Conquer Club

warmonger1981 wrote:Just wondering Saxi... Do you hate Jews or Israel?

Israel. It would be beyond hysterical for me to "hate Jews" IRL.

However, the only solution to world peace is a one-state solution where that one-state is the State of Palestine from the river to the sea. Because two states can't exist on the same territory, Israel will need to go away. No biggie. It's not a real state anyway, it's kind-of a rump state - the sons of a bunch of Armenian shit farmers playing "pretend we have a state" like little girls play house. The world will keep spinning when it's gone.

warmonger1981 wrote:Do you consider people who lean more Right to be in the same bucket as Jews

That would be pretty silly as Hitler "leaned right" and I don't think he was "in the same bucket as Jews" whatever that means. Though, according to Benjamin Netanyahu's latest bile, Hitler didn't really want to launch the Holocaut, the Ay-rabs made him do it. (This is the same pseudo-historic conspiracy crap GabonX tried schilling here a few pages ago. Weirdly it will probably gain traction in the U.S. as a legitimate idea within a few years. If you are the kind of person who believes in a magic book of spells and that Bristol Palin got pregnant from a toilet seat, you can probably be convinced of pretty much anything.)

Thus is how to ave a conversation. Well done. Doesn't Jewish religion influence Israeli policy? Technically why does Palestine have land rights instead of Israel? The reason I ask the right wing with Jews is because you seem to corelate each other within the same paragraph often. I have a view on Hitler. Check out Wall Street & the Rise of Hitler
by Antony C. Sutton and The Farhud: Roots of the Arab-Nazi Alliance in the Holocaust
by Edwin Black or IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance Between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation-Expanded Edition
by Edwin Black (Author)

warmonger1981 wrote:Doesn't Jewish religion influence Israeli policy?

First, I don't believe stealing, murder, rape, lying, torture, and racism are part of the Jewish religion, so don't personally believe Judaism influences Israeli policy.

Second, not even all Jews agree on that. Segments of Orthodox Jewry, to start with --



-- but also large segments of secular Jews and many of the Old Yeshiva. Jews are not some monolithic entity with a hive mind.

If your position is the Jewish religion can't survive without the "state" of Israel, I don't buy it. The Druze get by without their own state just fine. And if Judaism is really so fragile that it truly can't survive if Israel doesn't. Oh well. That's why we have museums.

warmonger1981 wrote:Technically why does Palestine have land rights instead of Israel?

This has already been exhaustively addressed previously.

warmonger1981 wrote:The reason I ask the right wing with Jews is because you seem to corelate each other within the same paragraph often.

The right does have a lock on Israel support in the United States. But this, intrinsically, has nothing to do with Conservatism, it has to do with a very successful PR campaign the Israeli embassy ran in the late 1970s in the U.S. that targeted conservatives and now plays to the singularly dumbest segments of the U.S. population - the parts to which people like Sarah Palin and Donald Trump preach. Outside the U.S. the right doesn't necessarily support Israel. And intellectual American conservatives, whose meal tickets aren't getting punched by preaching to the dull masses, like Taki Theodoracopulos, Scott McConnell, Phil Giraldi, etc., tend to oppose Israel, too.

Prior to the 1970s, in the U.S., the opposite was true. Israel, since it was founded as a declared socialist state, tended to attract support from the American Left. Meanwhile, conservatives in both the Democratic and Republican parties, like Eisenhower and Kennedy, tended to oppose Israel.The Israelis were armed in the 1948 Arab-Israeli War by the Communist Bloc, most notably with a shipment of half-a-million Czechoslovakian small arms moved by Soviet aircraft. At the time, Eisenhower and Eden had imposed an arms embargo on what is now Israel to prevent the duplicitous Zionists from engineering the genocide that they ultimately staged. After the Nakba, seeing the hopeless barbarism of the Israeli state, the Left flipped its support to the cause of Palestinian liberation.

warmonger1981 wrote: I have a view on Hitler. Check out Wall Street & the Rise of Hitler
by Antony C. Sutton and The Farhud: Roots of the Arab-Nazi Alliance in the Holocaust
by Edwin Black or IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance Between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation-Expanded Edition
by Edwin Black (Author)

I'm not interested in Hitler. Hitler has been dead for 80 years and is irrelevant. The Zionists use him as a bogeyman to distract well-meaning people. Netanyahu is the modern Hitler.

