I leave you to the dice and the game.

Fitz

Goodbye, and thanks for all the fish

AAFish?

AoG the answer to what you ask is 42.

This is an improvement on the site.

Certainly a completly dispensable player, really annoying with all the nonsense in his wall of text. Maybe not the most righteous feeling, but I'm actually enjoying that this guy is gone.

It seems like darwinism can work even in web sites communities.

Goodbye AAFitz, after all this time and even though I haven't spoke to you in a while I hope I can still call you a friend. Maybe our paths with cross again one day, maybe.

Bye

Woodruff wrote:

stahrgazer wrote:

Woodruff wrote:That really doesn't follow, from a logic perspective. Even if the last 50 rolls are "crud rolls", your opponent is drawing his rolls from those same 50 pieces of crud that you are.

Not while you're rolling, silly, except in freestyle.

Yes, they absolutely are. Because when YOU are rolling, the defense is also getting their dice. So your opponent absolutely IS drawing his rolls from those same 50 pieces of crud that you are. Logically, this MUST be true...otherwise, the offensive and defensive dice would be rolled at different times, and we certainly know that is not the case.

Babe, you're confusing CC with "Risk." In "Risk" the attacker rolls, and the defender rolls.\

In CC, somebody already rolled 2, 3, 4, or 5 dice, stuck the first 50,000 RESULTS of 1v1, 2v1, 2v2, 3v1, or 3v2 results in a list, uses a program to start somewhere randomly on the list, and refreshes the list when all the results have been used, or on the hour, whichever comes first.

It's "random" because us dummies have no clue where on the list the thing starts, or how many 2, 2, 3 and 6, 6 rolls got to the list, but it's LESS random than when attacker and defender roll actual dice.

And whether you get a 'good streak' or a 'bad streak' is as dependent on "what's left in the list?" as it is luck.

*looks around*

Is he gone yet?



*takes pants off*


Muchhhhhhhhhhhh better.

Stahr, I could be wrong, but the slight edge the attacker had due to numerical superiority (rolling 3 dice vs 2 for defender) seems to have disappeared.

It seems to me that when I auto a stack versus a similar stack, say 50 attacking 48 it almost always ends up close to even. The edge of 3 dice seems to have disappeared. I do not feel they are reflective of real odds anymore.

notyou2 wrote:Stahr, I could be wrong, but the slight edge the attacker had due to numerical superiority (rolling 3 dice vs 2 for defender) seems to have disappeared.

It seems to me that when I auto a stack versus a similar stack, say 50 attacking 48 it almost always ends up close to even. The edge of 3 dice seems to have disappeared. I do not feel they are reflective of real odds anymore.

And he is back posting already. He should get a forum ban for trolling GD with such a bs thread. "I'm leaving, please tell me you liked me, just kidding, I am back"

Yeah, I'm AAFatty's multi JFatLip.

stahrgazer wrote:

Woodruff wrote:

stahrgazer wrote:

Woodruff wrote:That really doesn't follow, from a logic perspective. Even if the last 50 rolls are "crud rolls", your opponent is drawing his rolls from those same 50 pieces of crud that you are.

Not while you're rolling, silly, except in freestyle.

Yes, they absolutely are. Because when YOU are rolling, the defense is also getting their dice. So your opponent absolutely IS drawing his rolls from those same 50 pieces of crud that you are. Logically, this MUST be true...otherwise, the offensive and defensive dice would be rolled at different times, and we certainly know that is not the case.

Babe, you're confusing CC with "Risk." In "Risk" the attacker rolls, and the defender rolls.\

In CC, somebody already rolled 2, 3, 4, or 5 dice, stuck the first 50,000 RESULTS of 1v1, 2v1, 2v2, 3v1, or 3v2 results in a list, uses a program to start somewhere randomly on the list, and refreshes the list when all the results have been used, or on the hour, whichever comes first.

It's "random" because us dummies have no clue where on the list the thing starts, or how many 2, 2, 3 and 6, 6 rolls got to the list, but it's LESS random than when attacker and defender roll actual dice.

And whether you get a 'good streak' or a 'bad streak' is as dependent on "what's left in the list?" as it is luck.

You're not even keeping your own story straight. Is it 50 pieces of crud or is it a list of 50,000? Because my logic is sound either way...both the attacker and defender are getting their "rolls" from precisely the same place.

You don't even have the facts correct, because the list is not replaced "when all the results have been used", since the whole list is used each time a series of rolls starts. THERE IS NO "WHAT'S LEFT ON THE LIST", PERIOD.

jbrettlip wrote:

notyou2 wrote:Stahr, I could be wrong, but the slight edge the attacker had due to numerical superiority (rolling 3 dice vs 2 for defender) seems to have disappeared.

It seems to me that when I auto a stack versus a similar stack, say 50 attacking 48 it almost always ends up close to even. The edge of 3 dice seems to have disappeared. I do not feel they are reflective of real odds anymore.

And he is back posting already. He should get a forum ban for trolling GD with such a bs thread. "I'm leaving, please tell me you liked me, just kidding, I am back"

Perhaps a forum ban is indeed in order, but this was clearly never a Im leaving, please tell me you liked me thread.....it was far much of a Im so sick of this place im being an asshole thread and have to leave for a bit.

In any case, thanks for taking time out of your day to show you care about me. It means a lot. Really.

AAFitz wrote: im being an asshole
Really.

Hi AA!

We do care bud. May you get a forum ban + a game kick.

Welcome back even if it is just for one last post.

P.S. If you run around bitching about dice it pisses people off a lot more.

yes but jiffyjefjef, the new dice DO suck

jefjef wrote:

AAFitz wrote: im being an asshole
Really.

Hi AA!

We do care bud. May you get a forum ban + a game kick.

Welcome back even if it is just for one last post.

P.S. If you run around bitching about dice it pisses people off a lot more.

Anyone who cares what I say, or gets pissed, should take a break from this place as well.

notyou2 wrote:yes but jiffyjefjef, the new dice DO suck

Yes 2younot. They do suck. This crap isn't random. Manipultion does not = random.

Hey AA while your here could you retitle this thread to dice rants plz.

AAFitz wrote:

jefjef wrote:

AAFitz wrote: im being an asshole
Really.

Hi AA!

We do care bud. May you get a forum ban + a game kick.

Welcome back even if it is just for one last post.

P.S. If you run around bitching about dice it pisses people off a lot more.

Anyone who cares what I say, or gets pissed, should take a break from this place as well.

Agreed, breaks are nice for awhile. May even give some of the players their first opportunity and see the sun!

I took a good break awhile back too, and it seemed to actually make me play better when i got back. I had som many games going that i wouldnt think moves through and basically attacked places that didnt need to be, giving myself much worse odds even with the streaky dice. A good week or so off refreshes the mind and brings you back to the basics...