Who were these Zionists who used Hitler? Do you have any names? The Jewish State can survive without borders. I won't dispute that. You've said before that the Jews regard non Jews as dispensable or to be used. So doesn't that come into play with the ideology of the Israeli government? Isn't everybody dispensable?

warmonger1981 wrote:Who were these Zionists who used Hitler? Do you have any names?

Your mind seems to have been so scrambled by your Illuminati/Freemasonry conspiracies that you reimagine any throwaway statement to be a coded message about a vast secret agenda.

I said "the Zionists use Hitler as a boogeyman" and it got jumbled up in your brain as 'the Zionists used [past tense] Hitler [full stop]."

warmonger1981 wrote: You've said before that the Jews regard non Jews as dispensable or to be used.

I did?

I'm pretty sure I've never used the phrase "the Jews" in my life.

warmonger1981 wrote:The Jewish State can survive without borders. I won't dispute that.

OK. That's nice. But I don't know what "the Jewish State" is. Never heard of it.

warmonger1981 wrote:So doesn't that come into play with the ideology of the Israeli government? Isn't everybody dispensable?

I, honestly, didn't understand a single thing you just said.

Sorry.

My bad. So how about the current Zionists and Netanyahu. Who are the Zionists that are controlling/using Netanyahu?

warmonger1981 wrote:My bad. So how about the current Zionists and Netanyahu. Who are the Zionists that are controlling/using Netanyahu?

Duh! The Russians. Who would ever suspect the Russians? No one, that's who.

I'm surprised saxi hasn't posted ahout how Israel asked to up their defense aid to 5 bil yet...

-TG

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:I'm surprised saxi hasn't posted ahout how Israel asked to up their defense aid to 5 bil yet...

-TG

Best part is it went down like this ...

(1) Official spokesman of the Israeli government goes on Facebook and calls Obama an Anti-Semite (does warmonger work for Israel?),

(2) Israeli government then immediately asks Obama to approve their request for $5 billion.

The best part is they'll probably get it no-questions-asked. I mean they machine-gunned 31 U.S. Navy sailors to death and there was only a 72-hour delay in transferring the Pharoah's gold that year. On three separate occasions in the last 30 years (that we know of) either the CIA or FBI has caught Israel selling U.S. military secrets to the Chinese People's Liberation Army, including methods to get through ship anti-aircraft screens and sink U.S. Navy vessels and nothing happened.

Netanyahu could walk into the home of any family in Wilkes-Barre, P.A. and rape everyone then slit their guts open and smear their intestines across his face and nothing would happen. And they know it. And they laugh about it. The U.S. is Israel's doormat and Americans are a slave race who draw breath at Israel's pleasure (literally - as the crew of the USS Liberty learned).

saxitoxin wrote:

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:I'm surprised saxi hasn't posted ahout how Israel asked to up their defense aid to 5 bil yet...

-TG

Best part is it went down like this ...

(1) Official spokesman of the Israeli government goes on Facebook and calls Obama an Anti-Semite (does warmonger work for Israel?),

(2) Israeli government then immediately asks Obama to approve their request for $5 billion.

The best part is they'll probably get it no-questions-asked. I mean they machine-gunned 31 U.S. Navy sailors to death and there was only a 72-hour delay in transferring the Pharoah's gold that year. On three separate occasions in the last 30 years (that we know of) either the CIA or FBI has caught Israel selling U.S. military secrets to the Chinese People's Liberation Army, including methods to get through ship anti-aircraft screens and sink U.S. Navy vessels and nothing happened.

Netanyahu could walk into the home of any family in Wilkes-Barre, P.A. and rape everyone then slit their guts open and smear their intestines across his face and nothing would happen. And they know it. And they laugh about it. The U.S. is Israel's doormat and Americans are a slave race who draw breath at Israel's pleasure (literally - as the crew of the USS Liberty learned).

On the Road to Armageddon! Yes, the right wing Christians need Israel to fulfill their destiny.

Bernie Sanders wrote: On the Road to Armageddon! Yes, the right wing Christians need Israel to fulfill their destiny.

Yup. It'll be funny to see their reaction when the forces of world peace end up smashing Israel into a million pieces and sweeping it into the ocean. Your destiny won't be fulfilled this aeon - SORZ!

I don't understand how someone who has no personal connection to any part of the Middle East and has lived their entire lives in America can care in the slightest what happens to Israel.

You caught me Saxi. I've been building a profile on you. It seems your a conspiracy theorist who believes Zionists control the world and America is its puppet. Is the Protocols of the Elders of Zion on your bedside table?

warmonger1981 wrote:You caught me Saxi. I've been building a profile on you. It seems your a conspiracy theorist who believes Zionists control the world and America is its puppet. Is the Protocols of the Elders of Zion on your bedside table?

wach - his next post will be to ask if he can borrow 20 bucks

Can I borrow your lips?

saxitoxin wrote:
Yup. It'll be funny to see their reaction when the forces of world peace end up smashing Israel into a million pieces and sweeping it into the ocean. Your destiny won't be fulfilled this aeon - SORZ!

Ja Saxi, drive the JEWS into the ocean! Why waste time cramming JEWS into rail carts and pack them into concentration camps? Use bullets? Gas? No! Sweep them into the ocean, brilliant!

I promote you Saxi to Field Marshall of Palastine! Afterwards, we will deal with the filthy ARABS!



Power to the new Aryan Brotherhood.

Bernie Sanders wrote:

the warmongers have people like Ted Cruz, Bernie Sanders, Ben Carson, John McCain, and Mike Huckabee on their side

the forces of world peace have people like Noam Chomsky, Ralph Nader, Nelson Mandela, Pope Francis, Dennis Kucinich, and Max Blumenthal on ours



that's why we will win and Israel will lose - stupidity always goes extinct

saxitoxin wrote:Hitler was a great man

Bernie Sanders wrote:

Nothing to see here, just another page from the Fruitcake Fringe playbook. When the forces of world peace have you and your right-wing nutter friends outflanked, start screaming "Holocaust! Holocaust!" and "Hallelujah Jesus!" as loud as you can to drown them out.

Rabbis Against Israel at the Jerusalem Day Rally in New York! Go Jews! Your friends in the international progressive peace and social justice movement support your desire to obliterate the doll house state of Israel and create one Palestinian nation united from the river to the sea.



For the sake of our children, we must burn this bitch to the ground.

How do you feel about the status of Knights of Malta? Here's a rundown.

The Sovereign Military Order of Malta is headquartered in Rome, Italy, and is widely considered a sovereign subject of international law.[7]
With its unique history and unusual present circumstances, the exact status of the Order in international law has been the subject of debate. It describes itself as a "sovereign subject of international law." Its two headquarters in Rome — the Palazzo Malta in Via dei Condotti 68, where the Grand Master resides and Government Bodies meet, and the Villa del Priorato di Malta on the Aventine, which hosts the Grand Priory of Rome — Fort St. Angelo on the island of Malta, the Embassy of the Order to Holy See and the Embassy of the Order to Italy have all been granted extraterritoriality.[21]

Unlike the Holy See, however, which is sovereign over Vatican City and thus has clear territorial separation of its sovereign area and that of Italy, SMOM has had no territory since the loss of the island of Malta in 1798, other than only those current properties with extraterritoriality listed above. Italy recognizes, in addition to extraterritoriality, the exercise by SMOM of all the prerogatives of sovereignty in its headquarters. Therefore, Italian sovereignty and SMOM sovereignty uniquely coexist without overlapping.[22] The United Nations does not classify it as a "non-member state" or "intergovernmental organization" but as one of the "other entities having received a standing invitation to participate as observers."[23] For instance, while the International Telecommunication Union has granted radio identification prefixes to such quasi-sovereign jurisdictions as the United Nations and the Palestinian Authority, SMOM has never received one.
Wengler—a German professor of international law—addresses this point in his book Völkerrecht (1964), and rejects the notion that recognition of the Order by some states can make it a subject of international law. Conversely, professor Rebecca Wallace —writing more recently in her book International Law (1986)—explains that a sovereign entity does not have to be a country, and that SMOM is an example of this.[28] This position appears to be supported by the number of nations extending diplomatic relations to the Order, which more than doubled from 49 to 100 in the 20-year period to 2008.[29] In 1953, the Holy See decreed that the Order of Malta's quality as a sovereign institution is functional, to ensure the achievement of its purposes in the world, and that as a subject of international law, it enjoys certain powers, but not the entire set of powers of sovereignty "in the full sense of the word."[30] On 24 June 1961, Pope John XXIII approved the Constitutional Charter, which contains the most solemn reaffirmations of the sovereignty of the Order. Article 1 affirms that "the Order is a legal entity formally approved by the Holy See. It has the quality of a subject of international law." Article 3 states that "the intimate connection existing between the two qualities of a religious order and a sovereign order do not oppose the autonomy of the order in the exercise of its sovereignty and prerogatives inherent to it as a subject of international law in relation to States."[31]

SMOM has formal diplomatic relations with 105 states[32] and has official relations with another six countries and the European Union. Additionally it has relations with the International Committee of the Red Cross and a number of international organizations, including observer status at the UN and some of the specialized agencies.[33] Its international nature is useful in enabling it to pursue its humanitarian activities without being seen as an operative of any particular nation. Its sovereignty is also expressed in the issuance of passports, licence plates,[34] stamps,[35] and coins.[36]

The supreme head of the Order is the Grand Master, who is elected for life by the Council Complete of State, holds the precedence of a cardinal of the Church since 1630 and received the rank of Reichsfürst (Prince of the Holy Roman Empire) in 1607.

Sourced from Wikipedia.



Just in case you don't know what Extraterritoriality is.

Extraterritoriality is the state of being exempted from the jurisdiction of local law, usually as the result of diplomatic negotiations. Historically, this applied to individuals. Extraterritoriality can also be applied to physical places, such as foreign embassies, military bases of foreign countries, or offices of the United Nations. The three most common cases recognized today internationally relate to the persons and belongings of foreign heads of state, the persons and belongings of ambassadors and other diplomats, and ships in foreign waters.

Extraterritoriality is often extended to friendly or allied militaries, particularly for the purposes of allowing that military to simply pass through one's territory.

It is distinguished from personal jurisdiction in the sense that extraterritoriality operates to the prejudice of local jurisdiction.



Would you be for something similar for the State of Israel on the extraterritoriality aspect? Do you support the head of the Order being appointed by the Pope and having certain rights within the UN?

warmonger1981 wrote:How do you feel about the status of Knights of Malta? Here's a rundown.

The Sovereign Military Order of Malta is headquartered in Rome, Italy, and is widely considered a sovereign subject of international law.[7]
With its unique history and unusual present circumstances, the exact status of the Order in international law has been the subject of debate. It describes itself as a "sovereign subject of international law." Its two headquarters in Rome — the Palazzo Malta in Via dei Condotti 68, where the Grand Master resides and Government Bodies meet, and the Villa del Priorato di Malta on the Aventine, which hosts the Grand Priory of Rome — Fort St. Angelo on the island of Malta, the Embassy of the Order to Holy See and the Embassy of the Order to Italy have all been granted extraterritoriality.[21]

Unlike the Holy See, however, which is sovereign over Vatican City and thus has clear territorial separation of its sovereign area and that of Italy, SMOM has had no territory since the loss of the island of Malta in 1798, other than only those current properties with extraterritoriality listed above. Italy recognizes, in addition to extraterritoriality, the exercise by SMOM of all the prerogatives of sovereignty in its headquarters. Therefore, Italian sovereignty and SMOM sovereignty uniquely coexist without overlapping.[22] The United Nations does not classify it as a "non-member state" or "intergovernmental organization" but as one of the "other entities having received a standing invitation to participate as observers."[23] For instance, while the International Telecommunication Union has granted radio identification prefixes to such quasi-sovereign jurisdictions as the United Nations and the Palestinian Authority, SMOM has never received one.
Wengler—a German professor of international law—addresses this point in his book Völkerrecht (1964), and rejects the notion that recognition of the Order by some states can make it a subject of international law. Conversely, professor Rebecca Wallace —writing more recently in her book International Law (1986)—explains that a sovereign entity does not have to be a country, and that SMOM is an example of this.[28] This position appears to be supported by the number of nations extending diplomatic relations to the Order, which more than doubled from 49 to 100 in the 20-year period to 2008.[29] In 1953, the Holy See decreed that the Order of Malta's quality as a sovereign institution is functional, to ensure the achievement of its purposes in the world, and that as a subject of international law, it enjoys certain powers, but not the entire set of powers of sovereignty "in the full sense of the word."[30] On 24 June 1961, Pope John XXIII approved the Constitutional Charter, which contains the most solemn reaffirmations of the sovereignty of the Order. Article 1 affirms that "the Order is a legal entity formally approved by the Holy See. It has the quality of a subject of international law." Article 3 states that "the intimate connection existing between the two qualities of a religious order and a sovereign order do not oppose the autonomy of the order in the exercise of its sovereignty and prerogatives inherent to it as a subject of international law in relation to States."[31]

SMOM has formal diplomatic relations with 105 states[32] and has official relations with another six countries and the European Union. Additionally it has relations with the International Committee of the Red Cross and a number of international organizations, including observer status at the UN and some of the specialized agencies.[33] Its international nature is useful in enabling it to pursue its humanitarian activities without being seen as an operative of any particular nation. Its sovereignty is also expressed in the issuance of passports, licence plates,[34] stamps,[35] and coins.[36]

The supreme head of the Order is the Grand Master, who is elected for life by the Council Complete of State, holds the precedence of a cardinal of the Church since 1630 and received the rank of Reichsfürst (Prince of the Holy Roman Empire) in 1607.

Sourced from Wikipedia.



Just in case you don't know what Extraterritoriality is.

Extraterritoriality is the state of being exempted from the jurisdiction of local law, usually as the result of diplomatic negotiations. Historically, this applied to individuals. Extraterritoriality can also be applied to physical places, such as foreign embassies, military bases of foreign countries, or offices of the United Nations. The three most common cases recognized today internationally relate to the persons and belongings of foreign heads of state, the persons and belongings of ambassadors and other diplomats, and ships in foreign waters.

Extraterritoriality is often extended to friendly or allied militaries, particularly for the purposes of allowing that military to simply pass through one's territory.

It is distinguished from personal jurisdiction in the sense that extraterritoriality operates to the prejudice of local jurisdiction.



Would you be for something similar for the State of Israel on the extraterritoriality aspect? Do you support the head of the Order being appointed by the Pope and having certain rights within the UN?

Huh?

saxitoxin wrote:

warmonger1981 wrote:How do you feel about the status of Knights of Malta? Here's a rundown.

The Sovereign Military Order of Malta is headquartered in Rome, Italy, and is widely considered a sovereign subject of international law.[7]
With its unique history and unusual present circumstances, the exact status of the Order in international law has been the subject of debate. It describes itself as a "sovereign subject of international law." Its two headquarters in Rome — the Palazzo Malta in Via dei Condotti 68, where the Grand Master resides and Government Bodies meet, and the Villa del Priorato di Malta on the Aventine, which hosts the Grand Priory of Rome — Fort St. Angelo on the island of Malta, the Embassy of the Order to Holy See and the Embassy of the Order to Italy have all been granted extraterritoriality.[21]

Unlike the Holy See, however, which is sovereign over Vatican City and thus has clear territorial separation of its sovereign area and that of Italy, SMOM has had no territory since the loss of the island of Malta in 1798, other than only those current properties with extraterritoriality listed above. Italy recognizes, in addition to extraterritoriality, the exercise by SMOM of all the prerogatives of sovereignty in its headquarters. Therefore, Italian sovereignty and SMOM sovereignty uniquely coexist without overlapping.[22] The United Nations does not classify it as a "non-member state" or "intergovernmental organization" but as one of the "other entities having received a standing invitation to participate as observers."[23] For instance, while the International Telecommunication Union has granted radio identification prefixes to such quasi-sovereign jurisdictions as the United Nations and the Palestinian Authority, SMOM has never received one.
Wengler—a German professor of international law—addresses this point in his book Völkerrecht (1964), and rejects the notion that recognition of the Order by some states can make it a subject of international law. Conversely, professor Rebecca Wallace —writing more recently in her book International Law (1986)—explains that a sovereign entity does not have to be a country, and that SMOM is an example of this.[28] This position appears to be supported by the number of nations extending diplomatic relations to the Order, which more than doubled from 49 to 100 in the 20-year period to 2008.[29] In 1953, the Holy See decreed that the Order of Malta's quality as a sovereign institution is functional, to ensure the achievement of its purposes in the world, and that as a subject of international law, it enjoys certain powers, but not the entire set of powers of sovereignty "in the full sense of the word."[30] On 24 June 1961, Pope John XXIII approved the Constitutional Charter, which contains the most solemn reaffirmations of the sovereignty of the Order. Article 1 affirms that "the Order is a legal entity formally approved by the Holy See. It has the quality of a subject of international law." Article 3 states that "the intimate connection existing between the two qualities of a religious order and a sovereign order do not oppose the autonomy of the order in the exercise of its sovereignty and prerogatives inherent to it as a subject of international law in relation to States."[31]

SMOM has formal diplomatic relations with 105 states[32] and has official relations with another six countries and the European Union. Additionally it has relations with the International Committee of the Red Cross and a number of international organizations, including observer status at the UN and some of the specialized agencies.[33] Its international nature is useful in enabling it to pursue its humanitarian activities without being seen as an operative of any particular nation. Its sovereignty is also expressed in the issuance of passports, licence plates,[34] stamps,[35] and coins.[36]

The supreme head of the Order is the Grand Master, who is elected for life by the Council Complete of State, holds the precedence of a cardinal of the Church since 1630 and received the rank of Reichsfürst (Prince of the Holy Roman Empire) in 1607.

Sourced from Wikipedia.



Just in case you don't know what Extraterritoriality is.

Extraterritoriality is the state of being exempted from the jurisdiction of local law, usually as the result of diplomatic negotiations. Historically, this applied to individuals. Extraterritoriality can also be applied to physical places, such as foreign embassies, military bases of foreign countries, or offices of the United Nations. The three most common cases recognized today internationally relate to the persons and belongings of foreign heads of state, the persons and belongings of ambassadors and other diplomats, and ships in foreign waters.

Extraterritoriality is often extended to friendly or allied militaries, particularly for the purposes of allowing that military to simply pass through one's territory.

It is distinguished from personal jurisdiction in the sense that extraterritoriality operates to the prejudice of local jurisdiction.



Would you be for something similar for the State of Israel on the extraterritoriality aspect? Do you support the head of the Order being appointed by the Pope and having certain rights within the UN?

Huh?

Huh? Is it possible to say so much and yet say nothing?

GREAT NEWS!

The European Union has ordered all products manufactured in illegal Zionist hives receive a special mark before they can be imported to any EU state. The marks will allow consumers to quickly and easily identify which products are Zionist -

The Zionists immediately began howling, as they are wont to do:

Israeli officials, briefed that the decision was coming, were quick to denounce it. The foreign ministry said it was a political move designed to pressure Israel over its settlements policy. It summoned the EU ambassador to Israel.

Israel's foreign ministry said the move singled Israel out and was potentially harmful to long-standing peace efforts.

"We regret that the EU has chosen, for political reasons, to take such an exceptional and discriminatory step, inspired by the boycott movement," it said in a statement.

"Product labeling will strengthen the radical elements advocating a boycott against Israel and denying Israel’s right to exist, contradicting positions the EU publicly opposes."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/ ... q2I0fV8.99

Meanwhile, Connecticut's largest labor union, Connecticut AFL-CIO Labor Council, has endorsed an unrestricted blockade and economic boycott of the Enemy!

HEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Connecticut AFL-CIO and its affiliates call upon the national AFL-CIO:

1. to demand that our Government diligently apply all diplomatic and economic tools to bring an end to the Israeli occupation of Palestine; and

2. to adopt the strategy of Boycott Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) in connection with companies and investments profiting from or complicit in human rights violations arising from the occupation of the Palestinian Territories by the state of Israel, and to urge its affiliates and related pension and annuity funds to adopt similar strategies;

http://uslaboragainstwar.org/Article/74 ... and-israel

Progressive, pro-peace people stand united in opposition to Isra-hell!